Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles GLAD TO WATCH IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, RACHEL. THANK YOU SO MUCH, RACHEL. >> THANKS, ARI. >> THANKS, ARI. GOOD LUCK TO TONIGHT. GOOD LUCK TO TONIGHT. >> TONIGHT DONALD TRUMP FACES >> TONIGHT DONALD TRUMP FACES MOUNTING PRESSURE. MOUNTING PRESSURE. A FEDERAL JURY WILL TAKE THIS A FEDERAL JURY WILL TAKE THIS WEEKEND OFF BEFORE RESUMING WEEKEND OFF BEFORE RESUMING THESE DELIBERATIONS ON THE FATE THESE DELIBERATIONS ON THE FATE OF HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER PAUL OF HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER PAUL MANAFORT AND BOB MUELLER NOW MANAFORT AND BOB MUELLER NOW TONIGHT RECOMMENDING JAIL TIME TONIGHT RECOMMENDING JAIL TIME FOR GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS. FOR GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS. NEW WARNINGS THAT REPUBLICANS NEW WARNINGS THAT REPUBLICANS NOT ONLY TRAIL DEMOCRATS BY SIX NOT ONLY TRAIL DEMOCRATS BY SIX POINTS IN POLLING OVER WHO COULD POINTS IN POLLING OVER WHO COULD WIN THE MID-TERMS BUT A BLUE WIN THE MID-TERMS BUT A BLUE WAVE COULD MARK AN END TO THE WAVE COULD MARK AN END TO THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY. TRUMP PRESIDENCY. THAT MAY BE MOTIVATING FOR MANY THAT MAY BE MOTIVATING FOR MANY LIBERAL VOTERS. LIBERAL VOTERS. TAKE THIS NEW VIDEO THAT'S TAKE THIS NEW VIDEO THAT'S AIMING TO RILE UP CONSERVATIVE AIMING TO RILE UP CONSERVATIVE TURNOUT BY ARGUING THIS IS NOW A TURNOUT BY ARGUING THIS IS NOW A WAR FOR THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY. WAR FOR THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY. IT COMES FROM A MULTIMILLION IT COMES FROM A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CAMPAIGN BY FORMER TRUMP DOLLAR CAMPAIGN BY FORMER TRUMP CAMPAIGN CHAIR STEVE BANNON CAMPAIGN CHAIR STEVE BANNON RETURNING FROM EXILE TO HELP RETURNING FROM EXILE TO HELP CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS WHETHER THEY WANT HIS HELP OR WHETHER THEY WANT HIS HELP OR NOT. NOT. BANNON IS ONE OF THE MOST BANNON IS ONE OF THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL FIGURES IN U.S. CONTROVERSIAL FIGURES IN U.S. POLITICS FOR MANY REASONS. POLITICS FOR MANY REASONS. BUT IT CAN BE HARD TO SEE WHAT'S BUT IT CAN BE HARD TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MIDTERMS HAPPENING IN THE MIDTERMS WITHOUT SEEING WHAT HE'S UP TO. WITHOUT SEEING WHAT HE'S UP TO. PEOPLE CAN'T DECIDE WHAT TO DO PEOPLE CAN'T DECIDE WHAT TO DO ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR POLITICS IF WHAT'S HAPPENING IS POLITICS IF WHAT'S HAPPENING IS NOT EXPOSED OR NOT KNOWN OR NOT NOT EXPOSED OR NOT KNOWN OR NOT CONFRONTED. CONFRONTED. WHILE BANNON HAS TRIED A BIG WHILE BANNON HAS TRIED A BIG ROLE IN POLITICS, HE RARELY GOES ROLE IN POLITICS, HE RARELY GOES ON TV, HE HAS NEVER TAKEN ON TV, HE HAS NEVER TAKEN QUESTIONS FROM AN MSNBC ANALYST QUESTIONS FROM AN MSNBC ANALYST ON AIR. ON AIR. THAT CHANGES TONIGHT. THAT