Doc, thank you so much for being with us, Jeremy.

醫生，謝謝你能和我們在一起，傑里米。

Obviously great toe be here and great toe be with you.

很顯然，偉大的腳趾在這裡，偉大的腳趾與你同在。

I'm a big fan is you know, and more importantly, we're talking about some serious stuff, which is why we're here.

我是你的忠實粉絲，更重要的是，我們正在談論一些嚴肅的東西，這就是為什麼我們在這裡。

Look, you've been in the league long time.

你看，你已經在這個聯盟很長一段時間。

Four decades.

四十年了

This is your 10th presidential election.

這是你的第十次總統選舉。

I did the math.

我算過了

You since you entered the n B A.

你既然進入了N B A。

How do you compare the level of engagement in this one in 2020 toe?

在2020年趾高氣揚的時候，你如何比較這其中的參與度？

All of those others, I can combine all those others, maybe other than the first run with President Obama, I was very intense and involved in that one, but way more involved in this one.

所有這些其他的，我可以把所有其他的人結合起來，可能除了第一次和奧巴馬總統一起競選之外，我是非常激烈的，參與了那次競選，但是在這次競選中參與的程度更高。

Um, I think more is at stake.

嗯，我認為更多的是利害關係。

Quite honestly, You know, you would think we got a chance to get the first black president, and that that would be more important or bigger.

老實說，你知道，你會認為我們有機會得到第一個黑人總統， 這將是更重要或更大。

Yet it isn't.

然而卻不是。

This is the biggest election.

這是最大的選舉。

Uh, in my opinion of our lifetime on for for so many reasons, when you were growing up, athletes were engaged, but by the time you got a lead.

呃，在我看來，我們一生中對這麼多的原因，當你成長的時候，運動員都是訂婚的，但是到了你得到了一個線索。

In the eighties, the rule was pretty much stay out of electoral politics.

在80年代，規則是幾乎不參與選舉政治。

What is it like for you as a coach?

作為教練的你是怎樣的？

Now, to see this generation dive in the way it has?

現在，看到這一代人跳水的方式？

I am so proud of our young players of our young people.

我為我們的年輕球員我們的年輕人感到驕傲。

You know, I was in that room in the bubble when we decided not to play.

你知道，當我們決定不玩的時候，我就在那個房間裡的泡泡裡。

They asked me to speak on.

他們請我發言。

It wasn't about me.

這不是關於我的。

It was Mawr.

是毛爾。

We're just watching them work and all the passion and energy that was in that room the first night.

我們只是看著他們的工作和所有的激情和能量，在那個房間的第一個晚上。

Jeremy was real passion.

傑里米是真正的激情。

They wanted to quit.

他們想退出。

They wanted to go home.

他們想回家。

They wanted to protest.

他們想抗議。

They wanted to mark.

他們想標。

They wanted to get involved.

他們想參與進來。

No, but listen, I also challenged them that night too.

不，但聽著，我那天晚上也挑戰了他們。

Is that Listen, if we're gonna talk to talk, we gotta vote.

是這樣嗎？ 聽著，如果我們要談一談，我們就得投票。

We gotta get involved.

我們得參與進來。

We can't be a lead to talked about voting and then don't vote.

我們不能做一個領頭羊，談了投票就不投了。

And so, you know, I think when we came into the bubble, 10% of the league was registered to vote.

所以，你知道，我認為當我們進入保麗龍，聯盟的10％是註冊投票。

By the time we left the bubble, 90% of the league was registered to vote.

當我們離開保麗龍的時候，聯盟90%的人都在登記投票。

What was the significance?

其意義何在？

Um, when When the players did walk out on August 26th.

嗯，當球員們在8月26日走出去的時候。

Yeah, I thought the significance was were twofold.

是的，我認為意義是雙重的。

Number one.

第一。

First we have to come to grips with what we really were.

首先我們要正視自己的真實身份。

And I think a lot of times we believe, like, I'm a coach and people know me and LeBron James is a player, and lots of people know him.

而且我覺得很多時候我們都相信，就像，我是一個教練，大家都知道我，而勒布朗-詹姆斯是一個球員，很多人都知道他。

But how much power do we really have?

但我們到底有多少權力呢？

And and we can't change the world in a day.

而我們也無法在一天之內改變世界。

We can't change policy.

