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  • - It is currently exam result season in the UK.

  • A time of high emotions.

  • Maybe you got the results you were expecting.

  • Maybe you did far better than you were expecting.

  • Or maybe you only made it through to one exam

  • before paralyzing your arms, being rushed into hospital,

  • and told by a consultant that you really

  • couldn't continue with your exams

  • because it would probably kill you.

  • Relatable content, huh?

  • Subscribe if you haven't already.

  • There are lots of amazing stories on YouTube

  • about people studying really hard

  • and achieving amazing grades.

  • I recently made friends with some absolutely

  • lovely StudyTubers, Eve, Jack, Ruby, and Jade

  • who do a podcast together called The Wooden Spoon.

  • And who are delightful human beings.

  • What I'm not seeing is a lot of content about

  • what happens when things go really wrong

  • and how you can actually recover from that.

  • I mean, not everyone has a smooth journey in education

  • or even in life and it's important

  • that those of us who didn't complete every year

  • like we were supposed to or took a very winding path

  • to where we wanted to be or even just

  • dropped out and went off to do something else

  • know that we're not alone.

  • So I sat down with my wife Claudia

  • who had an academic journey that looked like this.

  • (light music)

  • Compared to mine which took like this (airplane rumbling).

  • To have a conversation about how we find

  • the happy places that we're in today.

  • I really want you to share your stories

  • in the comments as well and if you're feeling like,

  • oh, no, no one else has ever been in my position before,

  • I can guarantee you that someone else

  • will probably be able to relate.

  • Don't be shy and if you see someone who needs

  • some kind words, please go share a little love at them.

  • Remember, you are not alone and having a wonky education

  • is not the end of the world.

  • You will find your way.

  • So, on with the conversation.

  • Hi, wife. - Hi, wife.

  • - So I decided that we should have a little chat

  • about exam results because we have

  • incredibly different life histories

  • when it comes to school and results.

  • Because how many schools did you go to?

  • - Two.

  • - How many schools did I go to?

  • - Seven. - Yeah.

  • I apologize, also, for my voice.

  • I am very ill but.

  • So, I think it's really important to talk about

  • because a lot of the stuff around exam season

  • and people getting results and it's all like,

  • wow, amazing, how exciting!

  • You know, the kids, they always take pictures of

  • on exam results date and they do the jump

  • because everyone has to have a jump photo

  • for some reason. - Oh, I see, yeah.

  • Like, woo-hoo, free! - I bet you were

  • in a jump photo. - No, I was not.

  • - I bet someone would have wanted

  • to put you in a jump photo.

  • - Probably, seeing that I was

  • probably one of the only ethnic of the--

  • (Jessica laughs) Whites in the school.

  • I was often in the school catalog

  • for that little bit of representation.

  • - Just bring you out.

  • Oh, it's Christmas. - Yeah.

  • - Wait, make her Mary.

  • - No, I think I did feature-- - We're diverse.

  • - I think I actually featured on the front cover.

  • - Sure, Surrey's a diverse place.

  • They want you to know it.

  • - Yeah.

  • Talking of which, that is one of the reason

  • why my sister and I got sent to a nice, little

  • private primary school.

  • Yeah, we were like, why did you send us

  • to a private primary school?

  • Like what is the point of spending money

  • on primary education, you know?

  • Especially when you don't have that much money.

  • Dad was like, "Oh, look, well, Dad was bullied

  • "when he was little." - Yeah.

  • - And he just thought, he grew up in Dover

  • and anyone who was not white was picked on

  • 'cause it was quite racist in his day.

  • - This story needs to point out

  • that your dad is the white parent though.

  • - Yeah, my dad is white, yeah.

  • He was bullied for being a boff,

  • I guess. - Aw.

  • - I mean, maybe he wasn't bullied,

  • but he always, I don't know, I just assume he was.

  • (both laughing)

  • He said that was the main reason

  • he sent me and my sister to a primary school

  • because he thought the class sizes are smaller,

  • the teachers are less likely to

  • pick on the kids in that sense

  • and also the other kids would then less likely pick on.

  • - So, then, would you say you had a pretty smooth

  • educational history?

  • Like you went to primary school,

  • you just changed to a secondary school.

  • - Yeah.

  • - They taught you stuff.

  • - Yeah, I did the-- - You passed some tests.

  • - Yeah, so-- - Do you even remember?

  • What were your exam results?

  • - For what? - GCSEs, what did you get?

  • - Well, let's start earlier.