CHANGES TONIGHT. PLUS, INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS, PLUS, INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS, ADVERSARIAL REACTION AND FACT ADVERSARIAL REACTION AND FACT CHECKING FROM OUR PANEL OF CHECKING FROM OUR PANEL OF JOURNALISTS AND POLITICAL JOURNALISTS AND POLITICAL ANALYSTS WHO ARE WITH ME LIVE. ANALYSTS WHO ARE WITH ME LIVE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR UP FRONT, I WANT TO BE CLEAR UP FRONT, THIS INTERVIEW HAD NO GROUND THIS INTERVIEW HAD NO GROUND RULES, NOTHING OFF LIMITS. RULES, NOTHING OFF LIMITS. WE TALKED ABOUT BANNON'S PROJECT WE TALKED ABOUT BANNON'S PROJECT FOR THE MID-TERMS, HIS DONORS, FOR THE MID-TERMS, HIS DONORS, HIS POLITICAL RECORD, THE TIME'S HIS POLITICAL RECORD, THE TIME'S UP MOVEMENT, HIS VIEW OF JAMES UP MOVEMENT, HIS VIEW OF JAMES COMEY'S FIRES AND WHY MUELLER COMEY'S FIRES AND WHY MUELLER VIEWS HIM AS A WITNESS TO BOTH VIEWS HIM AS A WITNESS TO BOTH THE COLLUSION AND OBSTRUCTION THE COLLUSION AND OBSTRUCTION INVESTIGATION THAT'S GOING ON INVESTIGATION THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW. BANNON ALSO RECOUNTS THE FIRST BANNON ALSO RECOUNTS THE FIRST TIME HE AND MUELLER EVER SPOKE TIME HE AND MUELLER EVER SPOKE AT THE DOORWAY TO DONALD TRUMP'S AT THE DOORWAY TO DONALD TRUMP'S OVAL OFFICE. OVAL OFFICE. HERE IS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION HERE IS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION STARTING WITH THE MIDTERMS. STARTING WITH THE MIDTERMS. >> LET'S START WITH THE >> LET'S START WITH THE MIDTERMS. MIDTERMS. IF THEY WERE HELD TODAY, WHO DO IF THEY WERE HELD TODAY, WHO DO YOU THINK WOULD WIN THE HOUSE? YOU THINK WOULD WIN THE HOUSE? >> I THINK IF THEY WERE HELD >> I THINK IF THEY WERE HELD TODAY, WE'D HAVE A TOUGH TIME TODAY, WE'D HAVE A TOUGH TIME HOLDING THE HOUSE. HOLDING THE HOUSE. I REALLY DO. I REALLY DO. I THINK IT COULD BE NORTH OF 25 I THINK IT COULD BE NORTH OF 25 MAYBE 30 SEATS. MAYBE 30 SEATS. MAYBE NORTH OF THAT. MAYBE NORTH OF THAT. THE PEOPLE ARE PROJECTING 45 OR THE PEOPLE ARE PROJECTING 45 OR 50 SEATS. 50 SEATS. I BELIEVE BY NOVEMBER 6th, WE'RE I BELIEVE BY NOVEMBER 6th, WE'RE GOING TO WIN THIS. GOING TO WIN THIS. I THINK ALL THIS TAKES IS PEOPLE I THINK ALL THIS TAKES IS PEOPLE ON OUR SIDE OF THE FOOTBALL ON OUR SIDE OF THE FOOTBALL FOCUSSING ON WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN. FOCUSSING ON WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN. THIS IS AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ON THIS IS AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ON PRESIDENT TRUMP. PRESIDENT TRUMP. THIS ELECTION WILL COME AS A THIS ELECTION WILL COME AS A REFERENDUM ON HIM. REFERENDUM ON HIM. HE PERMEATES THE ENTIRE HE PERMEATES THE ENTIRE POLITICAL CULTURE. POLITICAL CULTURE. I THINK THOSE AROUND HIM ARE I THINK THOSE AROUND HIM ARE TELLING HIM, HEY, IT IS OKAY TO TELLING HIM, HEY, IT IS OKAY TO LOSE THE HOUSE. LOSE THE HOUSE. YOU CAN WORK WITH THE DEMOCRATS YOU CAN