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  • so welcome, everyone.

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  • And today we're so excited to talk to the incredible Bobby Brown.

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  • My name's Kale and I am a creative, pre sort master class.

  • And I've had the pleasure of producing Bobby's class alongside her in an incredible team joining us today and I'm sure she needs no introduction is Bobby Brown, a world renowned makeup artist, best selling author and serial entrepreneur.

  • Bobby, thank you so much for being with us today.

  • Oh, it's so nice.

  • Thank you so much for talking to me, of course.

  • And you know, before we just jump in, I wanted to say that, you know, I'm not someone who wears makeup.

  • And so, in working on your class, I had to put myself in the shoes of the students who would be watching, and I got to learn from you.

  • And I think that I got to see how much about makeup is about choice.

  • You know, you get to decide how much is just right for you, and there's so many different styles out there.

  • But your style is really simple, right?

  • Well, my style is is so much about me because I really do believe that people are beautiful without makeup, and makeup is a way to help you feel more beautiful.

  • Help you feel confident.

  • I am not someone that likes to cover up and change people's faces.

  • I like to embrace and use.

  • Makeup is away just to make people look healthier, and ultimately that makes you feel better, right?

  • And that's so important right now.

  • I mean, the reality is that so many people are working from home at the moment, and that means that people are either alone or with their families.

  • And so I was wondering, and I think this is a great place for us to really start is why should people be wearing makeup right now?

  • What can I do for us?

  • Well, if you think about it, some people wear makeup because other, you know, for other people, I've always worn makeup for myself.

  • For some reason, it instantly makes me feel better.

  • And clearly I don't wear a lot.

  • I mean, I'm doing this live.

  • I don't know how many thousands of people are watching, and I really didn't put a lot on.

  • But I put just enough on that.

  • I felt awake.

  • I felt healthier.

  • And for me, it's so much about moisture, how much moisture I put on my face and a little bit of blush that it makes a big difference.

  • How I feel.

  • It's I look in the mirror once, and then I'm done.

  • But I carry those feelings with me all day.

  • Yeah, that I think that spot on, and I think it's so easy to look in the mirror.

  • And I know in my case the things I maybe don't like about myself for making me feel secure.

  • Some of the first things I see, Um, and I think using makeup as a tool to Canada decide for myself.

  • What's gonna make me feel better is really powerful and empowering.

  • Well, us women are lucky because we could do things like color our hair we could, which I'll get into in a second.

  • That's probably the worst part of Ah, you know, staying home is missing my hairdresser.

  • But, you know, we could put concealer on under our eyes.

  • We could put blush on.

  • You could throw lips to gone.

  • And yes, if you're someone that likes to Contour believes that you look better.

  • You can you can do whatever you want with it.

  • It's makeup, and it just instantly lifts your mood and makes you feel better.

  • Whether you're doing a zoom, call it home.

  • Whether you are just by yourself in your apartment, it's amazing what a little bit does.

  • Even putting on a little teeny airings makes the difference, right?

  • You know, I'm so glad that you referenced our zoom call and we sent down an alert that we would be hosting this live session with you to give people a chance to submit their own questions.

  • And we received so many questions and one master cults number and rolled in your class.

  • And Cathy had a really great one.

  • And she said that you know, so many of our meetings, events and even times with friends were being moved online right now.

  • And so she wanted to ask you, you know, what could we be doing to look our best on camera?

  • Well, I've been doing a lot of zoom calls I'm on, you know, some meetings with some very young, beautiful people that just seemed tohave.

  • Wake up in the morning and the hair just kind of falls in place and others have hair in a bun and a ponytail and craziness.

  • And it's actually, you know, I think a very calming time because it's everyone could be riel.

  • So maybe you see people dressed up and now everyone is at home.

  • Sometimes there's babies screaming.

  • There's wild hair, but you know what, do what makes you comfortable.

  • I am wearing my Lululemon tights and I'm wearing a navy sweater.

  • I always wear navy swear people think I were black, but I wear navy and as faras makeup I have moisturizer on.

  • I have a little concealer under my eyes.

  • I have some bronzer on my face and lip, and I usually do my eyebrows in a little bit of mascara and that's it.

  • You know, that's it.

  • But when you guys shot me, I had Hannah and Susanna doing my makeup for camera.

  • It was way more makeup, but for Zoom, you don't need a CE much.

  • And how long did your routine take you today?

  • 02 seconds.

  • So I'm gonna just show you a couple things now, probably the most important thing I have is this brown shadow that I'm not, you know, talking about brands right now.

  • But if you are a woman with dark hair of a certain age, this is the most amazing thing.

  • Because guess what?

  • You could just go.

  • And when you open up the zoom, you see it and you could just go fill in your grey.

  • Your part?

  • It comes in all different colors.

  • So and you can also use it.

  • His eye shadow, by the way.

