But if I don't know what I'm doing and I start to hesitate, started, get scared, then it could be a nightmare.

Typically, watching free soloing is scarier than doing it, because when you're when you're doing the climb, you know how comfortable you feel.

You know how in control you feel.

You know, where's when you're watching.

You have no idea how the person feels, and so you kind of feel the worst.

Then you drive up off the left foot into the thumb press.

That's the worst hold on the entire route.

So you get maybe half your thumb.

On the whole, a zit turned out when I had the experience.

It was probably good that it was so high off the ground because I had done so much and I was so deeply in the zone, I guess you know, I was basically performing so well that by the time I got there, I felt incredible on Guy just executed it perfectly.

Basically, the last five or 600 for the last 200 m are get easier and easier is Ugo.

And so it really feels like you're sort of sprinting to the finish line, and it's like, beautiful.

And you're like, Oh, it's just so nice.

You know, you could sort of, like, relax more as you get closer and enjoy it more as you get closer to the top.

And so when I came over the summit, I mean, it was just like, This is awesome.

It was incredible.

It is definitely a physical challenge.

Toe climb, all cab.

But compared to the standards of the day, I mean, the challenge isn't really physically.

The main challenge isn't physical for free soloing.

Okay?

It's definitely a bigger mental challenge than physical e think, regardless of the film, regardless of any media company, it e I mean, at some point I could just have a picnic with my family, look at the wall and be like that is the wall that I climbed once, like that's you know?

I mean, it's just it's deeply satisfying.

Mm hmm.