WORK WITH THE DEMOCRATS AND WORK WITH A DEMOCRAT HOUSE AND WORK WITH A DEMOCRAT HOUSE IN 2020 IS BAD ADVICE. IN 2020 IS BAD ADVICE. I HAVE MADE A FILM THAT'S I HAVE MADE A FILM THAT'S FOCUSSED ON GETTING OUT THE FOCUSSED ON GETTING OUT THE TRUMP BASE, THE DEPLORABLES PLUS TRUMP BASE, THE DEPLORABLES PLUS THE BLUE COLLAR DEMOCRATS. THE BLUE COLLAR DEMOCRATS. THE OPPOSITION PARTY MEDIA AND THE OPPOSITION PARTY MEDIA AND THE DEMOCRATS SUCCEED IN ONE THE DEMOCRATS SUCCEED IN ONE THING. THING. I THINK THEY DEAD GET A DO-OVER I THINK THEY DEAD GET A DO-OVER TO 2016 AND I THINK THIS IS HIS TO 2016 AND I THINK THIS IS HIS FIRST RE-ELECT. FIRST RE-ELECT. >> YOU SAID YOU WILL SAVE THE >> YOU SAID YOU WILL SAVE THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY IN THESE TRUMP PRESIDENCY IN THESE MIDTERMS. MIDTERMS. DOES HE KNOW HE NEEDS YOU TO DOES HE KNOW HE NEEDS YOU TO SAVE HIM? SAVE HIM? >> I DON'T THINK THE QUOTE WAS >> I DON'T THINK THE QUOTE WAS WE'RE GOING TO SAVE HIM. WE'RE GOING TO SAVE HIM. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET THIS MESSAGE FOCUSSED. THIS MESSAGE FOCUSSED. THE MESSAGE IS ABOUT PRESIDENT THE MESSAGE IS ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP, A REFERENDUM ON PRESIDENT TRUMP, A REFERENDUM ON PRESIDENT TRUMP. TRUMP. TO ME IT IS AN UP OR DOWN VOTE. TO ME IT IS AN UP OR DOWN VOTE. I THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE I THINK THE DEMOCRATS ARE RUNNING AS AN IMPEACHMENT RUNNING AS AN IMPEACHMENT CAMPAIGN. CAMPAIGN. I THINK OUR SIDE HAS TO I THINK OUR SIDE HAS TO UNDERSTAND THAT. UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU JUST CAN'T RUN ON TAX CUTS. YOU JUST CAN'T RUN ON TAX CUTS. YOU HAVE TO RUN ON THE ENTIRE YOU HAVE TO RUN ON THE ENTIRE PACKAGE OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY. PACKAGE OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY. >> YOU THINK IMPEACHMENT IS ON >> YOU THINK IMPEACHMENT IS ON THE BALLOT WHY? THE BALLOT WHY? >> THE GRASS ROOTS OF THE >> THE GRASS ROOTS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAVE PUT IT ON DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAVE PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND SO HAS NANCY PEL THE BALLOT AND SO HAS NANCY PEL LOW SIS LOW SIS PELOSI PELOSI PELOSI. PELOSI. IF THE CONGRESSMEN IN YOUR IF THE CONGRESSMEN IN YOUR DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO COME OUT DISTRICT, YOU HAVE TO COME OUT TO HELP PRESIDENT TRUMP. TO HELP PRESIDENT TRUMP. THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THESE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THESE DISTRICTS IN JULY IN 90 DEGREE DISTRICTS IN JULY IN 90 DEGREE HEAT GOING DOOR TO DOOR. HEAT GOING DOOR TO DOOR. THE REASON THEY'RE GOING DOOR TO THE REASON THEY'RE GOING DOOR TO DOOR IS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOOR IS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. TRUMP. ALL WE'RE SAYING IS, HEY, IT IS ALL WE'RE SAYING IS, HEY, IT IS ALREADY ON THE BALLOT. ALREADY ON THE