  • For, what are they called?

  • - [Both] SATs.

  • - Quick explainer for those of you who aren't British,

  • we go to primary school from the age of five to 11

  • and secondary school from 11 to 18.

  • We take SATs at the end of primary school,

  • that's 11 years old, and at the end of the first

  • three years of secondary school.

  • So that's 14 years old.

  • There are then two years of working towards

  • our GCSE exams from 14 to 16

  • where you'll do between five to 10 subjects

  • followed by two years of A level exams,

  • that's 16 to 18, where you generally narrow down

  • to three or four subjects.

  • - For SATs, I think I got, what is it,

  • like, five, five, six or something?

  • Is that even a thing? - You got to do six?

  • You got to the six paper? - Yeah.

  • - They didn't have that in my school.

  • - I think it was like five, five, six.

  • I think six was in science

  • and the five and five were in math and English.

  • Is that how it worked, I can't remember.

  • This is a long time ago. - Science, what?

  • - I swear we did the science-- - This was a while ago.

  • - I might be making this up.

  • I was only 10 or 11 years old.

  • Yeah, so I might not have got a five in maths

  • 'cause that maths was pretty bad.

  • - Your maths is terrible.

  • - My maths has got worse with age.

  • I actually was gonna do maths a F,

  • a S level, can you remember AS levels?

  • - Yeah, but also--

  • - Yeah, I was doing maths and statistics

  • and I started to do that, God knows why,

  • and there was only three other girls

  • because, again, I went to a very good

  • secondary private school

  • where there weren't many people in the school.

  • Anyway, there were only three other girls

  • doing this class. - Yeah.

  • - And the teacher was like, I've kinda diverted,

  • I've gone on a bit of a tangent here.

  • And they were like, "Okay, so to warm you up

  • "after the school holidays, we're gonna do some GCSE level,"

  • what are they called?

  • Equal? - Equations.

  • - Yeah, equations (laughs).

  • There's a name for them, though.

  • That type that you find out what the,

  • you have to prove what the answer is.

  • Some apparently very simple GCSE level equations

  • and, anyway, I realized at the end of this class that

  • I needed to not be in this class

  • (Jessica laughs) because

  • I was on question three and everyone else

  • was on question 16, 17.

  • One of my proudest moments was that

  • I made a decision for myself.

  • I know.

  • 'Cause my education was very much spoon fed.

  • I went down to the staff room, knocked on the door,

  • and said, "I need to speak to the head of year."

  • And she was like, "Okay," and, anyway,

  • I was like, "Look, I've made a wrong choice.

  • "I don't want to do maths statistics.

  • "Can I change to a different subject?"

  • And she's like, "What do you want to change to?"

  • And I was like, "English Literature."

  • Okay, well, let's just see if it works with your time table

  • and luckily it did. - Okay.

  • - And then that was that. - Excellent.

  • - The reason I did maths statistics, actually,

  • was because the careers advisor at school told me

  • if I wanted to be an architect,

  • which I did at the time of being 16 years old,

  • that I would have to have maths.

  • 'Cause then I went to university

  • and I met some architectural students,

  • they were like, "No, you just needed to have

  • "something that had maths in it,

  • "like chemistry or physics would have been fine."

  • I was like, "I was frickin' doing chemistry and physics."

  • This is a lesson to be learned.

  • Don't listen to careers advisors

  • unless yours is particularly good.

  • - Yeah, actually, fill out your own path.

  • You know yourself best. - Yeah.

  • Who can dictate, like,

  • they're a careers advisor at school, for God's sake.

  • They haven't really got--

  • - Who's met you for 20 minutes.

  • - They haven't really got that far in life and they're--

  • (Jessica laughs) And then they're telling--

  • - They've not gone far, don't listen to that.

  • - And then they're telling you you need this subject

  • or you can't fulfill your dream job.

  • And then if you can't do that subject

  • like I was with maths, I was like,

  • well, that's it, I can't be an architect now.

  • - And it's not true. - It wasn't true.

  • - Oh, gosh. - Anyway, where were we?

  • - Your exams, did you pretty much get

  • everything that they predicted?

  • - Pretty much, I mean, yeah.

  • I did nine in total.

  • I got one B.

  • I got three A stars, five As.

  • - (laughs) Yes. - Yeah, one B.

  • - That makes nine, that makes nine.

  • - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Wow, wow.

  • - Guess what I got a B in?

  • - French? - No, but fair enough.

  • History.

