DR. MICHAEL ERIC DYSON!

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) HOW ARE YOU, MICHAEL?

ARE YOU WELL?

>> I'M DOING FINE, BROTHER JAMES.

ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE YOU AND HANG OUT WITH YOU A BIT, MY MAN.

>> James: IT'S ALWAYS LOVELY TO SEE YOU AND I'VE LOVED OUR

TEXT AND EXCHANGES THE FIRST TIME YOU WERE BACK ON THE SHOW

AND WE WERE SO KEEN TO GET YOU HERE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AN

INCREDIBLE WEEK, WITH MANY TWISTS AND TURNS IN THIS

ELECTION.

WHAT'S IT BEEN LIKE FOR YOU WATCHING EVERYTHING UNFOLD THIS

WEEK?

>> YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY NAILS LEFT BUT I'M TRYING TO EAT WHAT

I HAVE LEFT.

IT'S BEEN AN EXTRAORDINARY LESSON -- CIVICS LESSON FOR SO

MANY PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALIZE THIS IS HOW IT ALL GOES DOWN

BECAUSE WE ARE HYPERFOCUSED RIGHT NOW, WE'RE VERY NERVOUS.

THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE, THERE'S A CIVIL WAR GOING ON, THE

BATTLEFIELD IS THE SOUL OF AMERICA.

THE POLITICS ARE HIGHLY PITCHED.

THE IDEOLOGIES ARE HIGHLY CONTESTED, AND PEOPLE ARE

FEELING VERY SANCTION AND YET, AT THE SAME TIME, FOR THE MOST

PART, THIS IS WHAT GOES ON EVERY TIME.

IT TAKES SEVERAL DAYS TO A WEEK TO STEAMS TWO WEEKS -- SOMETIMES

TWO WEEKS, PEOPLE FIGURING THE VOTES OUT, BUT USUALLY SOMEBODY

HAS CONCEDED, SOMEBODY HAS CLAIMED VICTORY AND WE CAN MOVE

ON.

NOW BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH AT STAKE, PEOPLE ARE RATHER MORE

ANXIOUS ABOUT THE OUTCOME AND INVESTED IN A WAY WE'RE NOT

USUSUALLY SEEING AT LEAST OVER T LAST 20 YEARS.

>> James: YOU TWEETED YESTERDAY A BRILLIENT TWEET ON

BEHALF OF BLACK PEOPLE EVERYWHERE, YOU'RE WELCOME,

AMERICA, WHICH I LOVE.

>> YEAH.

>> James: EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IMPORTANT THE BLACK VOTE HAS

BEEN IN THIS ELECTION.

>> OH, IT'S BEEN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

THE BLACK VOTE HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THROUGH SO

MANY ELECTIONS BUT RARELY ACKNOWLEDGED, BARELY RECOGNIZED,

EVEN AMONG, QUITE FRANKLY, THE DEMOCRATS, TO WHOM BLACK PEOPLE

ARE RELIABLY COMMITTED AND LOYAL.

BUT THERE'S BEEN A NEGLIGENCE ON THE PART OF THE REPUBLICANS AND

A KIND OF TAKING FOR GRANTED ON THE PARTS TO HAVE THE DEMOCRATS,

BUT THIS ELECTION SHOWED US, LOOK AT THE BIG STATES.

YOU HAD MICHIGAN, DETROIT'S POPULATION IS 79% BLACK.

THEY WERE THE KEY VOTER THERE.

LOOK AT GEORGIA, ATLANTA IS 52% BLACK.

LOOK AT PENNSYLVANIA, PHILADELPHIA IS 42% BLACK.

AND LOOK AT WISCONSIN, MILWAUKEE IS 39% BLACK.

WHEN YOU PUT THAT IN AGGREGATE ALONG WITH THE FACT BLACK WOMEN

BLEW IT OUT OF THE WATER VOTING IN THE HIGH 90s FOR THIS

TICKET AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN PEOPLE IN GENERAL WERE DEEPLY

COMMITTED TO IT DESPITE THE VOTER SUPPRESSION, THE ATTEMPTS

TO HAVE ROBO CALLS TO DISSUADE THEM OR MISINFORMATION AND THE

ATTEMPTS BY MANY GOVERNORS OF SOUTHERN CITIES TO SUPPRESS THE

VOTE AND THROW PEOPLE OFF THE ROLLS, DESPITE ALL THAT, WE

SHOWED UP AND SHOWED OUT AND DID AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB.