BALLOT. LET'S DO IT. LET'S DO IT. >> YOUR NEW GROUP OF CITIZENS OF >> YOUR NEW GROUP OF CITIZENS OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. YOU SAY WE'RE AT WAR. YOU SAY WE'RE AT WAR. WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? >> THE FILM SAYS TRUMP AT WAR. >> THE FILM SAYS TRUMP AT WAR. TRUMP IS AT WAR ABOUT THE TRUMP IS AT WAR ABOUT THE POLITICAL CLASS. POLITICAL CLASS. >> IT IS YOUR FILM. >> IT IS YOUR FILM. >> IT IS A FILM CALLED "TRUMP AT >> IT IS A FILM CALLED "TRUMP AT WAR." WAR." IT SHOWS YOU HE IS AT WAR WITH IT SHOWS YOU HE IS AT WAR WITH THE OPPOSITION PARTY MEDIA AND THE OPPOSITION PARTY MEDIA AND BASICALLY HE'S AT ECONOMIC WAR BASICALLY HE'S AT ECONOMIC WAR WITH CHINA. WITH CHINA. AND, SO, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU AND, SO, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS FILM YOU SEE THAT LOOK AT THIS FILM YOU SEE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS A DISRUPTER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS A DISRUPTER AND AN INNOVATOR. AND AN INNOVATOR. YOU SEE HE IS KIND OF DELIVERING YOU SEE HE IS KIND OF DELIVERING ON THE PROMISES HE PUT FORWARD ON THE PROMISES HE PUT FORWARD TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT HE'S NOT INTO JUST MANAGING THE HE'S NOT INTO JUST MANAGING THE DECLINE OF THE COUNTRY, BUT HE'S DECLINE OF THE COUNTRY, BUT HE'S GOING TO TRY TO TURN THE COUNTRY GOING TO TRY TO TURN THE COUNTRY AROUND. AROUND. IT IS A FILM THAT IS FOCUSSED ON IT IS A FILM THAT IS FOCUSSED ON GETTING OUR BASE JACKED UP AND GETTING OUR BASE JACKED UP AND OUR BASE OUT. OUR BASE OUT. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET OUR BASE BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET OUR BASE OUT ON NOVEMBER 6th, WE'LL HAVE OUT ON NOVEMBER 6th, WE'LL HAVE A BAD DAY AT THE POLLS. A BAD DAY AT THE POLLS. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE TRUMP VOTER, THE INVISIBLE TRUMP TRUMP VOTER, THE INVISIBLE TRUMP VOTER SHOW UP LIKE A VOTER SHOW UP LIKE A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. >> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO >> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO REPUBLICANS WHO SAY WHY SHOULD REPUBLICANS WHO SAY WHY SHOULD THEY TAKE YOUR HELP IF YOU THEY TAKE YOUR HELP IF YOU HAVEN'T BACKED WINNING HAVEN'T BACKED WINNING CANDIDATES THUS FAR? CANDIDATES THUS FAR? >> I THINK I DID BACK WINNING >> I THINK I DID BACK WINNING CANDIDATES IN THE PRIMARY. CANDIDATES IN THE PRIMARY. THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT IN THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT IN ALABAMA, ROY MOORE SPECIFICALLY. ALABAMA, ROY MOORE SPECIFICALLY. ROY MOORE WOULD HAVE WON THAT ROY MOORE WOULD HAVE WON THAT ELECTION IF MITCH McCONNELL AND ELECTION IF MITCH McCONNELL AND THESE OTHERS HADN'T TURNED THESE OTHERS HADN'T TURNED AGAINST HIM. AGAINST HIM. WE HAVE A VERY GOOD FEEL ON HOW WE HAVE A VERY GOOD FEEL ON HOW TO WIN. TO WIN. I HAVE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN I HAVE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THIS SINCE THE TEA PARTY, YOU THIS SINCE THE TEA PARTY, YOU KNOW, THE TEA PARTY ELECTION IN KNOW, THE TEA PARTY ELECTION IN 2010. 