  • And then when I'm doing my makeup and it just doesn't look right, I mean, we've been in the house.

  • Sometimes I just take a little bit of a moisturizer, and the trick is you put it on your hands, and even after your makeup's done, you just kind of tap it on your cheek and I tap it all over, and it just kind of brings moisture to the skin.

  • And don't forget your neck.

  • And honestly, all I really use right now is either that ground shadow or a plain brown shadow, some kind of a bronzer, and I'm using right now kind of a pinky bronzer.

  • And the trick with the bronzer guys is when you put it on blow, and when you put it on, start with your neck, do a little bit, smile a little on your forehead and that when you're doing your own blush, the trick is look in the mirror and just lend it in because you want it to look like it's part of your skin.

  • And that's really important.

  • And honestly, that's all I d'oh!

  • I put a little bit of loss of my lips, and sometimes when I'm really feeling tire, I'll take something that has some luminosity in it, which is just a little bit of sheen.

  • I don't even know that you feel different I don't know if you look different, but you feel different and that is it, honestly.

  • But I'm also lucky.

  • I wear glasses, so it kind of hides a little bit.

  • Yeah, and you know what?

  • I think this is a great opportunity to really set the record straight about something.

  • I mean, there's a lot of myths about nude makeup that is, Stop that.

  • It's beige, and I don't think that's the case.

  • It's not nude makeup is actually the color of your skin.

  • But for some reason, new makeup became beige became washed out.

  • It became one beige for everybody.

  • And we are all different skin colors.

  • I mean, we don't care if you're, you know, black.

  • I don't care if you're Latino.

  • I don't care if you're white.

  • We are all a range of colors, and we've got to find colors that are right for our skin.

  • And for me, the trick to to everyday makeup is finding colors that are the color of your skin.

  • It's not that complicated once you find the right things, and I mean, I think a lot of people might wonder, How do you find those right colors?

  • Not the easiest thing.

  • I mean, for me, it's easy, but you have to make sure.

  • First of all, you start with your foundation if you wear foundation.

  • And I'd really love people during this time of being home, to try not to wear, foundation or even use foundation.

  • Just a spot.

  • Correct, too.

  • You know, if there's any kind of little darkness, you can cover it.

  • But the only way to wear foundation I cover this like crazy in the class is on the side of the face of a blends in and most foundation on the market, unfortunately, has some pinking in it, so it doesn't look natural, so you'll see it on on the side of the face.

  • And that's why sometimes people have to mix their own with a few different colors.

  • But once you put it on, it should just blend in, and I don't think he will need foundation all over present.

  • It just looks like you're wearing a mask, and that's just not my my opinion.

  • It's not the most beautiful aesthetic.

  • I love people skin.

  • I love healthy skin, right?

  • And I think you know, once you find the colors that work for you, you don't need a whole bunch of products because there are so many out there on the market.

  • Yes, I think you've shown in your in your class.

  • You kind of alluded to a number of different tricks like you mentioned already.

  • Using eye shadow in your hair when you need a touch up.

  • Um, can you share a few more?

  • Maybe tips and tricks like that?

  • Sure.

  • Um, you know, there's so many lipstick.

  • By the way, you could you buy a lipstick?

  • It might not be the right color for you.

  • You're You know, maybe you ordered a same color of friend had, but you could take it and you can share it down.

  • You could stain it on your lips.

  • You could rub your fingers together and put it on your cheeks for shoes.

  • We put it on people's eyes.

  • I don't recommend that to people because it sometimes could get in your eyes so it's might not feel good, but you can use things for different ways.

  • Bronzers.

  • I don't see why you can't put on your eyes.

  • You know, it's sometimes the color is too orange.

  • So depending what color you have, you could trust by it that way and in a pinch, guys, you could take even the bronzer, mix it with a little bit of gloss and stand it on your lips.

  • So you know, there's many things you could use different ways, right?

  • And I think, you know, in your class you have a really great lesson called the one minute makeup.

  • And I think you know that routine is helping people to get up on with a busy schedule on Goto work.

  • And for many right now, that kind of sense of routine looks very different.

  • And so I was wondering, What is your one minute makeup look like when you're working from home?

  • Well, my most people's one minute makeup is my 32nd makeup, so usually moisturizer goes on.

  • First, you throw in some concealer under your eyes, your foundation around your nose blush bronze air on your cheap mascara brushed your brows up, and you could use eye shadow for eyebrows.

  • You could use like a little teeny brush on brow and kind of you're done.

  • You know it's not.

  • It's not the smokey eye.

  • It's not the jeweled I.

  • It's not the you know.

  • It's not even eye shadow.

  • Really?

  • I mean, people don't realize if you put mascara on and filling your brows sometimes you don't need, you don't need.

  • I shall.

  • You can add a line or sometimes Hey, we have a visitor, You know, when we're alive and working from home, What happened?

