I had the great pleasure.

Spending some time with your family with your mom and your mom is such a social person, and I mean immediately, you cannot.

There's no such thing as talking to your mom.

For 30 seconds.

You start talking to your mom, and the next thing you know, 20 minutes have gone by and it's been delightful.

I can't Is your mom making it through this period without all that social connection?

You know what?

She could be social when she has to, but she is perfectly content on her own.

I mean, the other day I call her and I'm like, How you doing?

She's like, I'm surprisingly fine.

Maybe something's wrong with me, but I'm perfectly happy not seeing people.

She kind of questioned it, but she's a little routine going on.

Andi, She's been good.

I think she's been doing some mild, safe social distancing with relatives, you know, outside things like that.

So it's kept her focused.

So she is doing well.

Thank you.

She is the I think, the least affected person I've ever met by this historic change that happened in her life.

when I would.

When I talked to her, she was just had this attitude like, Well, I'm here now, living in the White House because that's what's going on now.

E mean, it was really incredible.

And she had No, there was no sense that it changed her in any way.

Oh, my God.

No, no.

I mean, she has played a pivotal role in keeping us all grounded.

She is just not impressed with anything.

Um, not much of anything.

The funniest thing is, like when we were in the White House and we do these fabulous, you know, international trips.

Um, and I it was always, like, pulling teeth to get her to go.

You know, we're going to China, Ma.

Um, it's like, why would I want to go to China?

The Great Wall history, you know, part of the, you know, you want to go to the Vatican, see the pope.

It's like I think I did not meet the pope once before.

Why would I want to go back?

Thio room, then I've seen it.

It's like you might wanna see it again.

So it was a He's a level of just sort of telling you.

This is kind of a big deal.

You might want to be a part of it.

But the one thing that would always get her to say yes was if I said the girls really want you to come that like, Oh, okay.

Well, if the girls want me to come, then of course I'll come for them, right?

She's a true she Still, I always got the sense I got the sense from your book and I also got the sense from hanging around a little bit with your brother, Craig, that that he's the favorite.

And you think, What do you have to do?

What do you have to do?

You are known throughout the world.

You are an iconic figure, and she's still like, Yeah, pretty good.

But But, Craig, you gotta get Greg the apple of her.

I mean, he's my favorite to, um he's actually a very sweet, sweet brother, tohave, But no, it's like she couldn't get him.

He couldn't get her to do anything.

Even moving into the White House, I wrote I was like, I couldn't convince her to come.

So I had to call Craig and tell her, Craig, you gotta make Mom come to the White House.

We need her.

She's like, Oh, course.

Great.

Thinks it's a good idea.

So, yeah, you know, big brother mothers and their sons, you know me.

She loves me deeply that I know.

But I think we've all concluded that even his his own wife, his own kids, they know.

Well, if you want Grandma to do something like Greg call well, you use your brother to you use you.

I heard you say that.

You you got your brother to sort of check out.

You're, you know, boyfriend at the time, President Obama.

And to see, Like what?

How is he on the basketball court?

Like, analyze him for me?

Because you thought that that might tell you something about his character?

Absolutely.

I mean, we're we have always been a big sports family.

We, you know, my brother played tons of sports played, you know, it was all ivy, and basketball was a big part of our lives.

And my father believed you could tell a lot about a person by how they behaved on a team.

And I agreed with this.

So I thought, you know, I was dating him starting to get serious.

I was introducing him to the family, and you know how people can they show up well for your family?

But what did they do when the stakes are really high?

What happens on the court?

So he took him out to play a pickup game, and the the reports were obviously good because he stayed in my life.

Wasn't a ball hog.

Hey, said he was good without being cocky.

He wasn't afraid to pass the ball.

Andi.

He didn't do on the court what he couldn't do, like he didn't try to dunk or that he clearly couldn't do so.

All in all, it was a good report, and it has wound up being he's been pretty.

Barack has been pretty consistent, you know?

Sure.

This character, as we can see, is our nation's leader.

Yeah, he's pretty honest shooter.

Yeah, First of all, I'm very glad he had a good game that day.

I knows how history would be different.

Second, it occurs to me that if, uh if my the women in my life had judged me on my basketball progress, I would be a 57 year old virgin, right now.

So a basket didn't all that height.

My God.

Well, with great with great height does not come.

Great coordination.

I hate to tell you.

Well, you have their things.

Tell me what they are at some point because I don't know we're here.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We'll leave it at that smile.

Um, wicked witch.

Yeah.

There we go.

There we go.

Thank you.

Basketball.

Who needs that?

You're right.

I don't need that.