2010. SO I THINK WE HAVE A VERY GOOD SO I THINK WE HAVE A VERY GOOD IDEA OF HOW TO MAKE THESE FILMS IDEA OF HOW TO MAKE THESE FILMS AND GET PEOPLE OUT. AND GET PEOPLE OUT. >> HOW CAN YOU BLAME REPUBLICANS >> HOW CAN YOU BLAME REPUBLICANS IN WASHINGTON FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN WASHINGTON FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN ALABAMA? IN ALABAMA? >> HE CAME OUT ON SUNDAY MORNING >> HE CAME OUT ON SUNDAY MORNING ON NATIONAL TV AND SAID I'M NOT ON NATIONAL TV AND SAID I'M NOT VOTING FOR ROY MOORE. VOTING FOR ROY MOORE. McCONNELL WAS THE GUY -- IT IS McCONNELL WAS THE GUY -- IT IS THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT THAT DUMPED ALL THIS STUFF TO THAT DUMPED ALL THIS STUFF TO THE WASHINGTON POST THAT TURNED THE WASHINGTON POST THAT TURNED AGAINST HIM WHEN THEIR CANDIDATE AGAINST HIM WHEN THEIR CANDIDATE GOT SMOKED IN THE PRIMARY. GOT SMOKED IN THE PRIMARY. SO IT WAS THE REPUBLICAN SO IT WAS THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT THAT SAID FROM DAY ESTABLISHMENT THAT SAID FROM DAY ONE, WE'RE NOT ONLY GOING TO ONE, WE'RE NOT ONLY GOING TO SUPPORT ROY MOORE, THEY WERE SUPPORT ROY MOORE, THEY WERE MEETING TO UNSEAT ROY MOORE AND MEETING TO UNSEAT ROY MOORE AND UNSEAT HIM IF HE WON. UNSEAT HIM IF HE WON. THAT WAS THE REPUBLICAN THAT WAS THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT TURNING AGAINST ESTABLISHMENT TURNING AGAINST HIM. HIM. >> HOW MUCH MONEY DOES YOUR >> HOW MUCH MONEY DOES YOUR GROUP HAVE? GROUP HAVE? >> WE'VE RAISED, YOU KNOW, QUITE >> WE'VE RAISED, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT OF MONEY. A BIT OF MONEY. WE MADE A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE WE MADE A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE FILM. FILM. I HAVE A 25 PERSON STAFF. I HAVE A 25 PERSON STAFF. WE RUN A WAR ROOM EVERY DAY. WE RUN A WAR ROOM EVERY DAY. WE DO TALKING POINTS. WE DO TALKING POINTS. >> $5 MILLION? >> $5 MILLION? >> OVER $5 MILLION, YES. >> OVER $5 MILLION, YES. >> OVER $10 MILLION. >> OVER $10 MILLION. >> I DON'T WANT TO PUT A >> I DON'T WANT TO PUT A SPECIFIC NUMBER ON IT. SPECIFIC NUMBER ON IT. >> IS IT FAIR TO SAY BETWEEN $5 >> IS IT FAIR TO SAY BETWEEN $5 MILLION AND $10 MILLION. MILLION AND $10 MILLION. >> WE HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES >> WE HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES POURING IN FROM DO NORS AND WE POURING IN FROM DO NORS AND WE WILL START A SMALL DO NOR WILL START A SMALL DO NOR PROGRAM. PROGRAM. I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM GETTING RESOURCES. GETTING RESOURCES. