The list is very short, but the NFL is taking steps, Roger Goodell said Tuesday.

羅傑-古德爾週二表示，名單非常短，但NFL正在採取措施。

The owners have voted to approve two measures.

業主們已經投票通過了兩項措施。

One would expand this year's playoff fields from 14 to 16 teams.

一是將今年的季後賽場次從14支球隊擴大到16支。

The future games are lost because of the coronavirus pandemic.

未來的遊戲因為冠狀病毒大流行而失落。

The second measure would reward teams with draft pick compensation to third round picks if they develop and promote minority coaches and executives.

第二項措施是，如果球隊培養和提拔少數族裔教練和高管，將以選秀權補償獎勵給第三輪選秀權。

Brian Clark back here with us, right?

布萊恩-克拉克又來了，對吧？

I'll start with you.

我先從你開始。

How do you feel about the NFL's minority plan?

你如何看待NFL的少數派計劃？

I think this is the smartest plan.

我認為這是最聰明的計劃。

Actually, I think this is a much better plan then rewarding people for hiring minority coaches or having something like the Rooney rule, where minority coaches get an opportunity to be interviewed because they will continue tohave or be able to make the statement that we interviewed in ex coach was more qualified or such a such coach was the most qualified coach for the position and me talking to many minority coaches, especially last year throughout the coaching cycle.

事實上，我認為這是一個更好的計劃，然後獎勵人們僱用少數族裔教練，或者有類似魯尼規則的東西，少數族裔教練得到面試的機會，因為他們將繼續擁有或能夠做出這樣的聲明：我們在前教練中面試的教練更合格，或者這樣的教練是這個職位最合格的教練，我與許多少數族裔教練交談，特別是去年整個教練週期。

This was the one solution.

這是唯一的解決辦法。

Maybe not necessarily the way the NFL put put this in.

也許不一定是NFL把這個放進去的方式。

But this was the one problem that they all spoke to me about was about the pipeline.

但這是他們都跟我說的一個問題，就是關於管道的問題。

It was about the pipeline that allows Scott Turner and North Turner, uh, toe have jobs for North Turner to get Scott Turner on for the Kyle Shanahan's of the World to get jobs at low levels for the Sean McVeigh's.

這是關於管道，讓斯科特-特納和北特納，呃，趾有工作的北特納讓斯科特-特納上為世界的凱爾-沙納漢的為肖恩-麥克維的低水平的工作。

For even somebody like Jon Gruden, whose sons now a strength coach in the league for him to have the pipeline and the connections to do certain things.

即使是像喬恩・格魯登這樣的人，他的兒子現在是聯盟的力量教練，讓他有管道和關係去做某些事情。

What was happening in an NFL was you weren't getting African Americans or you weren't getting minority on the bottom levels that we're giving, given opportunities to grow that were given opportunities to become quarterback coaches or O.

在NFL發生的事情是你沒有得到非洲裔美國人，或者你沒有得到少數族裔在底層的機會，我們給了，給了他們成長的機會，給了他們成為四分衛教練或O。

C.

C.

S or want given opportunities to become defensive coordinator.

斯或想給機會成為防守協調員。

Because what happens, uh, many times with African American coaches or minority coaches is that they're usually former players that they used to manage your room.

因為很多時候非裔美國人教練或少數族裔教練的情況是，他們通常是前球員，他們曾經管理過你的房間。

It's a wide receiver room that's full of African Americans that's full of black players, and instead of a coach having to deal with those players from a personality standpoint, from a relationship standpoint, they put someone in that room that has played the position that could relate what things are going on but most more than anything, be able to deal with those guys.

這是一個充滿非洲裔美國人的外接手房間，裡面全是黑人球員，而不是一個教練必須從個性的角度，從關係的角度來處理這些球員，他們把一個打過這個位置的人放在那個房間裡，可以體會到事情的真相，但最重要的是，能夠處理這些傢伙。

That's not necessarily seen as an intellectual hires not necessarily seen as a developmental higher.