  • He's got slows over there.

  • Some, you know, people walking around and shorts, boxer shorts.

  • That's all good and very real, just like you said.

  • And yeah, you know, I think a moment of the class and I really loved is actually in your introduction.

  • And you told a really personal story about falling in love with makeup by watching your mom.

  • And I was thinking a lot about how you have already said, I don't wear any makeup.

  • And I think a lot of men myself included, maybe have grown up and only seen the women in our lives wearing makeup.

  • And so I wanted to ask you, from your opinion, um, what could make up do for men?

  • And can you maybe share some grooming tips for us as well?

  • Sure.

  • Well, actually, some men do our makeup.

  • There are a lot of men that are makeup artists that always have makeup on they.

  • I think they got into makeup because they felt better once they put it on.

  • I personally don't like makeup on men's skin.

  • I don't think they need it.

  • But, you know, make up is one thing.

  • Skincare and grooming is another thing.

  • So guys have to grow and you know, you've got a trim your beard.

  • You've gotta maybe put some moisturizer and your beard.

  • They now of all things on the market.

  • You know that.

  • Take care of your beer, though.

  • You could probably just use what you use on your skin.

  • And men need a little bit of eye cream.

  • Men need moisturizer and, you know, grew me.

  • And that's and that's in my opinion, that's it.

  • I've been lucky enough to do men's makeup and grooming for some celebrities in my career is a makeup artist.

  • I mean, I even got to do, um, Pete Richards with the black smoky eye.

  • Uh, so I've been really lucky.

  • I've got I've got to work with men's makeup that are being photographed, but in real life, guys don't meet her.

  • Yeah, I think I Yeah, I really agree.

  • I mean it again.

  • It goes back to choice.

  • And what makes each person feel comfortable?

  • Um, you know, rock and roll, By the way.

  • Yeah, men wear makeup.

  • There's no question they do smoke, you know they'll do a pencil in their eye.

  • They'll do it.

  • It's fine.

  • I couldn't imagine going into a meeting and having a man greet me in a suit with make up on.

  • I don't think it would work or it would set me back.

  • And maybe it'll change.

  • Maybe I'm old fashioned that way, but I don't think it's necessary.

  • You know, I think that your class speaks to both everyday people who are wanting to use makeup, season me to feel better about themselves and also professional, inspiring makeup artists and a lot of artists right now.

  • Excuse me.

  • What?

  • I get a second water.

  • Yeah, basically, Right now, because so many people are stuck at home, they might not be able to physically go out and work.

  • And so I wanted to talk to you about what can these artists do?

  • We're looking for ways to work virtually well.

  • That is a really good question.

  • I am someone that supports my fellow artists.

  • And you know, I'm not even talking about getting paid at the moment.

  • But there are ways that artists could continue working, whether it's working on your instagram, putting your photos up there, working on your website.

  • So when things to get back to normal, you'll be ableto have something that you're really proud of certainly make connections on your social media.

  • And I actually spoke to a woman earlier there who works in a department store and is feeling, you know, such a loss that she's missing her customers.

  • I said, Why don't you go and do a class online for your customers and they could feel part they could follow along at home.

  • I mean, this is the time for all entrepreneurs out there to figure out how to reach people.

  • I don't offer something that people are not offering.

  • I I know physical therapists that are bringing their business online.

  • I know chefs that are having, you know, cooking lessons.

  • So I think that for an entrepreneurial makeup artist, you could probably figure out how to offer at a very, very affordable, reasonable price, one on one lessons that you could do or group lessons.

  • So you just gotta keep doing in things.

  • And, you know, we don't know if this is gonna be two weeks, two months, three months.

  • We have no idea.

  • But the more you keep occupied and busy and work on your your craft and you work on your positivity and your mood, it really is is gonna pay off in the long run.

  • And and I think that's a really great point.

  • And what are some things that you're doing to, really, you know, keep practicing your craft during this period.

  • Well, it's really funny.

  • I don't know what I'm so busy with, but I get phone calls every day about doing things online.

  • I, you know, an hour ago I did an online talk for someone.

  • I you know, I have magazines from Harper's Bazaar, toe L India that have reached out.

  • I've done, you know, with Havens Kitchen, which is a cooking school in New York.

  • We did an instagram live where I opened up my kitchen and they taught me howto cook my leftovers.

  • So there's so many things out there, and I'm watching a lot of things, you know, you're on your instagram and all of a sudden this one's going live that one's going live.

  • And you know there's a lot to learn right now.

  • And one of the things I am so grateful to be able to have produced a master class because a lot of people's now that hadn't heard about it are telling their texting me or e mailing your damning me, saying I finally have the time to see the master class and I learned so much.

  • So I think, you know, this is an amazing time for everyone out there to, you know, deep dive in those amazing master lessons.

  • Well, that's really special for me to hear, so thank you for that.