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS WITH YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS WITH BREITBART OR DOING OTHER THINGS. BREITBART OR DOING OTHER THINGS. >> YOU'RE ALSO VERY RICH AND YOU >> YOU'RE ALSO VERY RICH AND YOU KNOW A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE. KNOW A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE. >> I HAVE HAD A PRETTY GOOD RUN >> I HAVE HAD A PRETTY GOOD RUN AND I KNOW SOME HIGH NET WORTH AND I KNOW SOME HIGH NET WORTH INDIVIDUALS. INDIVIDUALS. >> WHO IS FUNDING THIS GROUP? >> WHO IS FUNDING THIS GROUP? >> PRIVATE DO NORNORSDONORS. >> PRIVATE DO NORNORSDONORS. >> WHY NOT TELL PEOPLE WHO THEY >> WHY NOT TELL PEOPLE WHO THEY ARE? ARE? THE LAW ALLOWS YOU TO GO PUBLIC THE LAW ALLOWS YOU TO GO PUBLIC OR PRIVATE. OR PRIVATE. >> IF DO NORNORS WANT TO COME >> IF DO NORNORS WANT TO COME FORWARD, THEY CAN. FORWARD, THEY CAN. I THINK YOU WOULD SAY THAT WE I THINK YOU WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE VERY MUCH FOCUSSED ON -- ARE VERY MUCH FOCUSSED ON -- WE'RE THE CHINA HAWK, C4. WE'RE THE CHINA HAWK, C4. I'M VERY UP FRONT ON WHAT THE I'M VERY UP FRONT ON WHAT THE SITUATION IS WITH CHINA AND SITUATION IS WITH CHINA AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT BACK THIS THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT BACK THIS THAT ARE CHINA HAWKS. THAT ARE CHINA HAWKS. >> FOR THEM, THEY WANT TO MAKE >> FOR THEM, THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF WHAT COMES OFF OF MONEY OFF OF WHAT COMES OFF OF THESE ELECTIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR THESE ELECTIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR POSITIONS WITH CHINA. POSITIONS WITH CHINA. >> NO, NO, NO. >> NO, NO, NO. IT IS BECAUSE OF THEIR PAY IT IS BECAUSE OF THEIR PAY PATRIOTISM. PATRIOTISM. >> IS THERE ANYONE YOU WOULD NOT >> IS THERE ANYONE YOU WOULD NOT TAKE MONEY FROM? TAKE MONEY FROM? >> WELL, I WOULD NOT TAKE MONEY >> WELL, I WOULD NOT TAKE MONEY FROM FOREIGNERS, RIGHT? FROM FOREIGNERS, RIGHT? I'M PRETTY SELECTIVE ABOUT WHO I I'M PRETTY SELECTIVE ABOUT WHO I TAKE MONEY FROM. TAKE MONEY FROM. I HAVE ALWAYS HAD GREAT I HAVE ALWAYS HAD GREAT PARTNERS. PARTNERS. BUT I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM BUT I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM RAISING MONEY. RAISING MONEY. I THINK YOU HAVE SEEN I THINK YOU HAVE SEEN PARTICULARLY IN WALL STREET AND PARTICULARLY IN WALL STREET AND OTHERS YOU SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE OTHERS YOU SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME FROM BLUE COLLAR THAT COME FROM BLUE COLLAR BACKGROUNDS THAT LIKE THIS BACKGROUNDS THAT LIKE THIS POPULISM, THAT LIKE THE TRUMP POPULISM, THAT LIKE THE TRUMP PROGRAM THAT ARE PRETTY PROGRAM THAT ARE PRETTY SUPPORTIVE. SUPPORTIVE. >> YOUR CRITICS SAY YOU TALK A >> YOUR CRITICS SAY YOU TALK A LOT OF SMACK ABOUT WALL STREET LOT OF SMACK ABOUT WALL STREET BUT THEN YOU ARE FUNDED BY WALL BUT THEN YOU ARE FUNDED BY WALL STREET. STREET. >> NOT FUNDED BY WALL STREET BUT >> NOT FUNDED BY WALL STREET BUT CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. >> YOU TOLD ME IT INCLUDES >> YOU TOLD ME IT INCLUDES