like, you know, the only "ist" I am is a scientist, all right? I don't associate with movements.

I'm not an "ism." I just - I think for myself. The moment when someone attaches to a philosophy

or a movement, then they assign all the baggage and all the rest of the philosophy that goes

with it to you, and when you want to have a conversation they will assert that they

already know everything important there is to know about you because of that association.

And that's not the way to have a conversation. I'm sorry. It's not. I'd rather we explore

each other's ideas in real time rather than assign a label to it and assert, you know,

what's going to happen in advance.

So what people are really after is, what is my stance on religion or spirituality or God?

And I would say, if I find a word that came closest it would be agnostic. Agnostic -- the

word dates from the 19th century -- Huxley -- to refer to someone who doesn't know but

hasn't yet really seen evidence for it but is prepared to embrace the evidence if it's

there but if it's not won't be forced to have to think something that is not otherwise supported.

There are many atheists who say, "Well, all agnostics are atheists." Okay. I'm constantly

claimed by atheists. I find this intriguing. In fact, on my Wiki page -- I didn't create

the Wiki page, others did, and I'm flattered that people cared enough about my life to

assemble it -- and it said, "Neil deGrasse is an atheist." I said, "Well that's not really

true." I said, "Neil deGrasse is an agnostic." I went back a week later. It said, "Neil deGrasse

is an atheist." -- again within a week -- and I said, "What's up with that?" and I said,

"I have to word it a little differently." So I said, okay, "Neil deGrasse, widely claimed

by atheists, is actually an agnostic."

And some will say, well, that's -- "You're not being fair to the fact that they're actually

the same thing." No, they're not the same thing, and I'll tell you why. Atheists I know

who proudly wear the badge are active atheists. They're like in your face atheist and they

want to change policies and they're having debates. I don't have the time, the interest,

the energy to do any of that. I'm a scientist. I'm an educator. My goal is to get people

thinking straight in the first place, just get you to be curious about the natural world.

That's what I'm about. I'm not about any of the rest of this.

And it's odd that the word atheist even exists. I don't play golf. Is there a word for non-golf

players? Do non-golf players gather and strategize? Do non-skiers have a word and come together

and talk about the fact that they don't ski? I don't—I can't do that. I can't gather

around and talk about how much everybody in the room doesn't believe in God. I just don't—I

don't have the energy for that, and so I . . . Agnostic separates me from the conduct of atheists

whether or not there is strong overlap between the two categories, and at the end of the

day I'd rather not be any category at all.