If you look behind me, you might be able to make out a giant American flag suspended from two cranes.

Under that somewhere is the stage from which Joe Biden is due to speak sometime tonight, we're told in prime time that's in a couple of hours time, presumably, but we just don't know what he's going to say, as you say it will depends on what news comes out of those battleground states that Mark was talking about of Georgia, Pennsylvania, Arizona.

Does he get enough tonight?

Plausibly claimed victory, although he spent the day at home with his friends and family.

We are told that he's been reaching out to former colleagues in the Senate, Republicans trying to line up some support across the aisle for the point at which the election is declared.

If it comes in his favor as his team increasingly suspect, he wants those Republicans to come out and declare that the election is in fact legitimate.

It was fair it wasn't fraudulent.

He thinks an important part of moving the country forward is to isolate the president in his claims of fraud.

Oh, and really, that's actually been happening today, several Republican senators have come out on distance themselves from President Trump's baseless claims last night that the Democrats are seeking to steal the election through fraud.

Senator Pat Toomey, from that battleground state of Pennsylvania, said he thought the president's comments were quote very disturbing.

Meanwhile, the president himself is apparently increasingly livid with the lack of support that he's been getting.

His legal team has been sent out to gather evidence of that fraud that so far has not been forthcoming.

And sources close to the president is saying that no one has ever had the conversation with him about how he should behave.

What he should do were he to lose its being a closed subject.

Another problem is he's running out of funds.

His campaign has run dry.

He set up on appeal for a legal fighting fund.

It's Bean, another extraordinary day in American politics on one that's largely gone in the direction of Joe Biden.

Things divided country, one Mawr Division thing.

He those who think the election has, by and large bean fair on those who don't The president appears increasingly unlikely to be re elected on last night made wild allegations about the process.

If you count the legal votes, I easily win.

If you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal three election from us.

Many networks simply cut him off.

We were watching President Trump speaking live from the White House, and we have to interrupt here because the president has made a number of false statements.

Were interrupting this because what the president of the United States is saying in large part, is absolutely untrue.

A stock example of what appears to be power ebbing a Z mail in ballots continue to be processed and counted.

Joe Biden overtook Mr Trump in Georgia, a state which hasn't voted for a Democrat for president since Bill Clinton.

However, there are more votes to come on.

The secretary of state of Georgia confirmed there will now be a recount.

Good morning, everyone of approximately five million votes cast.

We'll have a margin of a few 1000 with a margin that small.

There will be a recount in Georgia Jo from Georgia to Pennsylvania.

Major major development right now.

Take a look at this Biden 49.4% trump 49.3% with Joe Biden having this was enough for the speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, to make her own premature declaration.

Pretty soon, the hyphen will be gone from vice president to President elect Joe Biden, the only girl in Delaware, Joe Biden has been a frequent diner at Angelo's luncheonette.

There I met John Flaherty, who spent 16 years working in Joe Biden's Senate office.

I don't think you're gonna find anybody, uh, in the White House who was more prepared than Joe Biden.

He has a history of reaching out and talking to people that are diametrically opposed to what he stands for, and I think that's a real positive attributes.

It's not an attribute in some of the primaries because it zits so polarized on the edges, but he was able to survive those primaries.

In the back of the luncheonette amongst the Elvis memorabilia is a poster of Joe Biden's first presidential run.

32 years later, it looks like he might have made it.

David Grossman there, well, joining us now.

Mick Mulvaney, former White House chief of staff to Donald Trump.

Soon we're going to be joined by Bob Casey, the senior senator for the crucial state of Pennsylvania.

You're just hearing about Mick Mulvaney.

I wonder what you make of people from your own side, whether it's packed to me saying, It's very hard to watch the president's words last night or Mike DeWine, the Ohio governor, saying, We as a country accept election results or John Bolton saying We're facing a character test.

Is it hard to listen to the president make a speech like the one he made last night?

Keep in mind John Bolton, then the president, famously don't get along so you can throw that one out.

But to your point about watching this speech last night, look, I watched the speech last night along with everybody else, and I heard the president say if we count the legal votes, he's going to win.

If they don't, he's got a chance to lose.

I'm willing to believe that I just need to see evidence at some point.

At some point, you have toe to put up or shut up.

We've all heard the anecdotal evidence.

I've been receiving it all day about dead people voting about people voting in the wrong state about people vaulting, voting multiple times.

So we hear the anecdotes, but anecdotes don't cut it.

At some point you have to present data.

You have to make legal arguments.

And it we're approaching the time where the Trump campaign needs to start putting down hard faxes opposed to allegations, right?

I mean, you're on the same side.

It sounds like a senior Republicans are just quoted.

He hasn't got the evidence, has he?

He hasn't.

Well, he hasn't.

I'm not on the same side as John Bolton, John Bolton said.

It's a question of character again, that that's that's not the question.

I think all Republicans were willing to still admit there's a chance the president wins.

Pennsylvania is not lost yet.

George not lost yet.

I still think he's going to win Arizona, which would dramatically change the account so far.

But at some point we need to see the facts and not just the allegations.

Yeah, because there is a sense now isn't there amongst the Republican Party on He was calling out yesterday.