  • And I think your class is really something to be proud of it.

  • It shows people that there are options.

  • There are so many different ways to achieve so many different looks.

  • Um, and you really do break it down step by step.

  • Um, I'm basically a simple person, and I like to teach simple things to people and for those artists out there, or women out there that have a different aesthetic and like a different look, my my, my advice would be learned the basics.

  • And you know what relearn the basics.

  • I never stop learning.

  • There's always new ways for me to figure out how to do things.

  • There's new ways that I learned from other makeup artists out there.

  • There's other.

  • There's so many products on the market that are new and different that are really interesting.

  • And so it's really the time to go back, learn the basics and then, once you like, learn those basics, you can go apply anything you want in an experiment, you know, with with any of your looks.

  • I I showed some experimenting on her master class.

  • How to do you know how to just let yourself go?

  • I took it a little too far, but I We did it.

  • Yeah, and I think you know, to follow up on the side of experimentation for artists out there who are trying to build a portfolio.

  • What do you think makes a great portfolio for working makeup artist today, and how can they use this time of experimentation to make it even better?

  • Well, for me, a good portfolio was someone that shows diversity, someone that could take someone and make him look like they were absolutely no makeup.

  • Take someone in different Situations, Studio Daylight All you know, all the different ways that you could show people different light and show arrange Show an editorial side show.

  • You know what you did on a regular person?

  • What you did on a model and a portfolio should be.

  • You were someone that hasn't done magazine work.

  • Just I don't care if you do an instagram.

  • I don't care if you create an instagram of all your different looks, but show diversity and shows scale, you know, different skin colors different, you know, changing people's faces before and afters.

  • There's nothing I like better than a split screen with no makeup and with the Finnish makeup that really shows talent.

  • Yeah, and sore kind of everyday people that might have a preference, like I think, I believe you do to actually go into makeup counters and talk to people and try a different makeups.

  • If you're ordering makeup on line, do you have any tips for what to look forward to find high quality Mika?

  • Well, it's interesting because I'm sure many people, including myself, has seen things on websites or instagram and order it and then it arrives and it doesn't look so good.

  • So first of all, you could send it back.

  • Number one, but number two, you know it's unfortunately, it's hit or miss, but there's so many great things offered at reasonable prices.

  • Now there's really with new indie brands.

  • There's so many different price points.

  • You know, there's the high end price points that hopefully you'll get to go back into a department store in touch things or a Sephora on Alta, where you can actually touch things or re order what you like.

  • But basically you have to kind of, you know, know what Color Ranger in.

  • So it's not always that easy.

  • It's easier to toe order skin care, but there's nothing like being able to touch it, absolutely.

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  • Today we're here with Bobby Brown, Misty chick who?

  • Her classes teaching makeup and beauty.

  • So, Bobby, I want to take a moment to say you join the master class family in November.

  • What's been going on since then?

  • Outside of current circumstances.

  • But what have you been working on?

  • Well, my experience is doing the master class was, um absolutely unbelievable.

  • When I got the call from you guys and asked me to do it, I couldn't believe it.

  • And working with your teens, I've never worked with the production team like master class.

  • I will, I will say, And the amount of talent and people that came and honestly, we spent five days together and, you know, we're like old friends.

  • I mean, it's you deep dive you every single.

  • You know, Professor, every single teacher that does master class, you have to trust because you just throw yourself there and you just have to trust the people that are are creating this masterpiece basically.

  • So since I did the master class, my my social has skyrocketed.

  • You know, comments from people asking for more.

  • Um, you know, more lessons have been great, and so it's for me.

  • It's been really exciting because, yes, I am an entrepreneur.

  • Yes, I have different businesses, but basically, I'm a makeup artist.

  • What I love to do is be in a studio with my team, my posse, and create things.

  • So it's really given me this, you know, excitement to be able to continue my craft.

  • So I'm very grateful to master class.

  • Um, I'm also, you know, working on Evolution 18 which is a wellness brands.

  • And for me, beauty, health wellness is something that really works together because I've always had for the past 25 years.

  • The better you take care of yourself on the inside, the better you look on the outside and you won't need this much makeup, and you will just look better.

  • So for me, it goes hand in hand, right?

  • And can you tell us a little bit more?

  • About what is evolution 18 And what does it offer for people?

  • Evolution 18 is a wellness brand.

  • As I said it, they're supplements and they're everything from college in tow, highly ironic acid.

  • We even we even have a C v D gummy, which has been very helpful.

  • It's called Chill.

  • One of my favorite products.

  • We have another one called D Bloat, which actually says on the package helps you finish the little black dress.

  • So a lot of these things I kind of made for myself.

  • But I know that, you know, like like my women that I work with my customers myself, my friends, my sister.

  • We all share the same kind of issues and guys, too.

  • I mean, guys get bloated, too, if they had too much fun the night before.