這不一定被看成是知識性的招聘不一定被看成是發展性的高。

And so I believe doing something like this.

所以我相信做這樣的事情。

No, I also believe that some people are gonna be like, You know what?

不，我也相信，有些人是要去 像，你知道嗎？

Screw those picks.

去他媽的那些選秀權。

I don't really care.

我真的不關心。

I don't have to develop or do anything to get people to that point.

我不需要開發或做任何事情來讓人們達到這個目的。

But at least this is an initiative that says, You know what?

但至少這是個倡議，你知道嗎？

There is a value in that.

這裡面有一個價值。

That is something that is missing.

這是缺少的東西。

And I think just the simple acknowledgement that the pipeline isn't the same, that the pipeline isn't fair.

我認為只是簡單的承認，管道是不一樣的，管道是不公平的。

The African American and minority coaches aren't treated the same from the bottom up is very important from an an awareness standpoint, so hopefully these measures put in will help some of these coaches grow.

非裔美國人和少數族裔的教練從底層來看並沒有得到同樣的待遇，從認識的角度來說是非常重要的，所以希望這些措施的出臺能夠幫助其中的一些教練成長。

This is a good idea, but I need to point out how pathetic it is that you need to reward teams with draft pick compensation to help themselves look at the list of so called minority or non white, Um uh, or Anglican candidates, um, or sorry coaches in the league.

這是一個好主意，但我需要指出，你需要用選秀權補償來獎勵球隊，以幫助自己看看所謂的少數族裔或非白人，嗯嗯，或聖公會候選人，嗯，或對不起聯盟中的教練的名單，這是多麼可悲。

Mike Tomlin, one of the all time great coaches, never had a losing season season, even last year without his quarterback, right?

邁克-湯姆林，史上最偉大的教練之一，即使去年沒有四分衛，也從來沒有輸過一個賽季的賽季，對吧？

Ron Rivera.

羅恩-里維拉

Better than average coach.

比一般教練好。

Look what Flores is doing in in Miami last year.

看看弗洛雷斯去年在邁阿密做了什麼。

Is this the worst team of all time and this year already.

這是史上最差的球隊嗎，今年已經。

Look where they are.

看看他們在哪裡。

It reminds me when the color line was broken in 1947 with Jackie Robinson in the major leagues, you know what happened?

這讓我想起了1947年傑基-羅賓遜在大聯盟中被打破色線的時候，你知道發生了什麼嗎？

They say the color line was broken.

他們說色線被打破了。

It wasn't like the league was integrated.

聯盟又不是一體化的。

You had a few black players, you know who they were.

你有幾個黑人球員，你知道他們是誰。

All stars from the Negro Leagues, All Stars.

黑人聯盟的所有明星，全明星。

And still, there were plenty of all stars from the Negro Leagues who weren't in the major leagues.

而且，還是有很多黑人聯盟的全明星沒有進入大聯盟。

But we're better than so many major leaguers when you have to incentivize teams to help themselves.

但是當你要激勵球隊幫助自己的時候，我們比那麼多大聯盟的人都要好。

What does that mean?

這意味著什麼？

It means there's no incentive to do it now.

這意味著現在沒有動力去做。

Competitively, the NFL has created a situation with a salary cap with parody and all this stuff right where there's very little incentive financially, in fact, for an owner to try toe win the Super Bowl.

從競爭力上來說，NFL已經造成了一種情況，工資帽與模仿和所有這些東西的權利，在經濟上，事實上，一個老闆試圖贏得超級碗的動力非常小。

Really, he's gonna make money any which way the equity is going to increase in the team.

真的，他要以任何方式賺錢，股權要增加球隊。

The TV deal is gonna be great.

這筆電視交易將是偉大的。

That's really more dependent on the market than anything.

這其實更多的是取決於市場，而不是什麼。

No.

不知道

Why does he have toe do his best to win and what it shows up in his hires?

為什麼他要趾夠盡力去贏，這在他的用人上體現了什麼？

Right.