  • - And then were your A levels? - And then A levels,

  • well, AS level, I did English Literature

  • and Critical Thinking.

  • I got an A, God, I can't remember.

  • This is the point.

  • - This is the point of this video, people.

  • If it feels like it matters so much right now,

  • but I swear to you, it doesn't.

  • Wait 'til you hear my story, though.

  • - And then A levels, I got A, A, B.

  • - Lovely. - And I got B in chemistry.

  • No, sorry, it was two marks off an A,

  • so I sent it back to be remarked.

  • You have to pay to get it remarked.

  • It was like 50 quid or something.

  • And then they sent it back one mark off on A.

  • I was like, screw you!

  • I should have slipped an extra 50 quid into that envelope.

  • - You got to university.

  • - Got to university.

  • - Got to do the thing you wanted to do.

  • Graduated. - Yeah.

  • - With a-- - 2:1.

  • - 2:1, did another course at university.

  • - Yeah.

  • - Graduated with a? - A honors.

  • - Lovely.

  • (both laughing)

  • - Yeah, well, with dentistry,

  • you don't get 2:1 or first. - Oh, you don't?

  • - You can't really be a first dentist.

  • Third dentist. - You're an okay dentist.

  • - Yeah, no, I just passed--

  • - You pass or you-- - You pass with honors

  • in that it's honors if you have had distinction and merit

  • like throughout each year.

  • - But you also didn't take any breaks

  • between your education at all.

  • - Oh my God, no.

  • I was at university for seven years.

  • That's the same amount of time I was at high school.

  • - And you didn't take a gap year after school either.

  • - No.

  • Or after university.

  • - So you were in full-time education until you were 25.

  • - Yeah.

  • - And then you started working full-time.

  • - On hindsight, I wish I had had a gap year.

  • And my mum actually said to me,

  • "I think a gap year would have been good for you."

  • 'Cause I did our A level and I actually think

  • I would have really benefited from doing

  • an art foundation year rather than being like

  • I've got to go and do a valid, worthy degree.

  • - It has always left you with that burning passion

  • of the question unanswered.

  • What if?

  • - I was very much like that in my mid-20s, when you met me.

  • - The first three years of our relationship.

  • - Yeah.

  • But I think-- - I need to find my passion.

  • - And now I'm over that. (Jessica laughs)

  • Well, I've kind of moved more towards photography now.

  • - Yeah, which is an art. - Because that's useful

  • to you and it's less messy. - And it's fun.

  • - Yeah.

  • It's either photography or stone carving.

  • It's really clean or really, really messy.

  • - My journey in education

  • was perhaps not as smooth.

  • Not quite, not quite the same.

  • I was a very ill and sickly child.

  • I was forever, there was something wrong with me,

  • whether it was a cold or I had injured myself

  • which was near constant.

  • That was what adults like to call a hypochondriac

  • and what I like to call doing my goddamn best.

  • But I was very good at school.

  • That's the one thing I was very good at.

  • I was quite a bright little child

  • and I really enjoyed school,

  • I really enjoyed learning things.

  • I used to love reading.

  • At one point, I thought I had hyperlexia

  • which is where you have to constantly be reading

  • because I just wanted to know everything about everything.

  • Every time there were words, I just had to read them.

  • But, unfortunately, physically,

  • school was a bit of a struggle

  • and throughout my primary school years,

  • I probably went to school only four days a week

  • because I just physically, by Friday was like no.

  • - You told me a different version of that story.

  • You told me that your mother didn't believe in

  • primary school education particularly

  • and took you out to go to live drawing classes on Fridays.

  • - Yeah, she did.

  • No, I mean, by Friday I was like,

  • I'm tired, I don't want to go to school

  • and she was like, "Okay, let's go to live drawing."

  • - Okay, well, to be honest, that's probably quite good.

  • You are very good at drawing now.

  • - Oh, yeah. - And maybe that's why

  • you got a love for the female form.

  • - Yes, I became a lesbian thanks to live drawing classes.

  • See if it works for you.

  • And then when it came time for secondary school,

  • I went to a lovely Quaker school

  • that was also a private school in Somerset.

  • Quaker values, as I explained before,

  • are very much about equality and openness

  • and it was just a really good learning environment for me

  • but also, physically, was quite beneficial

  • in that we weren't carrying around bags

  • with loads of books in because

  • our books were kept in each classroom and

  • our teachers were very kind

  • and if I was like, "I am injured,"

  • they would allow me to sit down.

