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  • HEY EVERYBODY, WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

  • HE IS THE AUTHOR BEHIND SO MANY OF THE STORIES WE LOVE:

  • "CARRIE," "IT," "MISERY," "THE SHINING," "THE SHAWSHANK

  • REDEMPTION," "THE OUTSIDER," AND "THE STAND," COMING SOON TO

  • CBS ALL ACCESS.

  • HIS NEW BOOK IS "IF IT BLEEDS."

  • PLEASE WELCOME TO "A LATE SHOW," STEPHEN KING!

  • STEPHEN KING, YOU-- YOUR ENTIRE CAREER HAS BEEN IMAGINING

  • HORRIFIC SCENARIOS.

  • HOW ARE YOU HANDLING THIS ONE IN REALITY?

  • >> WELL, I'M DOING IT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

  • I'M SITTING AT HOME MOST OF THE TIME, AND WHEN I GO OUT TO THE

  • GROCERY STORE, I WEAR MY LITTLE MASK.

  • AND WHEN I COME HOME, I WASH MY HANDS BECAUSE I CAN IMAGINE--

  • IMAGINATION IS A TERRIBLE THING SOMETIMES WHEN IT TURNS AGAINST

  • YOURSELF-- I CAN IMAGINE GERMS AS BIG AS WAGON WHEELS ON MY

  • HANDS AND CRAWLING UP MY ARMS AND INTO MY FACE.

  • >> Stephen: WELL, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE CURRENT HORROR STORY

  • THAT WE'RE IN AND ONE OF THE CENTRAL CHARACTERS, WHICH IS

  • OUR-- OUR PRESIDENT?

  • >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE-- THE THING ABOUT DRINKING BLEACH JUST

  • KIND OF BOWLED ME OVER.

  • PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TELLING ME FOR YEARS, YOU KNOW, THAT I SORT OF

  • FRESAW DONALD TRUMP.

  • I WROTE A BOOK CALLED "THE DEAD ZONE," AND THERE WAS A CHARACTER

  • IN THERE, A KIND OF TV COMEDIAN-TYPE GUY WHO APPEALED

  • TO THE COMMON PEOPLE AND TOLD EVERYBODY THAT HE WAS GOING TO

  • SOLVE THE POLLUTION PROBLEM, AND THE PROBLEM OF GARBAGE.

  • HE WAS GOING TO SHOOT IT ALL INTO OUTER SPACE!

  • AND THEN HE WOULD HAND OUT HOT DOGS AND HE'D SAY, "YOU'RE GOING

  • TO SAY 'HOT DOG' WHEN YOU ELECT GREG STILSON PRESIDENT."

  • AND REALLY, SHOOTING GARBAGE INTO OUTER SPACE COMPARES PRETTY

  • FAIRLIY TO INJECTING BLEACH INTO THE HUMAN BODY I THINK.

  • >> Stephen: YEAH, YEAH, I THINK IT'S ON-- I THINK IT'S ON

  • PAR.

  • IF YOU HAD WRITTEN-- IF YOU HAD WRITTEN THE SCENARIO WE'RE IN

  • RIGHT NOW, WOULD IT HAVE GONE THIS WAY?

  • IS IT PLAYING OUT THE WAY YOU WOULD HAVE IMAGINED IT?

  • >> WELL, I WROTE A BOOK CALLED "THE STAND," IN 1975 OR '76, AND

  • I'M STILL APOLOGIZING FOR IT 40, 50 YEARS LATER.

  • PEOPLE WILL COME ALONG AND SAY THROUGH THEIR LITTLE MASKS, "I

  • FEEL LIKE I'M LIVING IN A STEPHEN KING STORY."

  • AND MY RESPONSE IS, "I'M SORRY FOR THAT."

  • BUT WHEN I WROTE IT BACK IN THE 70s, I JUST HAD THIS IDEA

  • BASED ON A CHEMICAL SPILL IN UTAH.

  • AND I WENT TO A DOCTOR THAT I KNEW, AND I SAID, "COULD YOU

  • GIVE ME A SCENARIO FOR A PANDEMIC THAT WIPES OUT 99% OF

  • THE EARTH'S POPULATION?" AND HIS EYES LIT UP.

  • I MEAN, THEY LOVE THAT SORT THE APOCALYPTIC "WHAT IF" SCENARIO.

  • AND HE SAID, "WELL, THE FLU WOULD BE THE BEST THING.

  • IT'S A VIRUS.

  • IT'S NOT DEAD.

