♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY.

WE'RE BACK HERE WITH MICHAEL MOORE.

NOW, YOU'VE MADE DOCUMENTARIES OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, BUT IF

YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK BACK AND MAKE A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE

LAST FOUR YEARS IN AMERICA, ABOUT THE SWEEP OF IT, WHAT

WOULD YOU SAY THE LESSON OR THE THEMES YOU WOULD TAKE FROM THE

LAST FOUR YEARS OF THIS PRESIDENCY?

>> FIRST, I WOULD NOT MAKE THAT FILM, IN PART BECAUSE WHO WOULD

WANT TO WATCH A FILM THAT SHOWED YOU THE LAST FOUR YEARS?

WE JUST LIVED THROUGH IT.

THE WORST THING I COULD DO TO PEOPLE IS SHOW THEM THE LAST

FOUR YEARS.

FOR THAT REASON ALONE, THE IDEA IS OUT, BUT YOUR QUESTION IS A

GOOD ONE.

>> Stephen: THANK YOU.

WHAT IF WE LEARNED?

AND I THINK THE THING THAT'S BEEN -- THE FACT THAT WE AS

AMERICANS WOULD ALLOW A SITUATION -- SO MANY SITUATIONS,

ACTUALLY -- TO EXIST, WHETHER IT'S TAKING BABIES OUT OF THEIR

MOTHERS' ARMS, PUTTING THEM IN CAGES, WHETHER IT'S ALL THE

OTHER STUFF THAT WE LET THIS GO ON, IT WAS DONE IN OUR NAME,

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S -- YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER

FOR THIS SOME DAY BECAUSE IT WAS DONE IN MY NAME, AND MY TAX

DOLLARS PAID FOR IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY -- I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE

FOR US.

IN A WAY, I GUESS WE CAN REDEEM OURSELVES WITH THIS IS OUR NEW

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT ARE GOING TO DO THINGS THAT ARE

GOING TO BE THERE FOR PEOPLE.

I MEAN, JUST BEFORE WE STARTED, THE THING CAME ACROSS THAT THE

POPE HAD CALLED JOE BIDEN, AND THEY HAD A CONVERSATION, AND THE

BIDEN CAMPAIGN, THEY PUT OUT A READOUT OF WHAT THE CONVERSATION

SAID, AND IN THERE THEY TALKED ABOUT -- BIDEN TALKED ABOUT, TO

THE POPE, ABOUT HOW HE WAS GOING TO MAKE AMERICA A WELCOMING

PLACE FOR PEOPLE, FOR REFUGEES, FOR THE HAVE-NOTS, AND THE

HAVE-NOTS THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE PRIMARY FOCUS

BECAUSE, I MEAN, THIS IS OUR SECOND CATHOLIC PRESIDENT, SO,

YOU KNOW, HE -- >> Stephen: THAT'S BEEN

OVERLOOKED A LITTLE BIT.

NOT AS MUCH A DEAL HAS BEEN MADE OF THAT.

>> RIGHT.

>> Stephen: BUT AS A CATHOLIC MYSELF, I WAS REALLY STRUCK --

FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW MR. BIDEN TO BE A FREQUENT IF NOT DAILY

COMCOMMUNICANT AND HE TAKES HIS FAITH SERIOUSLY AND I'M MOVED

WITH THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH HIM PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY

ABOUT HIS FAITH, AND YOU'VE HAD AN OPEN CONVERSATION ABOUT HIS

RELIGION.

WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT TO YOU?

>> BECAUSE HE AND YOU AND I, WE ALL WENT TO CATHOLIC SCHOOL AND

LEARNED THE SAME LESSONS.

I SAID TO HIM IN THIS LETTER, WHAT ARE THE LESSONS?

THE LESSON IS THE RICH MAN WILL HAVE A HARDER TIME GETTING INTO

HEAVEN THAN A CAMEL GETTING INTO THE EYE OF A NEEDLE.

BLESSED ARE THE POOR, THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE WHO

DON'T -- WHO ARE THE LEAST AMONG US, THAT'S HOW WE'LL BE JUDGED.

SO I SAID I'M ASSUMING -- I SAID THIS TO HIM -- THAT THESE ARE

GOING TO BE THE MORAL PRINCIPLES OF THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY.

I'M JUST GOING TO ASSUME THAT AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE I DO

BELIEVE HE'S A MAN OF FAITH, AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO SERVE

US REALLY WELL.

FOR THIS EXAMPLE, STEPHEN, THE FACT THAT HE PICKED KAMALA

HARRIS TO BE HIS RUNNING MATE, BUT ASIDE THE FACT THAT TRUMP

AND PENCE WERE RIGHT WHEN SHE IS RANKED THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR

IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, SO HE WENT TO THE LEFT WHEN HE

CHOSE HIS VICE PRESIDENT.

MORE THAN THAT, IN THE FIRST DEBATE, SHE WENT AFTER HIM.

>> Stephen: OH, THEY BUTTED HEADS, YEAH.

>> AND YOU COULD SEE ON HIS FACE, HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO

SAY.

LATER I THOUGHT, HE HAS A CONSCIENCE, THERE'S A LITTLE

VOICE IN THERE SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SHE'S GOT A POINT.

YOU KNOW, BUT THAT WAS THE YOUNGER ME.

AND SHE WAS THROWING SHADE ON THE YOUNGER SELF OF JOE BIDEN.

BUT THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY HE FORGAVE THAT, THAT HE HELD NO

GRUDGE, THAT HE JUST DIDN'T FORGIVE, HE PUT HER ON THE

TICKET, WHO WOULD DO THAT?

I WOULD LIKE TO THINK I WOULD, BUT I DON'T THINK I WOULD.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE -- HE DID THAT, AND I THOUGHT, WOW, IF

THAT IS HIS MORAL COMPASS, IF THIS IS HOW HE IS TOWARD PEOPLE,

PEOPLE WHO HE PROBABLY -- HE WAS PROBABLY MAD AT HER THAT NIGHT,

BUT HE DIDN'T HOLD IT AGAINST HER, SHE HAD A RIGHT TO SAY IT,

THEN HE PICS HER TO BE VICE PRESIDENT.

THIS IS SUCH A POSITIVE SIGN FOR ME THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE IN

THE POLAR OPPOSITE ERA THAN THE FOUR YEARS THAT WE JUST WENT

THROUGH.

>> Stephen: I WOULD AGREE.

WHILE THE UNITED STATES STILL HAS THE SAME PROBLEMS IT HAD TWO

WEEKS AGO, AT LEAST THE POSITION OF THE PRESIDENT WILL BE

OCCUPIED BY SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO EMBODY SOME OF THE

PRINCIPLES, RELIGIOUS OR NOT, THAT WE NEED AS A MORAL EXAMPLE

FOR ALL OF US TO GET ALONG.

MYEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

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