  • So I just I put these really great ingredients together that really are supplements to a healthy diet because I am, uh, now I'm a health coach.

  • I went back to school to the Institute of Integrative Nutrition after I left the You know, the brand that I found it 3.5 years ago and I got my degree as a health coach, and I've kind of gone full circle from being in the beauty business to being in the wellness business, and I'm I feel like I'm back being a makeup artist, so I'm pretty happy.

  • I really love that, and I I think it's very true that makeup and helping wellness all go hand in hand, and I know, when we were on set together, we talked quite a bit about health and wellness, and it's it's sprinkled throughout your class.

  • But I know you talk a lot about how important staying, um, hydrated is exercise going outside, things that seem to be really hard for us to do right now for taking care of ourselves.

  • Um, do you have any thoughts on how we can be keeping ourselves healthy in this time?

  • Yes.

  • You know, it's funny One thing.

  • People always complain about his time.

  • I don't have time to exercise.

  • I don't have time to see my friends.

  • I don't have time.

  • I don't have time.

  • Well, this is the one time we actually have time.

  • So if you have not been drinking enough water start now.

  • I struggle with it.

  • I push myself.

  • You know, I just pulled out from my cabinet bottles called hydrate, and it like, you know, every time you drink it and finish it, it'll tell me on my on my device.

  • I put I have lemon in there right now.

  • I have a little bit of stevia, so it tastes like a lemonade.

  • Sometimes I put oranges and drinking water is the key and moving your body.

  • I don't care if you walk slow.

  • I don't care what you d'oh!

  • I don't care if you hold a plank.

  • I don't care if you you know, whatever you D'oh!

  • There's no excuses now.

  • And you know what?

  • Turn on.

  • Turn on your TV.

  • Turn on.

  • Open up your computer.

  • Go!

  • Do you go to you too?

  • They're such wonderful yoga classes, fitness classes and just you know what?

  • Just like Maggie says, Just do it.

  • It's gonna make you feel better.

  • And you know what?

  • Guess what, then You've got other things to do.

  • You've got your housework to do.

  • You've got, you know, so many things.

  • So if you don't keep yourself healthy and feeling good, it's gonna be really easy to be in a funk really easy.

  • And call your friends.

  • Yeah, so important just to connect and be connected to people.

  • And this is a great chance to kind of go back to people.

  • You haven't talked to you in a while and check in.

  • But could you imagine if this happened in another time where we didn't have the connection?

  • You know, it's there's no excuses now, Yeah, we're more spread out than we've probably ever been.

  • And so in touch with their friends and family, it is harder to do but almost easier to because it's possible.

  • Yeah, and and having real conversations instead of your normal text conversations like that, I would say, even if you just with one extra one person a day, just call someone that you know and love and just didn't have time to to really spend with them, do you?

  • And so, Bobby, I referenced before that, we put an alert out to the master class community asking for questions, and I have a bunch of questions that I love to run past.

  • You get your thoughts on now, we might not be able to get through all of them today, but I'm so excited to have this discussion with you.

  • Um, and we you actually started to discuss this first fun earlier.

  • It's about foundation and, Kirsty asks, Can foundation be good for your skin, or should we always try to minimize the use?

  • Well, foundation isn't bad for your skin.

  • I might not like the look of most foundation on the skin, unless it's something that really suits your scanner looks natural as long as you wash your face at night, it's there's nothing wrong with wearing foundation.

  • And guess what?

  • If you forget one night, it's really not a big deal.

  • You just wash it the next day.

  • So you know, foundation is fine to wear.

  • Just make sure you take it off a night, right?

  • And I know in your class that you mentioned how did the importance of taking a break for makeup, too, and just getting used to seeing yourself without makeup on?

  • Honestly, I think it's a really great thing to do.

  • You know, whether it's the weekends, whether it's a day you just put your hair in a ponytail, put a face oil on.

  • You know, you guys know if you saw my master class.

  • I am a really big fan of apricot kernel oil that is on Lee.

  • It's under $10 that you could get it at your, you know, grocery store, your health food store, but you let your skin breathe, and that's really important, too, and, you know, and you've got a self care doesn't have to be over the top.

  • You could also take the almond oil put it on your hands.

  • You could put a little bit in your hair.

  • You could definitely put it on your feet and put some socks on it.

  • Hydration, you know, from the inside and the outside.

  • I really does make you feel better.

  • Make sure better.

  • Yeah, absolutely.

  • And kind of staying on this topic of healthy skin.

  • You know, a lot of students send in questions about how to cover up fine lines and wrinkles.

  • And I think there's two questions here, the first being, you know, What would you say to people who feel like they need to remove these lines to feel beautiful and went, Oh, Azaz, you're 62 year old beauty expert and I spent a lot of my time looking at pictures of myself both on Zoom on video, you know, all over the Internet.