AND BLACK WOMEN IN PARTICULAR HAVE BEEN USED TO SAVING THIS

DEMOCRACY AND THE BLACK VOTE DID IT AGAIN.

>> James: AS FROM THE MOMENT WE'RE TAPING,

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN IS WINNING IN GEORGIA, A STATE THAT HASN'T

VOTED BLUE SINCE I THINK 1992.

>> RIGHT.

>> James: IT FEELS INCREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT TO ME.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ROLE STACEY ABAMS HAS PLAYED.

>> STACEY ABRAMS HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE.

EVEN THOUGH SHE DEFLECTS ATTENTION UPON HERSELF, SHE HAS

BEEN EXTRAORDINARY.

SHE HAN FOR GOVERNOR LAST TIME AROUND, THE SITTING SECRETARY OF

STATE IN AN UNCONSCIONABLE SITUATION, PURGED SOMETHING LIKE

500,000 PEOPLE OFF THE GEORGIA VOTING ROLES, A DISPROPORTION

THAT NUMBER OF WHOM ARE BLACK, AND STACEY ABRAMS, WHEN SHE LOST

BY A RAZOR MARGIN, SAID I'M NOT GOING TO CRY IN MY BEER OR CRY

OVER SPILLED MILK, I'M GOING TO ACTIVATE, I'M GOING TO BECOME AN

ORGANIZER.

NOT ONLY DID SHE RESTORE 500,000 PEOPLE, SHE ADDED ANOTHER

300,000 IN TERMS OF REGISTERING TO VOTE FOR AN AGGREGATE OF

800,000 PEOPLE.

SHE DID THIS IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

THE GROUND GAME WAS EXTRAORDINARY AND SHE WAS

WORKING DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

THIS IS NOT THE SEXY STUFF.

THIS IS NOT APPEARING ON TELEVISION.

THIS IS NOT MAKING SPEECHES.

THIS IS NOT ORGANIZING PEOPLE IN THE SPOTLIGHT.

THIS IS THE UNSEXY, EVERYDAY WORK OF TRYING TO GET PEOPLE

TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN GET REGISTERED TO VOTE.

SO IN THAT SENSE SHE WAS CARRYING FORWARD ANOTHER PERSON

IN HER STATE THE GREAT JOHN LEWIS WHO DIED THIS YEAR, AND

ISN'T IT INTERESTING AND WOULDN'T IT BE REMARKABLE THAT

IT WOULD BECOME GEORGIA, AND IT'S NOW ABOUT WHAT, 4,000

SOME -- 4,000 VOTES THAT MR. BIDEN IS AHEAD, WOULDN'T IT

BE INTERESTING THAT GEORGIA WOULD PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE

WITH THE DEATH OF JOHN LEWIS WHO LITERALLY GOT BEATEN AND NEARLY

BEAT TO DEATH FOR TRYING TO VOTE, SACRIFICING HIS BODY LIMB

BY LIMB TO MAKE SURE THAT BLACK PEOPLE COULD VOTE AND NOW THIS

OUTCOME IS ESPECIALLY DELICIOUS AND EXTRAORDINARILY UPLIFTING.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> James: IT REALLY IS.

I MEAN, IN AMONGST THIS WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON WITH TRUMP

AND THE VOTE COUNTS AND WHEN WILL IT BE CALLED AND ALL THESE

THINGS, IT FEELS SOMEHOW THAT -- THAT WE'RE MISSING THE FACT THAT

WE MIGHT HAVE THE FIRST FEMALE AND PERSON OF COLOR

VICE PRESIDENT EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.

IS THIS -- DID YOU EVER EXPECT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN IN YOUR

LIFETIME?

>> I MEAN, FIRST, WE HAD BARACK OBAMA.

WE NEVER EXPECTED THAT.

BUT TO SEE A BLACK WOMAN IN A POSITION OF SUCH EXTRAORDINARY

AUTHORITY -- NOW, JAMES CORDEN, I'M A BLACK MAN.

THAT MEANS BLACK WOMEN ALREADY RUN MY LIFE.

SO I'M USED TO WHAT AMERICA IS GOING TO GET USED TO, THAT BLACK

WOMEN WITH POISE, DECENCY AND EXCELLENCE AND SPIRIT WILL

EXERCISE A LEVEL OF AUTHORITY.