我們不能改變政策。

We're athletes.

我們是運動員。

We're entertainers who have the mic who can get things done.

我們是有麥克風的藝人，能把事情做好。

But you have to come to an agreement on what you have to do.

但你必須就你要做的事情達成一致。

And I thought narrowing the scope was brilliant by our players.

而我認為縮小範圍是我們球員的精彩之處。

But more importantly, they realized, I'm an athlete.

但更重要的是，他們意識到，我是一名運動員。

I need to do my job and be an athlete.

我需要做好自己的工作，做一個運動員。

But then I'm also an American citizen who has the right to get involved in politics because politics are involved in our lives every moment and every day.

但我也是一個美國公民，我有權利參與政治，因為政治每時每刻都在參與我們的生活。

So you can either sit on the sidelines and let them affect you, or you can get involved and our guys have now chosen.

所以，你可以選擇坐視不理，讓他們影響你，也可以參與進來，我們的人現在已經選擇了。

They're gonna get involved.

他們會參與進來的。

What do you think the impact was if there was any of being told?

如果有任何被告知，你覺得會有什麼影響？

Essentially, shut up and dribble.

基本上，閉嘴，運球。

I think it was a profound impact.

我想這是一個深刻的影響。

I thought we were already ignoring that anyway.

我想反正我們已經忽略了這一點。

But I thought that galvanize us also.

但我以為這也會刺激我們。

Think just right now, Jeremy, we're being told not to vote or they're trying to make it hard for us to vote.

傑里米，就在此時此刻，我們被告知不要投票，或者他們想讓我們很難投票。

You don't tell us that you don't tell people that you don't tell the American people that they can't vote or that they're gonna be disenfranchised.

你不告訴我們，你不告訴人們，你不告訴美國人民，他們不能投票，或者他們會被剝奪權利。

So I think it's working in that way as well.

所以我覺得也是這樣的工作方式。

Shut up and dribble.

閉嘴，運球。

No, we won't.

不，我們不會。

We're gonna keep dribbling and we're going to keep talking, and then we're not gonna allow you to vote.

我們要繼續運球，我們要繼續說話，然後我們不會讓你投票。

We're gonna suppress your vote.

我們要壓制你的投票。

No, you're not.

不，你不是。

We're gonna vote.

我們要投票了

We're gonna vote masses.

我們要投票給大眾。

How do you think athletes can maintain what we have seen over the course off the last six?

你認為運動員如何能保持我們在過去6年中看到的情況？

Seven months and especially since May since the killing of George Floyd.

七個月，特別是自5月喬治-弗洛伊德被殺以來。

But something that that does go back over the last few years.

但有些事情，確實要追溯到過去幾年。

Uh, really.

呃，真的。

Um, since the beginning of the black lives matter movement?

嗯，從黑人生命問題運動開始？

Yeah.

是啊。

You know, the key is voting is important, right?

你知道，關鍵是投票很重要吧？

Like we gotta get out and vote and we can change policy by vote.

就像我們要出去投票一樣，我們可以通過投票來改變政策。

The second part is, let's say if we're successful and whatever, whoever we want to win wins, then you gotta make sure you stay engaged with that person in that group to make sure all the things that you have been fighting for for the vote is followed through.

第二部分是，比方說如果我們成功了，不管怎麼樣，我們想贏的人贏了，那麼你要確保你和那個人在那個組裡保持接觸，確保你為投票所爭取的所有事情都能得到落實。

And so the follow through is Justus, important as the vote.

所以跟進的是賈斯德斯，重要的是投票。

And I think the pressure not just athletes, but everyone who votes and whatever candidate they vote for that person gets in.

而且我認為壓力不只是運動員，而是每個人都會投票，不管他們投給那個人的候選人，都會有壓力。

You've got to stay in charge and you got to stay involved.

你得繼續負責，你得繼續參與。

They work for you.

他們為你工作。

I don't think people really get that, but they do.

我想人們並沒有真正明白這一點，但他們明白。

But they only work for you if you tell them that you're gonna stay involved, Doc Rivers.

但只有你告訴他們你會繼續參與，裡弗斯醫生，他們才會為你工作。

It's a pleasure.

很高興見到你

Thank you so much for joining us.

非常感謝你加入我們。

Oh, thanks, Jim.

哦，謝謝，吉姆。

I appreciate it.

我很感激你

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