  • And I went to that school for three years and

  • it was good for my education, I'd say.

  • I was pretty smart, smart cookie.

  • - Yeah. - Yeah.

  • - You are a smart cookie. - Thank you.

  • Got to be talking to in the class and things.

  • I'm not just bragging, by the way.

  • There's an awful downfall coming.

  • I'm just bigging myself up before it does.

  • So, I did generally quite well

  • in all my end of year quizzes.

  • They predicted that I was gonna do very well--

  • - You were basically a shining star

  • heading in the right direction.

  • - Yes, yes.

  • And then, unfortunately, I had to change schools.

  • Right before the start of my GCSEs, which was not great.

  • And I went to an inner city comprehensive school

  • in Bristol, which was very large, and

  • not what I was used to.

  • Bit of a soft child.

  • Bit of a soft human, to be honest.

  • - Yeah.

  • - Never really hardened up.

  • I think my parents idea was to toughen me up

  • for the real world and instead I was like,

  • I'm a marshmallow.

  • And so I really struggled throughout the school year.

  • Physically, as well.

  • It was the kind of school where

  • we weren't allowed to go inside at lunch time.

  • We had to be outside, even if it was snowing.

  • And eat a little cold-packed lunch.

  • - Why, why couldn't you be inside?

  • Was it K through all? - 'Cause they thought

  • we'd do bad things.

  • - Was there no dining hall? - Yeah.

  • - Why can't you eat in there?

  • - Because you can't eat in there if you have a packed lunch.

  • - Oh, they're weird. - I know.

  • But, yeah, even after you've eaten,

  • you're then supposed to go outside

  • and hang around outside. - I mean,

  • they would do that at my school as well.

  • But only really forced the year seven and eights outside.

  • - Probably not when it was snowing.

  • - No, I mean it was, it was just when it was a nice day.

  • It was like, go out and get some vitamin D, girls.

  • - Yeah, we had to sit outside in the rain

  • while it poured down with rain.

  • - Weird.

  • - And it was a physically very demanding school

  • because the campus was quite large and

  • I had to take all my books with me.

  • For some reason, we all had books that big for every class

  • and you had to carry them with you at all times.

  • It was just a real struggle for me

  • to be able to learn anything because

  • it was physically so demanding of me.

  • And I was just getting kind of iller, and iller, and iller

  • and no one knew that anything was wrong with me.

  • By the time it actually came to GCSEs,

  • I think I was so exhausted from the,

  • I don't even remember them.

  • I remember at the time, being like, wow.

  • Everything is swimming (laughs).

  • I feel so bad.

  • That wasn't great.

  • And in my old school, they predicated

  • that for my GCSEs, I was going to get all A stars and As.

  • And in the end, I managed to scrape together

  • three As, two Bs, two Cs, and two Ds.

  • - What did you get Ds in?

  • - French and something else. - Fair enough.

  • I mean, you can't hear, so French would be a struggle.

  • - No, yeah, and I was super deaf as well.

  • - Yeah. - And no one noticed.

  • That was a thing.

  • So I would sit, I'd go,

  • "Can I sit at the front of the class, please?

  • "Because I can't understand what's going on."

  • The teacher would be like, "Sure, sit in the front row."

  • And then everyone behind me would be yelling

  • and I'd be trying to work out

  • what the hell this teacher was saying.

  • And I thought it was just me

  • and I was unable to concentrate, but no.

  • Plot twist, I was deaf.

  • - And the biggest thing that happened to me was that

  • I said, "I don't want to do maths stats

  • "and I wanted to do English Literature."

  • (laughs) And you're like,

  • yeah, my whole life was medical compromise problems.

  • - Oh, I've not even finished.

  • - Okay.

  • - So those are my GCSE results.

  • Not good, I also got them while I was on holiday in Italy,

  • in a hospital, of course,

  • because I tore the ligament in my foot.

  • So when I returned for sick form,

  • I was actually on crutches for six months,

  • which was pretty difficult.

  • And then at the end of that year,

  • as I was about to take my very first AS exams,

  • I lent on my arm while I was writing

  • and paralyzed both of my arms for a year and a half.

  • And then I went to hospital and had a medical procedure

  • that went wrong. - I'm glad you're just

  • laughing about this. - And then I dehydrated

  • my brain and then it took two years.

  • - You didn't dehydrate your brain.

  • The doctor that did the lumbar puncture--

  • - Thank you. - Dehydrated your brain.

  • - That's very kind of you.