AND KAMALA HARRIS I HAVE KNOWN FOR YEARS AND YEARS, AND TO HAVE

THE FIRST BLACK AND SOUTHEAST ASIAN WOMAN AS PART OF OUR

AMERICAN POLITICAL ORDER, THAT SHE HAS ASCENDED THIS HIGH INTO

THE AMERICAN CASTE IS A REMARKABLE THING AND I THINK SHE

WILL PROVIDE, I THINK, INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP AND PROVE

TO BE A WORTHY SUPPORTER FOR HOPEFULLY AND I THINK WE CAN

PREDICT IT WILL BE THE CASE THAT JOE BIDEN WILL BE THE PRESIDENT

OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

( APPLAUSE ) >> James: THERE'S SO MUCH TO

FEEL OPTIMISTIC ABOUT IN EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, AND I

KNOW THAT YOU'VE MET PRESIDENT TRUMP BEFORE, AND I'M

INTERESTED TO KNOW IF YOU COULD GET FIVE MINUTES WITH HIM NOW,

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO HIM IN THIS MOMENT RIGHT NOW?

>> I WOULD SAY, SIR, DESPITE YOUR MANIFEST GIFTS OF

COMMUNICATION, AND WHAT EVERYONE CAN SAY ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, THE

ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE HIS IDEAL AND TO GALVANIZE HIS BASE AND TO

MOTIVE THEM, EVEN IF TO HORRIBLE EFFECT AND DELETERIOUS

CONSEQUENCE, THE POINT IS HE HAS GOT THOSE GIFTS.

I WOULD SAY TO HIM, SIR, YOU WASTED SO MUCH TIME.

YOU WERE A BIRTHER AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA.

YOU HAVE SAID HORRIBLE THINGS AGAINST AFRICAN COUNTRIES AND

CARIBBEAN COUNTRIES.

YOU HAVE DEMONIZED THE OTHER.

YOU HAVE TURNED THIS COUNTRY INTO A HORRIBLE CESSPOOL OF

BIGOTRY.

YOU HAVE STOOD UP EVERY MORNING TO EXCRETE THE FECES OF YOUR

MORAL DEPRAVITY.

>>> AT THIS INTO A NATION YOU'VE TURNED INTO YOUR PSYCHIC

COMMODE, AND HOW TRAGIC THAT IS.

YOU HAVE TAKEN THIS GREAT LEGACY OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND USED

IT AS A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR PERSONAL ENRICHMENT AND FOR THE

ENLARGEMENT OF YOUR EGO.

THIS IS NOT WHAT GREAT LEADERS DO.

AND THE REASON I STOOD IN PLACE TO SUPPORT JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA

HARRIS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL BRING AND RESTORE TO

AMERICAN DEMOCRACY A DECENCY AND A RESPECT FOR THE OTHER, AND

THEY WON'T USE THEIR BULLY PULPIT TO BEAT UP ON THE TRUMP

SUPPORTERS.

WE ARE DIVIDED AS A NATION.

WE HAVE HORRIBLE CIVIL WARS GOING ON RIGHT WHERE WE ARE.

THE POINT IS NOT TO POINT TO THEM AND SAY, AH-HA, YOU BIGOTS,

YOU WERE STIGMATIZING PEOPLE OF COLOR.

NO, LET'S FIND THE RESOURCES TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.

LET'S OVERCOME THE NASTINESS, THE BITTERNESS AND BELLIGERENCE

AND FORM A NATION.

HOW ABOUT THE MODEL OF AMERICA, E PLURIBUS UNUM, OUT OF MANY

ONE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO, AND I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT

OPPORTUNITY WITH JOE BIDEN AS PRESIDENT AND KAMALA HARRIS AS

VICE PRESIDENT TO DO JUST THAT.

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> James: IT IS ALWAYS SO

ENLIGHTENING TO TALK TO YOU ANYTIME YOU ARE IN OUR ORBIT,

YOU MAKE ALL OF US FEEL A LITTLE LIGHTER, A LITTLE MORE

OPTIMISTIC.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FINDING THE TIME TO TALK TO US TODAY.

WE LOVE IT EVERY TIME YOU'RE ON THE SHOW, AND I HOPE THAT YOU

WILL KEEP COMING BACK AND KEEP COMING BACK.

PROFESSOR THEISSAN'S NEW BOOK, "LONG TIME COMING: RECKONING

WITH RACE IN AMERICA"," IS AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDER RIGHT

NOW.

IT IS MORE THAN WORTHY OF YOUR TIME.

DR. MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, EVERYBODY.

WHEN WE COME BACK, TALKING TO HENRY GOLDING.

STICK AROUND, EVERYONE!