  • It's amazing what the right lighting does So there sometimes, or I'm just like, Oh my God.

  • And then I realized, you know what?

  • I am 62.

  • I am healthy.

  • I wanna look like a healthy version for me.

  • Personally, I'm not someone that shoots things in my face, You know, I'm I'm not opposed or against any choices anyone makes.

  • I have chosen to color my 100% gray hair, but I am making peace with the lines in my face.

  • That's saying, if I am not hydrated and I don't have the right moisturizer on my skin, my lines look bad.

  • If I am hydrated and have the right cream on my my lines, don't bother.

  • So, you know, be interested is everything and think about yourself on a vacation.

  • How good you look when you're on vacation.

  • Try to try to bring that up in your head.

  • And when it comes to, you know, make up that I could put on to minimize the thieves, fine lines and wrinkles.

  • What would you recommend?

  • Well, there are a lot of blur products on the market.

  • I don't always think they actually blur.

  • They're just kind of, you know, a little.

  • Sometimes they dio.

  • But I really do find that moisturizer and oil, like a teeny bit of oil, will help plump the line.

  • So that really works a lot.

  • And so it's really moisture that's gonna make the lines softer.

  • Look at and there's nothing that's gonna get rid of them, you know, besides photo ops, then you know, sometimes people get Botox and they look natural, normal and fine.

  • And other times people get Bo talks.

  • And they talked, right?

  • Right.

  • And I know people come up to you and say all the time that I just don't know what to do with my makeup anymore.

  • And maybe the things that they used to do don't work for them anymore.

  • Um, you know, how should people be evolving their makeup over time?

  • Well, I think that a lot of things have changed, and I think they're going to continue to change.

  • You know, more and more people are are using less makeup, and more and more people are using more makeup.

  • So, you know, there is the, you know, the world out there that does, like full coverage contouring, you know, individual lashes, false lashes, you know, more glamorous than I am.

  • And that's OK.

  • So the trick is to find what makes you feel your most beautiful.

  • I have.

  • I have no judgment for someone that you know, it looks in the mirror, and it's happy with what they look like.

  • And it should be, you know, different.

  • I am someone.

  • I'm comfortable in my skin especially, You know, recently we're comfortable to wear less makeup.

  • So, really, the trick in life is to find what makes you comfortable.

  • And people always say, Well, how do I become confident if you're comfortable in your skin?

  • That's how you become confident and yes, do.

  • I wish I had my hairdresser here to give me, like, the best blow out, you know, and have my stylist there to give me the best outfit for camera.

  • But I don't right now.

  • And it's okay, right?

  • And, you know, I know you mentioned comforting a minute ago and in the class we took John it briefly, and you share some really personal stories about when you've had makeovers done and they've come toward you in different ways.

  • And that didn't make you feel like your best self.

  • Um, and Genevieve is this is a member of master classes, senior class and was really curious about you know why you do feel the way you do about contouring And, um, you know what?

  • It, um can you for people and wind up mother Well, it's funny because I'm not a fan of telling someone that there's something wrong with their face.

  • So, you know, changing the shape of your nose.

  • I find that if you're gonna contour it, I'm going to see it on your face.

  • I'm going to see the brown and you know what?

  • Why does everyone have to have this perfect little nose?

  • So But that's saying if someone wants to put something on it because it makes them feel better, that's fine.

  • And I've worked with many actresses that not I have not contoured and they've asked me, Could you please?

  • And so I do it and I showed them Amir and they say, Thank you.

  • That's so much better.

  • I did it so lightly.

  • I'm not even sure if it was there.

  • But it's important as a makeup artist to make people feel comfortable with what they look like.

  • But I don't contour, but sometimes I will use bronzer, you know, just a little bit under the neck, because right now that's kind of my point.

  • That drives me crazy.

  • And by making it a little bit, no.

  • And I don't have to blend it.

  • So I'm choosing a color you could just put on.

  • So in my contouring, I don't know, could I use it to kind of contour my face.

  • I could what for?

  • I'd much rather enhance and bring out, you know, the cheeks instead of trying to make cheekbones that aren't there, right?

  • And it makes me think back you in your master class.

  • We shared a story from early on and your professional makeup career, where you were doing Jerry Hall's makeup.

  • No, I think you you kind of learned what worked for Gary was not something that you had to be.

  • You said I think that ought for at that time could you share a little of that?

  • So here I was, a very young makeup artist, and I got hired to do a cover of British Cosmopolitan with the uber super model Jerry Hall.

  • Well, you could imagine I was a nervous rack and I packed all my things.

  • I arrived at the shoot.

  • She could not have been any nicer.

  • She was married to make it the time, and I did her makeup, and luckily, she had room false eyelashes on because there was I was not very good at false eyelashes.

  • I did her makeup.

  • It probably took about 45 minutes.