好吧，我知道了

Like if you exclude a 75% of the league is African American, then you would assume that from the coaching ranks, your culling from you know, 75% should be African American, right?

就像如果你排除了聯盟中75%的非裔美國人，那麼你就會認為，從教練隊伍中，你的裁員，你知道，75%應該是非裔美國人，對嗎？

Wouldn't you say, Why would you want to exclude?

你會不會說，你為什麼要排斥？

Even?

甚至？

It was only 50%.

只有50%。

Why would you want to exclude half the population from a pool?

為什麼你要把一半的人排除在一個池子之外？

Half a small?

半小？

You're likely to find half assed many good candidates from for the job.

你很有可能從工作中找到半屁股很多好的候選人。

And yet teams can operate this way, whether it's conscious or unconscious bias along racial lines.

然而團隊卻可以這樣操作，不管是有意識還是無意識的種族偏見。

Teams can operate this way because there's really no incentive for them not to.

團隊可以這樣操作，因為他們真的沒有動力不這樣做。

They're not competitive enough their own personal feelings and how a candidate makes them feel or reminds them of themselves, ISMM or important to them, then winning to the point that like forget about social justice for a second.

他們沒有足夠的競爭力自己的個人感受和候選人如何讓他們感覺到或提醒他們自己，ISMM或對他們來說很重要，然後贏得到喜歡忘記社會正義的程度一秒鐘。

All right, let's just talk football to the point that the league has to say, We'll give you two good draft picks If you would even just put an African American coach in the pipeline.

好吧，讓我們來談談橄欖球吧，聯盟必須說，我們會給你兩個好的選秀權，如果你能讓一個非裔美國人的教練加入。

Yeah, it's a good idea, but it's sad commentary, Even though there's no, there's no disagreement here.

是啊，這是個好主意，但這是悲哀的評論，即使沒有，這裡也沒有分歧。

The fact of the matter is that that's that's exactly what the case is, Max.

事實是... ...情況就是這樣，麥克斯。

Uh, it's sad commentary.

呃，這是悲傷的評論。

It's sad.

真可悲

It's a sad situation because this is what it's called for.

這是一個悲哀的情況，因為這就是所謂的。

I don't know whether or not this is going to remedy the situation, because again, if you're a coach and you know you're getting a job under the guise off of these ramifications being implemented in the event that you don't put you, don't you're not put in a position to succeed that obviously that's going to create this notion, this belief that you're being assisted in order to get to this position and they don't look at themselves.

我不知道這是否會補救這種情況，因為再一次，如果你是一個教練，你知道你得到一個工作的幌子下的這些後果正在實施的事件，你不把你，不你不把在一個位置上成功，很明顯，這將創造這個概念，這個信念，你被協助，以獲得這個位置，他們不看自己。

They don't look at the fact that you know what?

他們不看事實，你知道嗎？

Who?

誰？

You knew your networking, how you cultivated net, you know, resource is and things of that nature may have facilitated things for you.

你知道你的人脈，你怎麼培養網，你知道，資源是和事情的性質可能為你提供了便利。

How the people who look like you see here your same cultural background and what have you assist greatly and you getting toe where you want to get.

像你這樣的人怎麼會在這裡看到你相同的文化背景和什麼，你有很大的幫助，你得到的腳趾你想得到的地方。

Unfortunately, blacks haven't been in that privileged position for quite some time, and I think, more importantly than anything else you're seeing re treads on, that's really what where things resonate with you.

不幸的是，黑人還沒有在這個特權的位置相當長的一段時間，我認為，更重要的是比任何其他你看到的重新踩，這真的是什麼地方的東西與你共鳴。

Nobody has a problem with Sean Payton's with the Andy Reid's with the Bill Belichick of the world.

沒有人對肖恩-佩頓的與安迪-裡德的與世界上的比爾-貝利奇克有意見。

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感謝您在YouTube上觀看ESPN的體育直播和優質內容。

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訂閱ESPN加。