I understand you are a Star Trek fan.

Absolutely.

That certainly was a show inspired.

A utopian future inspired by technology.

I'm curious.

What about that show shaped your vision of an optimistic future?

I I was a sucker for Star Trek when I was a kid, even though when you look back, I think they're only 20 episodes.

They just looked over and over again.

But they're always fun to watch what made the show.

I think lasting Waas.

It wasn't actually about technology.

It was about values and human relationships.

And which is why it didn't matter, that the special effects were kind of cheesy and bad.

Yeah, are they land on the planet?

And remember, Is all this paper machine boulders?

But it didn't matter because it was really talking about a notion of common humanity and confidence in our ability to solve problems.

Um, and have the recent movie, I think, captured with the same spirit the Martian I mentioned that is my favorite movie last year because it had a hugely complicated plot.

But it showed a bunch of different people just trying to solve a problem and employing creativity and grit and hard work and having confidence that if it's out there, we can figure it out.

And I do think that what I love most about America, this country, why it continues to attract people from all around the world.

For all the challenges that we face is bad spirit of what we can figure this out.

And and what I value most about science is this notion that we can figure this out.

Well, we're gonna try this.

If it doesn't work, we're gonna figure out why it didn't work.

And then we're gonna try something else.

And we will revel in our mistakes because that is gonna teach us how to ultimately crack the code on the thing that we're trying to solve.

And if we ever lose that spirit, then uh, then we're gonna, I think, lose what's essential about America and what I think is essential about being human thing.

The only thing I would add, I totally agree.

I love the optimism, but I also think that it's amazingly the federation's very diverse cruise.

Very diverse, since a bunch of diverse group of people and the bad guys aren't usually evil, they're just misguided or broken and So.

So It's a much more optimistic view of humans as well, you know, And then a lot of shows that are about superheroes or evil and the struggles are are kind of one wonderfully sort of balance.

I think that's right.

I think Star Trek, like any good story, says that we're all complicated.

We all got a little bit of spot and a little bit of hurt, a little bit of Scotty, and maybe some cling on in this room.

But, um, but this is what I mean about figuring it out.

Part of figuring it out is being able to work across barriers or differences.

Um, and there's a certain faith in rationality tempered by some humility, which is true of the best start in the best science and, uh, the best literature, a sense that you possess the these incredible minds that way should use, and we're still just scratching the surface on him.