  • We talked the whole time, and I showed her a mirror and she said, Oh, wow, thank you so pretty.

  • Can I just make a few changes?

  • And I said, Sure, she's Could you hand me that?

  • Could you hand me that?

  • And all of a sudden she redid her whole face, like instead of me being Oh my God, what did I do wrong and be upset?

  • I realized it was an opportunity to learn what she was doing.

  • I did not have the ability to call on tour the way she did it.

  • It was masterful.

  • I mean, she had worked with, you know, famous makeup artists like Way Bandy and all these other guys back then, and she Now, I I'll post the picture.

  • She looks contoured, butt beautiful, but certainly not where my aesthetic waas.

  • And every time I did someone's makeup famous or not, I would Joe Mirror and I would adjust what they wanted.

  • Adjust it.

  • Sometimes it's an eyebrow that one of the supermodels wants adjusted.

  • Sometimes, you know, they're like, Oh, it's fine.

  • Oh, it's fine.

  • They don't even look.

  • They don't care.

  • Isabella Rossellini Oh, it's beautiful.

  • She didn't care.

  • She knew she looked beautiful and, you know, in your class you have a chapter specifically for aspiring makeup artists, and you do share like how important it is to show a mirror to your model and have conversations.

  • And, you know, if you're a model having your makeup done, it's okay to pull the makeup artist aside and have conversations about what you like.

  • And maybe if something isn't working how to how to fix it, that right?

  • Absolutely well, first of all, communicating with someone is, you know, it's a skill and it's a gift because, you know, someone has to be able to tell you they don't love what you've done or they love it or they would like it different.

  • And I learned this early on.

  • I'll never forget.

  • I was at a shoot with Cindy Crawford, and they did her makeup and she said, I love it great and the hairdresser did her hair, and afterwards she said, Thank you.

  • It's beautiful and we left to go shoot on location, she said to the hairdresser, all you don't have to stay Hairdresser left and and Sydney, Cindy said to me, Do you a brush?

  • I said, All right, I might.

  • I gave it to her.

  • She was Oh, my God, my hair!

  • And she combed it out and fixed it.

  • But she was so kind to this artist that clearly was a nervous wreck and did not do a great job.

  • And I just thought, You know what?

  • There's a way to treat people.

  • And, you know, I've never forgotten that she was like that.

  • But you are OK to tell someone.

  • And if you are a woman that goes to a counter and get your makeup done and you don't like it well, you don't want to waste your time.

  • Just say, you know what?

  • It's too much.

  • There's a way to say it.

  • It's too much for me.

  • Could you show me how I could do it with less?

  • Just communicate right?

  • And I think it's a little bit of, ah, change in topic.

  • But I know because I've heard from many people that I know you know, when they're doing their makeup, there may be afraid to go in and change things because they think if they make a mistake, they have to start all over.

  • Have you experienced that?

  • No.

  • I mean the only time I've started all over was when I realized how bad it waas.

  • I had a couple experiences early on in my makeup career where I was once hired to do a famous model, Kim Alexis, for a cover of I think It was Glamour magazine and we had to be ready for sunrise, which meant, you know, 5 45 So we got up at 4 45 I met her in some dark room, did her makeup.

  • By the time the sun came up, she realized she looked awful.

  • The colors were wrong and things weren't blended, and I literally had a one second going to say, Oh my God!

  • And so I didn't have to wash her face.

  • But I took a moisturizer with sponge, and I kind of took it all down and blended it, and I was able then to quickly build it up.

  • And as an artist, there is a skill at doing things fast and figuring it out and visually looking and being present for years when I would do fashion shows, the models would be late.

  • We'd have to start, Anna would be in the front row, or the editors would be there and models will be coming in from the last show.

  • And sometimes they come in with the most intense, dark, bright, awful makeup.

  • And, of course, I was hired to do a much more subtle job, and you have to quickly 45 make up artists attack!

  • Take the makeup off, get him ready.

  • So you have to be insightful.

  • You've got to be visually quick, and you gotta move on your feet and be fucking right.

  • And you know, when we talk about having to be quick in that way, Jesse had a question.

  • What is your single best multipurpose tool?

  • Mm, Right here, guys.

  • My fingers.

  • There's no question if the foundation doesn't look right, I could put moisturizer on.

  • I can go like this.

  • I could do all that.

  • If the blush doesn't look right, you could blend it in.

  • But probably my best tool, which I keep in my kit, is this little teenage brush from a makeup artist from the UK named Ruby that has three different heads fits together.

  • It's in my it's in my purse.

  • You could use a fear lips for your eyes, for your brows.

  • So I like things that you could do different things with right?

  • Absolutely.

  • And, you know, I I brought up just a second ago about you know, whether you need to start over or not.

  • And, you know, I have another question here from Nancy, and she talks about every time she applies her eye shadow her eyes, she says, look more bruised than Smokey.