PEOPLE WITH A POSITION IN CHINA PEOPLE WITH A POSITION IN CHINA IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID. IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID. >> PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND OUR >> PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND OUR POSITION IN CHINA, PEOPLE THAT POSITION IN CHINA, PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE THE CHINA UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE THE CHINA HAWKS. HAWKS. >> THE QUESTION YOU UNDERSTAND, >> THE QUESTION YOU UNDERSTAND, THOUGH, IS HOW DO YOU TAKE ON THOUGH, IS HOW DO YOU TAKE ON WALL STREET IF YOU ARE FUNDED BY WALL STREET IF YOU ARE FUNDED BY WALL STREET. WALL STREET. >> INDIVIDUALS ON WALL STREET, >> INDIVIDUALS ON WALL STREET, SOME OF THE BIGGEST GUYS ON WALL SOME OF THE BIGGEST GUYS ON WALL STREET ARE QUITE ANTI THE ANTICS STREET ARE QUITE ANTI THE ANTICS THAT WALL STREET HAS BEEN UP TO. THAT WALL STREET HAS BEEN UP TO. YOU KNOW WHAT THE GAME IS. YOU KNOW WHAT THE GAME IS. JUST BECAUSE YOU MADE SOME MONEY JUST BECAUSE YOU MADE SOME MONEY ON WALL STREET OR JUST BECAUSE ON WALL STREET OR JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN A HEDGE YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN A HEDGE FUND DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T KNOW FUND DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRACTICES OF WALL WHAT THE PRACTICES OF WALL STREET ARE. STREET ARE. IN FACT, I THINK IT'S BEEN A IN FACT, I THINK IT'S BEEN A GREAT WAY FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT GREAT WAY FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE BLUE COLLAR, COME FROM BLUE ARE BLUE COLLAR, COME FROM BLUE COLLAR BACKGROUNDS TO GET AHEAD. COLLAR BACKGROUNDS TO GET AHEAD. >> THE MAIN PIECE OF ECONOMIC >> THE MAIN PIECE OF ECONOMIC LEGISLATION THAT HAS BEEN PASSED LEGISLATION THAT HAS BEEN PASSED IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS THE TAX BILL. THE TAX BILL. MOST OF THOSE BENEFITS GO TO THE MOST OF THOSE BENEFITS GO TO THE VERY WEALTHY. VERY WEALTHY. IS THAT A MISTAKE? IS THAT A MISTAKE? >> HANG ON A SECOND. >> HANG ON A SECOND. THE CENTRAL PART OF THE TAX BILL THE CENTRAL PART OF THE TAX BILL WAS ALSO THE CORPORATE TAX BILL WAS ALSO THE CORPORATE TAX BILL TO MAKE SURE WE WERE COMPETITIVE TO MAKE SURE WE WERE COMPETITIVE WITH GERMANY AND CHINA. WITH GERMANY AND CHINA. IF YOU LOOK AT MANUFACTURING IF YOU LOOK AT MANUFACTURING COMING BACK HERE, IT IS PART AND COMING BACK HERE, IT IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE SITUATION WE'RE IN PARCEL OF THE SITUATION WE'RE IN WITH THE TARIFFS, THE ECONOMIC WITH THE TARIFFS, THE ECONOMIC PACKAGE AND THE TAX PACKAGE, PACKAGE AND THE TAX PACKAGE, THAT WAS THE CENTRAL PART OF IT. THAT WAS THE CENTRAL PART OF IT. >> ARE YOU GLOBAL? >> ARE YOU GLOBAL? >> NOT GLOBALLY. >> NOT GLOBALLY. I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED HERE. HERE. WHAT HAPPENED HERE IN WHAT HAPPENED HERE IN MANUFACTURING JOBS COMING BACK. MANUFACTURING JOBS COMING BACK. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE GOT SUCH THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE GOT SUCH ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THE COUNTRY. ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THE COUNTRY. ONE OF THE REASONS IS THE TAX ONE OF THE REASONS IS THE TAX BILL. BILL. NOW, I WASN'T TOTALLY -- I NOW, I WASN'T TOTALLY -- I DIDN'T ACTUALLY LOVE SOME OF THE DIDN'T ACTUALLY LOVE SOME OF THE THINGS ON THE INDEX. THINGS ON THE INDEX. WALL STREET JOURNAL REPORTED IN WALL STREET JOURNAL REPORTED IN THE IN THE OVAL OFFICE. THE IN THE OVAL OFFICE. I LOST THAT FIGHT. I LOST THAT FIGHT. NOT THAT THAT CAN'T BE NOT THAT THAT CAN'T BE RE-ADDRESSED SOMETIME IN THE RE-ADDRESSED SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. FUTURE. >> WHEN YOU SEE 83% GOING TO THE >> WHEN YOU SEE 83% GOING TO THE TOP 1%, IS THAT TOO MUCH? TOP 1%, IS THAT TOO MUCH? >> I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS >> I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH CORPORATE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH CORPORATE AMERICA IS THAT CORPORATE AMERICA IS THAT CORPORATE AMERICA IS BECOMING MORE AMERICA IS BECOMING MORE COMPETITIVE AND WE'RE REPATRIOTS COMPETITIVE AND WE'RE REPATRIOTS TO COME BACK HERE AND INVEST IN TO COME BACK HERE AND INVEST IN THE UNITED STATES. THE UNITED STATES. I THINK IT IS ABOUT I THINK IT IS ABOUT MANUFACTURING JOBS. MANUFACTURING JOBS. IF YOU LOOK AT PRESIDENT'S IF YOU LOOK AT PRESIDENT'S TRUMP'S OVER ALL AGAIN DARKSENDA TRUMP'S OVER ALL AGAIN DARKSENDA WORKING. WORKING. >> THE PRESIDENT WENT TO >> THE PRESIDENT WENT TO MAR-A-LAGO AND TOLD PEOPLE THE MAR-A-LAGO AND TOLD PEOPLE THE TAX BILL, QUOTE, YOU ALL JUST TAX BILL, QUOTE, YOU ALL JUST GOT A LOT RICHER. GOT A LOT RICHER. IS THAT YOUR POPULISM? IS THAT YOUR POPULISM? >> I THINK POPULISM, WHEN YOU >> I THINK POPULISM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PRESIDENT TRUMP, IS LOOK AT PRESIDENT TRUMP, IS ABOUT HIS ENTIRE PROGRAM. ABOUT HIS ENTIRE PROGRAM. THIS TAX CUT WAS FOCUSSED ON THIS TAX CUT WAS FOCUSSED ON INDUSTRIAL TAX CUT. INDUSTRIAL TAX CUT. IT WAS TO MAKE THE MANUFACTURING IT WAS TO MAKE THE MANUFACTURING SIDE OF THIS COUNTRY STRONGER. SIDE OF THIS COUNTRY STRONGER. WE HAD THE 100%, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE 100%, YOU KNOW, WRITE-OFF OF CAPITAL WRITE-OFF OF CAPITAL EXPENDITURE. EXPENDITURE. THIS WAS ALL ABOUT REBUILDING THIS WAS ALL ABOUT REBUILDING THE MANUFACTURING BASE. THE MANUFACTURING BASE. AM I TOTALLY EXCITED ABOUT EVERY AM I TOTALLY EXCITED ABOUT EVERY ASPECT OF THE TAX BILL? ASPECT OF THE TAX BILL? NOT THAT EXCITED. NOT THAT EXCITED. REMEMBER, I WAS A BIG SUPPORTER REMEMBER, I WAS A BIG SUPPORTER OF PAUL RYAN'S BORDER OF PAUL RYAN'S BORDER ADJUSTABILITY TAX AND THAT ADJUSTABILITY TAX AND THAT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. SO WE WENT TO PLAN B.
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