It's great to see you too.

Yeah.

I want to say this out loud, your hair looks cute.

You think it's cute? You like it.

It's adorable.

Thank you.

It's really.

That side flip. You can do that flip.

There you go.

And I can swoon,

What I want to do is keep growing it

till it's like down to here.

And I want to do that thing.

That would be so much fun.

Make sure you invite me back on when that happens.

(laughing)

I see women do it in reality shows all the time,

they do this.

Yes.

Yeah, you want to be able to do that?

You're getting close.

I'm getting there.

First of all, you look fantastic as you always do.

And I'm curious,

first question I ask everybody these days

is how are you guys holding up during the pandemic?

What's the Obama routine?

What is you as a family,

'cause I know you're all holed up together.

What do you do?

Well, we've kind of had phases of COVID.

There was sort of the early stages

where we were all excited to be together

and we were being all organized,

and we would spend the days apart doing our respective work.

The girls were still in classes in the spring.

And so we would be working and then doing a little exercise,

then come together in the evenings

and we would have these activities.

We'd have cocktails.

And then we would work puzzles

and play games,

Barack taught the girls how to play spades.

Oh, really?

Good.

We actually had some organized things,

like we had an art exhibit day

where we all went off and did like watercolor paintings

and then we showed it.

Now kind of this was in the early stages.

Yes, I'm familiar.

There was a period,

I know that we are going to say,

there was a period of about a month or two,

maybe two and a half months,

of isn't this a rare opportunity for all of us

to enjoy each other's company as a family.

Then that went away.

That went away, and it started,

I think first our kids got a little sick of us.

Which was fine, 'cause we were pretty much sick of them.

And so the summer started happening

and then we could be outside a little bit more.

And we came to the vineyard where we still are

and so they have more room to roam around.

[Conan] Yeah. (indistinct)

that was good because it helped us break it up.

And now the kids are back in Zoom land with classes,

they're doing it remotely and they are no longer thrilled

about being with us.

No, no. So (static audio) periodically

for grunt.

(laughing)

How about you and your husband?

Are there moments where you're thinking we all...

We tend to put figures like yourselves and your husband

up on a pedestal and we forget

that you too can have moments of Oh, it's that guy.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

We've talked about this.

Yeah.

The thing Barack was finishing his book

as it was just announced

that his books are going to be published after the election.

So he actually spent most of the summer locked away

writing the book.

So he's had limited time to get on my nerves,

but then he sort of has gotten on my nerves

because I haven't seen him enough.

He can't win.

He can't win, he can't win.

We all know that.

We know that we can't win and we got it.

I would think you would have some sense of,

Hey, excuse me, guy.

I wrote my book a long time ago.

Huge hit, massive, massive hit,

huge book tour.

What's taking you so long?

Do you ever get to do that to him?

Well, his book is a little bigger, a little more,

little more historical as he would say,

but yeah, we've managed,

we're still together

and he's still alive.

(laughing)

That is the perfect sign that we're making it through

I think I would have read about it somewhere

if you two had split up.

(laughing)