  • And so I wanted to get your opinion.

  • What?

  • What could be going wrong there?

  • And how might Nancy fix that?

  • To get the look that she's going after?

  • Well, I think two things there.

  • I first think that the color's wrong.

  • So for somethingto Look, Brucie, it maybe has too much black, and it could have some red in it.

  • Anything with red is gonna make you look tired.

  • It's gonna make you look bruised, so make sure that the colors don't have red.

  • And I'm not sure, Nancy, if you are putting colors that are too dark for your skin because that could also go haywire, Which is why when I teach the Smokey Eye, I teach this buildable way to do make up.

  • You start with the lightest, then you add the next lightest.

  • Then you add the next one until you get to the darkest and it's layered.

  • So it's blended.

  • It's the opposite of blended, you know, blending as you take something really dark and fuzz it all down, and that it's not always so easy for people.

  • So if we start light and blend up its buildable, and I think that makes a big difference, right?

  • And for anyone who hasn't seen Bobbi's master class yet, Bobby breaks down howto apply the perfect smoky eye in her class.

  • Step by step and I mean it.

  • I remember leaving the section of our shoot talking about the smoky eye and all of a sudden realizing, Oh, like it's Actually it doesn't have to be that hard, right?

  • It's not.

  • And by the way, a smoky eye for fashion shows are completely different than you know on at home.

  • Or a wedding or ah, black tie, smoky eye for fashion shows.

  • I often have to take like black grease paint and do like an intense kind of, you know, really messed up Smokey Eye, depending on the look or an editorial shoot.

  • So as a makeup artist, you know, I talk about scope, and it's good to be able to do both, right?

  • And, you know, when we were working on the Smokey Eye with our model Hannah, you know, she had these beautiful blue eyes, and you're able to talk about different color combinations that worked really well on her.

  • And Lauren is another master class member who's taking your class and would love to know about other color combinations, maybe for hazel eyes or other different coppers.

  • Well, certainly the greys always work on everybody.

  • The Smokies, the greys, you know, from it's the great nation, from white to black, like all in the middle.

  • If you think of a pain char, you could do a brown, smoky eye.

  • So again, you know, going toe when when you're able to go back to paint stores or just go online.

  • And if you look at the paint, you know they all have different tones and look at a brown one.

  • Look at a green one.

  • Look, a purple one.

  • They have all the different tones, so you could start with you know, the lightest color up into the darkest and, you know, for hazel eyes I mean, you can't go wrong with Brown's hazel eyes, also looks really great with the right plumbing purple, but it can't be to read If it's too red, you're gonna look tired, right?

  • And your color is so important and I think it's easy to go Well, actually, let me ask you, is it possible to go too far with color?

  • I know when I'm When we experimented on set in your class, you felt like you.

  • Maybe you did.

  • But like, how do you find that balance between you know, being playful with color, finding what works for you without going too far?

  • Well, it's you do it and you say, Well, that's cool.

  • Oh, well, why don't I do that?

  • Wow, that looks good.

  • And then you do something else say that it's interesting.

  • And then you try something else.

  • You're like, OK, and then you go try something else and you're like, Oh my God, that looks terrible.

  • And that's what happened.

  • I remember I kept building up the eye, and then I ended up putting an extra blue on one side.

  • And then I was suddenly I noticed that it made her eyes look uneven in her head.

  • And it was we were on such a deadline.

  • There was no way I was gonna ask that.

  • You know, the guys, Can I just do this over again?

  • So I used the mistake to say, Look, to me, it was a mistake to me.

  • I went too far, you know, other people said Narrow.

  • It's really great.

  • No to me.

  • I thought I went too far, right?

  • And I think you know, it's actually such a cool insight for people tohave into not only your process but the process of making your class.

  • You know, there are many different cameras on you as you're working, but we also had under so you would step away to look at what you were doing and kind of make that evaluation on what you needed to do.

  • Yeah, it was It was It was complicated because I had one light on me sideways.

  • And every time I put my head down in something, I'm like, No, you can't shoot.

  • A woman of a certain age can't shoot anyone doing that.

  • It's not the most beautiful.

  • So I've gotten really good at doing makeup like this.

  • Head up, you know, the right angle.

  • But then, you know the concern is the model.

  • And then there's cameras all over the place.

  • But what does it really look like in the monitor?

  • So I had to artists in the monitor.

  • I had assistant in the monitor, but I still needed to go look, because I tend to see things that other people don't.

  • I'm kind of eagle eyes that way.

  • But, you know, I think the important thing for people to know that are out there that are maybe insecure about their own work those of us that are artists, makeup artists We are not like these gods out there.

  • We are.

  • We're human, and we are learning.

  • And we are not sure sometimes of what we're doing is the right.

  • You know, other times were like, Wow, that's really great.

  • I k

so welcome, everyone.

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