  • IT'S NOT ALIVE.

  • NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT IT IS."

  • BUT THE THING ABOUT THE FLU IS IT'S THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON

  • GIVING BECAUSE EVERY YEAR IT COMES BACK, BUT IT COMES BACK IN

  • A DIFFERENT FORM, SO THAT YOU NEED A DIFFERENT SHOT FOR IT.

  • AND MY FEAR, STEPHEN, ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS, IS THAT WE MAY GET

  • THINGS BACK TO NORMAL, AND THEN WANT VIRUS MUTATES, AND IT COMES

  • BACK, WHICH LEAVES TWO POSSIBILITIES-- ONE IS THAT IT

  • COMES BACK MUCH WEAKER AND IT'S NOT MUCH OF A PROBLEM.

  • BUT THE NIGHTMARE SCENARIO-- WHICH OF COURSE IS WHERE MY MIND

  • GOES-- I'M SORRY, BUT IT DOES-- IS THAT IT COMES BACK MORE

  • LETHAL THAN EVER.

  • >> Stephen: YOUR NEW BOOK IS CALLED "IF IT BLEEDS."

  • IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR STORIES.

  • >> YOU KNOW WHAT, STEPHEN, I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE A COPY OF IT

  • RIGHT HERE.

  • >> Stephen: OH, REALLY?

  • >> YEAH.

  • >> Stephen: YOU DO?

  • >> IT'S MARVELOUS.

  • >> Stephen: LOOK AT THAT.

  • GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE.

  • >> WE EACH HAVE A COPY OF IT.

  • IT'S FANTASTIC.

  • >> Stephen: WHAT'S THE ROLE OF A HORROR STORY RIGHT NOW WHEN

  • WE'RE LIVING IN A SORT OF DYSTOPIAN FUTURE?

  • >> WELL, I THINK THAT PEOPLE DO KIND OF GRAVITATE OWARD HORROR

  • STORIES WHEN TIMES ARE TOUGH AND TIMES ARE SCARY.

  • AND THAT'S CERTAINLY TRUE NOW.

  • BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO TO A HORROR STORY, LIKE "IF IT BLEEDS," OR

  • "GERALD'S GAME" OR ANY OF THE STUFF I'VE WRITTEN-- ALL OF

  • WHICH ARE AVAILABLE BY MAIL ORDER OR CURB SERVICE FROM YOUR

  • LOCAL BOOKSTORE-- CORRECT-- YOU READ IT, AND THE SITUATIONS ARE

  • EVEN MORE HORRIBLE THAN BEING UNDER HOUSE ARREST WITH NO

  • TOILET PAPER.

  • AND WHEN YOU FINISH, YOU CLOSE THE BOOK, AND YOU'VE HAD A PLACE

  • TO PUT YOUR FEARS FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

  • YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAY, "THESE PROBLEMS MUCH WORSE THAN MY

  • PROBLEMS," AND THEN YOU CLOSE THE BOOK, AND YOU CAN GO TO BED

  • AND SLEEP LIKE A BABY.

  • AT LEAST THAT'S-- THAT'S THE THEORY.

  • >> Stephen: WHO OF THE CHARACTERS YOU'VE WRITTEN WOULD

  • YOU LEAST WANT TO BE QUARANTINED WITH?

  • OR-- OR-- OR MOST.

  • EITHER ONE.

  • >> IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.

  • I WOULDN'T BE TO WANT QUARANTINED WITH ANNIE WILKES.

  • BECAUSE SHE WOULD THINK THAT WAS A COCKA DOODY BRAT, AND THEN SHE

  • WOULD SAY, "STEPHEN, I HAVE A WONDERFUL IDEA FAIR BOOK, AND I

  • WANT TO YOU WRITE IT OR I'LL CUT OFF YOUR FOOT."

  • SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE QUARANTINED WITH HER.

  • IF I HAD TO PICK SOMEBODY THAT --

  • >> Stephen: WHAT ABOUT JACK TORRENCE?

  • YOU'D BE OKAY QUARANTINING WITH JACK TORRENCE FROM "THE

  • SHINING?" >> NO, I WOULDN'T BE OKAY

  • QUARANTINING WITH JACK TORRENCE, EITHER, BECAUSE I'D BE AFRAID

  • HE'D START WRITING, "ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKES JACK A DULL

  • BOY."

  • I'D BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

  • BUT I COULD BE QUARANTINED WITH HOLLY GIVE ME FROM "IF IT

  • BEEDS."