  • No, I didn't dehydrate my brain.

  • - She then also went a bit brain dead.

  • - Yeah. - I know some of it.

  • - I genuinely have brain damage because of that incident.

  • Point is, though, I begged the doctor

  • to let me go back and take my damn exams!

  • And he was like, "It will literally kill you.

  • "No, I'm gonna put you back a year at school."

  • - That's one of the biggest fears,

  • I think, of a lot of people, is to be put back a year

  • during education. - Yeah.

  • Yeah, well, it gets worse.

  • So (laughs) I got put back a year.

  • That was the AS level year. - Yeah, yeah.

  • - So I had to do it again.

  • But I was too ill to actually go into school at all, ever.

  • So, one of my teachers who just happened to be very kind

  • would occasionally come to my house and talk to me

  • and that was my classical civilizations A level,

  • which means that I now know a lot of stuff about Agamemnon.

  • But, unfortunately, was not able to take

  • any of my other classes.

  • So at the end of the year, I had to take the exams again,

  • still with paralyzed arms.

  • I was still actually too ill to lift my head

  • or be near light, so I had to be in a tiny, dark room

  • in my school, in the dark, so lying down on the floor,

  • with one of the school receptionists sat

  • with her computer, typing away, as I dictated to her.

  • Dictation means I spoke aloud and then she wrote it down.

  • So that's how I did all of my exams that year.

  • And then, the next year, because I'd been put back a year,

  • I was now in the A2 year.

  • And I had to, again, try and struggle through that year.

  • Didn't work out so well.

  • Went to hospital for quite a few months

  • during that year, actually.

  • That year was a bit of a mess.

  • We'll skip over it.

  • And then we come to the next year,

  • by which time, I'm what, 19?

  • I'm two years behind, it's not good.

  • I decided at the poor clutch of A levels that I had

  • needed to be added to because

  • I really wanted to go to university.

  • It was my burning desire.

  • I was going to go to university

  • and I was going to have a life,

  • which is quite a big dream for someone

  • who literally, for two years,

  • didn't really leave their bed.

  • I wrote a lot of fanfiction, though.

  • - I have yet to see this fanfiction.

  • - You'll never get to see it.

  • So, during that last year, I decided

  • that I would take English Literature.

  • Two years compressed into one year

  • because it was something that I could teach myself at home

  • and at the end of that year,

  • I took both of the English Literature exams.

  • Actually, I say both, there are probably six of them.

  • So, in the end, I managed to come out with four A levels.

  • - Well done. - Thank you.

  • - There was three As and a B.

  • And it took me four years. - That's very impressive.

  • - And I almost died.

  • But it happened. - Yeah.

  • - And then I managed to talk my way into a university.

  • - Yeah.

  • Which you spent also seven years at.

  • - Yeah, which I spent seven years at.

  • Wait, no, I didn't, I spent five years.

  • - Oh, okay, five years. - I spent five years

  • at university because I did the first year of university,

  • that was a stupid idea, why did I think

  • you could go into full-- - Anyway, when I met you--

  • - Almost died, and then-- - You were just graduating.

  • - Yes. - Yeah.

  • Film and what was it?

  • Film and studies? - Film and Screen Studies.

  • - Yeah.

  • - So now I have a job that I absolutely love.

  • And I really enjoy doing.

  • And the thing is, whether you have

  • a very simple educational pathway

  • or a very complex one, where it all goes a bit wrong

  • for a while and you kind of have to do it yourself,

  • still, there will be a happy ending waiting for you.

  • So do not panic if the exam results

  • that you have just received are not what you were hoping.

  • - Whatever your dream is,

  • you'll find a way to get there.

  • You don't need exam results to, you know,

  • get you to achieve that.

  • - Yes.

  • - It's not about the grades, it's about your mindset,

  • on how you learn.

  • That's what is more important,

  • that's what actually, as you get older,

  • and into higher education, that's what they're looking for.

  • - Persevere, my friends.

  • It is not the end of the world.

  • - Yeah. - Buh-bye friends.

  • - Buh-bye. - Mwah.

  • I hope you were able to take something from this video

  • and that it helped you feel better

  • and less alone if you too had a wonky education.

  • Please do forgive us if we rambled a bit.

  • I was not feeling my best, as you can tell from the voice.

  • My next video will be about migraines,

  • but I'd love to continue the conversation about schooling

  • when you're dealing with a disability or a chronic illness

  • and make a video of maybe some tips

  • on how I made it through alive.

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