Eric Trump and Giuliani was saying, Where's the GOP now that they're actually moving away from him because somebody's probably got to tell him that without evidence, you can't keep making these kind of allegations, and you can't keep jumping in and trying to create illegal contortion where you haven't got fax to back it up.

I mean, he just tweeted on.

He said that Joe Biden shouldn't wrongfully claimed the office of President.

Now that's something that Joe Biden has very carefully, not done.

He's just said we have to carry on counting the votes on Donald Trump is the one who said, Stop counting, Stop counting Right again.

The lawyers are going to be telling him that it's completely legitimate under our system to bring legal challenges just as it is legal and legitimate.

Excuse me to do recounts, which looks like they're gonna happen in most of these every state, though.

Come on.

No, in every state, and not when you've already sent out a warning weeks ago that as soon as the polls close, call the lawyers finish my answer.

It doesn't have to be in every single state, but you're going to have one.

Obviously, in Georgia, there's laws on how to count out of the recounts in states like Arizona, Pennsylvania and, yes, you are looking at recounts most of these states.

I just wonder who is who is by his side.

Do you think that is prepared to say to him, Look, you did a great job.

You won four years ago.

You bought brand new people into the party.

But it's time to G O on that.

There is a time for graciousness, and we saw it from Hillary Clinton four years ago.

We saw it from John McCain when he lost.

We saw it from George H.

Bush when he lost.

There is a there is a moment for grace.

Presumably, somebody needs toe have that conversation with the president.

Yeah, I'm not sure.

Hillary Clinton qualifies graciousness on the way she's handled, wished him well, but to Europe.

She wished him well.

And she conceded the inner circle at this point would be most likely when it comes to present the family.

It would be his adult Children, the first lady and some of his very closest of business friends and associates.

That would be the folks that he's turning to for the for advice in this very critical time to answer your question, let's talk to Senator Bob Casey.

I think the problem is Bob Casey is that everyone is sort of acting like this is a done deal on the point that Mick Mulvaney made.

It isn't actually a done deal, right?

I mean, you.

How confident is the Biden team now that it's all over?

Well, I just speak from my perspective.

I know 16 statewide elections in Pennsylvania's I know a good bit about the state.

And here's the reality.

Joe Biden's ahead, now in Pennsylvania, has lead will continue to grow its inexorable in terms of the mail in ballots he's gonna have.

He's gonna have a lead that I think will be substantial enough for a determination about when networks or news organizations make a call.

But the that lead will also grow.

So by the time there was an official count, that is always later and the number is always higher, I believe, based upon the data I've seen and folks whose data crunching I trust that the margin will be either north or south of 100,000 votes, which would be well above the 44,000 to 92 the president won by and that was his official of the the Million Dollar Question, Senator, because you're right in the heart of things.

You wouldn't have any sense of timing on that, would you?

Because I think from about nine o'clock this morning, when Joe Biden looked as if he was taking the lead, everyone's being on that knife edge.

But it's not clear, right?

Well, that I think part of the problem was since this morning that the counting slowed down for all kinds of reasons, but that that's just part of the process.

I don't know when when there'll be a margin that will be high enough for people to think that is.

It's reached the point of making a determination about the race.

But But I have no doubt he's gonna win, and I have no doubt that it will be when all the county has done in that range.

I don't know if you heard from Mick Mulvaney a few moments ago, but the fact is that Donald Trump made a speech last night which certainly some on his own side and maybe half the country I e.

The people who voted for him will have taken at face value.

So I wonder what any future Joe Biden presidency does with that?

Well, I don't know.

I'm not sure what a new administration does with that other than in the near term.

I think we have to be very clear what the responsibilities are of a president.

Hey has an obligation to make statements and to conduct himself in to propose to propose policies and ideas that are consistent with respecting the will of the American people when they vote on also has to make it very clear that he will, um, comply with the peaceful transfer of power.

So far, he hasn't been willing to do any of the kind.

And when he engages in the kind of behavior we saw yesterday in the statements he made yesterday, it's not only undermining the right to vote, it's not only undermining democracy, it undermines our national security.

On Lee, one who benefited from that statement yesterday was Vladimir Putin and also the You know, the other enemies of America all over the world.

So it's time for the president who to be very clear about respecting the will of people.

And he could still pursue legal action with with evidence.

But he has no evidence.

He just wants toe Thio Thio complain about the election.

There was quite a hardcore response from the Joe Biden campaign saying we will remove trespassers from the White House if we need Thio suggesting that what he would be forcibly ejected if there isn't a smooth transfer of power.

I mean, what do they have in mind?

Look, all I know is we have a constitution, and at some point in the life of a public official, there comes a time when that individual is either gonna walk alongside with the Constitution and support it, or he's gonna try to stand in the way.

And in this case, the Constitution will just roll over the president if he continues to engage in this.

I think this conduct and make these statements.

He can litigate this if he wants.

But if if you litigate, you have to have fax and proof and persuasive legal arguments.

We'll see if he comes up with that.

But right now he's got nothing.

Especially when it comes to Pennsylvania.

Doesn't know the first thing about what happens in Philadelphia or any other place.

He has no fax toe smear the people of Philadelphia and thereby smear every election officials in the entire United States of America.

Bob Casey, Thank you very much.

Mitt Mulvaney.

Thanks for joining us a little earlier.