  • SHE HAS HER O.C.D., BELLS AND WHISTLES AND TICKS AND TOCKS.

  • >> SHE'S A FAN FAVORITE AND IS BACK FOR THIS COLLECTION.

  • >> SHE IS, SHE IS.

  • I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S A FAN FAVORITE BUT SHE'S MY FAVORITE.

  • PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE STUCK WITH HER IN THIS BOOK, ANYWAY.

  • >> Stephen: YOU RECENTLY WERE ASKED FOR YOUR TOP 10 FAVORITE

  • BOOKS, AND YOU PUT "LORD OF THE RINGS" ON YOUR LIST.

  • I AM A HUGE FAN OF LORD OF THE RINGS.

  • WHAT IS IT, FROM A NOVELIST'S POINT OF VIEW, WHAT DO YOU LIKE

  • ABOUT "LORD OF THE RINGS?" >> OH, BOY, THAT IS ONE OF THE

  • BOOKS THAT TAUGHT ME HOW TO WRITE FICTION.

  • BECAUSE, OKAY, SO, THE HERO IS A HOBBIT.

  • HE'S A LITTLE TINY CRETE WUR FURRY FEET.

  • AND HE EATS 12 TIMES A DAY.

  • AND WE KNOW THERE ARE NO SUCH THINGS AS HOBBITS.

  • BUT HE'S AN ORDINARY GUY, BUT HE'S GOT A BIG HEART, RIGHT?

  • HE'S GOT A HUGE HEART AND A LOT OF COURAGE, AND WE ALL WISH THAT

  • WE HAD THAT, PARTICULARLY IN TIMES LIKE THIS.

  • AND HE SETS OUT ON A QUEST WITH HIS FRIENDS, AND I LOVE STORIES

  • ABOUT FRERND FRENDSHIP, STRONG FELLOWSHIPS.

  • AND I I THINK EVERYBODY DOES.

  • I PARTICULARLY-- WHO IS YOUR FAVORITE CHARACTER IN "LORD OF

  • THE RINGS?" CAN I ASK THAT?

  • >> WELL, SAM.

  • >> SAM WAS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER FROM "LORD OF THE RINGS."

  • NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

  • BECAUSE THE LINE THEY ALWAYS REMEMBER-- AND IT ACTUALLY

  • BROUGHT TEARS MY EYES-- IS WHEN THE RING FINALLY GOT TOO MUCH

  • FOR FRODO, SAM SAYS, "I WILL CARRY YOU, MR. FRODO."

  • AND HE DOES.

  • IT'S A BEAUTIFUL MOMENT, BEAUTIFUL STORY.

  • >> Stephen: I LIKE WHEN THEY'RE ABOUT TO GO UP INTO THE

  • CRACKS TO THROW THE RING IN THERE.

  • IT'S THE NIGHT BEFORE THEY GO UP.

  • AND HE LOOKS AT FRODO, AND HE SEES A LIGHT COMING OUT OF

  • FRODO.

  • HE PERCEIVES HIM AS A VESSEL OF LIGHT.

  • AND HE GOES, "WELL"-- HE LOVES HIM, HE REALIZES.

  • AND HE SAYS, "WELL, HE'S LIKE THAT, AND SOMETIMES IT SHINES

  • THROUGH."

  • I JUST LOVE THAT MOMENT WHERE HE JUST REALIZES THAT HOW MUCH LOVE

  • AND ADMIRATION HE HAS FOR HIM.

  • >> IT'S A SIMPLE STORY, BUT IT'S WELL TOLD, AND YOU CAN FALL INTO

  • IT.

  • IT'S PARTICULARLY GOOD IN TIMES LIKE THESE.

  • AND I THINK YOU AND I WOULD BOTH SAY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING

  • FED UP WITH BEING QUARANTINED AND THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO GO.

  • THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO PUT YOUR HEART FOR QUITE A LONG TIME,

  • BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT THERE.

  • BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE BOOKS THAT WHEN I GOT TO THE END OF IT, I

  • SAID TO MYSELF, "IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG TIME-- MAYBE IT'S

  • GOING TO BE YEARS-- BEFORE I READ ANYTHING AS GOOD AS THIS

  • AGAIN."

  • >> Stephen: STEPHEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

  • >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE.

  • >> Stephen: AND THANKS FOR THE NEW BOOK.

  • "IF IT BLEEDS" IS ON SALE NOW.

  • STEPHEN KING, EVERYBODY!

  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

HEY EVERYBODY, WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.

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