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♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: WELCOME BACK TO
A LIVE "LATE SHOW,"" EVERYBODY.
JOINING ME NOW IS THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF
MINNESOTA AND A FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE HERSELF,
PLEASE WELCOME SENATOR AMY KLOBUCHAR.
SENATOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ON SUCH A TROUBLING DAY.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME.
I HOPE THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF ARE FINE.
IS EVERYONE OKAY?
>> THEY'RE FINE.
I'M JUST MOSTLY WORRIED ABOUT OUR COUNTRY AND WHAT THEY SAW
TODAY, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS I THINK ON EVERYONE'S MIND.
THAT'S WHY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT AFTER THIS ANGRY MOB
INVADED THE CAPITOL-- BY THE WAY, I'M SITTING IN THE
PRESIDENT'S ROOM.
WHERE IN THE PAST PRESIDENTS WOULD HAVE CORDIAL MEETINGS WITH
LEADERS OF CONGRESS, WHERE A NEW PRESIDENT WOULD SIGN THE
DOCUMENTS WHEN HE GOT SWORN IN.
AND TO THINK THAT THIS PRESIDENT INCITED THIS MOB TO COME IN THIS
BUILDING.
AND I'M LITERALLY SITTING A FEW YARDS AWAY FROM WHERE THEY
STORMED INTO THE CAPITOL.
AND THE IMPORTANT THING FOR US TONIGHT, FOR BOTH ACTUALLY
DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN LEADERS, WAS THAT WE RETURNED TO
OUR DESKS, AND WE GET THE JOB DONE.
AND WE JUST VOTED, JUST VOTED 93 VOTES AGAINST THE OBJECTIONS TO
THE CERTIFIED STATE ELECTION IN ARIZONA, WHICH IS WHAT
INSTIGATED ALL OF THIS, WITH 93 SENATORS DECLARING JOE BIDEN WON
THAT ELECTION.
>> Stephen: I-- I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT MOMENT WAS THE LAST
TIME I SAW YOU ON CAMERA BEFORE ANY OF THIS HAPPENED WAS YOU
READING THE...
COMPLAINT ABOUT THE ARIZONA ELECTION.
AND THEN THE CHAMBERS WENT TO THEIR SEPARATE HOUSES, THE
SENATE AND THE HOUSE.
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THE ACTUAL BREACHING OF THE CAPITOL
HAPPENED?
AND CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW YOU KNEW THAT YOU WERE SUPPOSED
TO LEAVE?
HOW WERE ALL OF YOU INFORMED WHAT WAS GOING ON?
>> SO I'M THE HIGHEST RANKING DEMOCRAT ON THE RULES COMMITTEE,
SO I HAD ACTUALLY JUST SPOKEN AND MADE MY CASE AGAINST SENATOR
CRUZ, TAKING HIM ON.
HE HAD SPOKEN, ONE OR TWO MORE SENATORS SPOKE.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IN THE MIDDLE OF SENATOR LANGFORD'S
TEACH THEY SAID THE CAPITOL HAD BEEN BREACHED AND WE NEEDED TO
STAY IN PLACE.
SO WE WAITED IN THE SENATE CHAMBER FOR A WHILE.
PEOPLE WERE MILLING AROUND.
PEOPLE WERE FOLLOWING THE NEWS.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, BELIEVING WE WERE SAFE IN THE
SENATE CHAMBER, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY ANNOUNCED THAT WE WEREN'T,
AND WE WERE QUICKLY TAKEN TO ANOTHER ROOM IN THE OFFICE
COMPLEX WHERE WE ACTUALLY SAT TOGETHER FOR THE ENTIRE DAY,
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND OUR STAFF, AS WE AWAITED THE
CLEARING OF THE SENATE CHAMBER.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF, I WILL TELL YOU, MAJOR DISCUSSIONS
BETWEEN PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON AND WHAT THIS
PRESIDENT HAS DONE.
>> Stephen: WERE YOU WATCHING THIS UNFOLD ON TV?
WERE YOU SEEING THE PEOPLE GOING INTO YOUR CHAMBER, SEEING THE
PEOPLE-- SOMEONE STANDING UP THERE ACTUALLY AT THE PRESIDENT
OF THE SENATE'S SEAT, PEOPLE WITH THEIR FEET UP ON NANCY
PELOSI'S DESK?
WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND AND YOUR HEART AS YOU SAW THIS--
THIS MOB RUNNING RAMPANT?
>> I ACTUALLY ASKED THAT WE TURN THE TVs ON IN THE ROOM THAT WE
WERE IN, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO REALIZE
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE GONE
ALONG WITH THIS PRESIDENT.
AND WHAT YOU FEEL WHEN YOU SEE THAT IS YOU THINK HE HAS INCITED
THIS.
THIS ISN'T JUST SOME TWEET HE SENDS OUT IN THE MORNING FOR FUN
THAT'S A JOKE "OH, YOU DON'T BELIEVE HIM," THAT SOME PEOPLE
SAY.
HE IS LITERALLY TELLING HIS PEOPLE TO MARCH DOWN THE MALL,
TO GO TO THE CAPITOL, AND HE URGED THEM ON.
>> Stephen: TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE
SENATORS AND THE PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN OFFICES.
WHAT WERE YOU SAYING TO EACH OTHER ABOUT THAT MOMENT?
>> WELL, I THINK ALL OF US CHERISH THIS DEMOCRACY, AND
THERE WERE A LOT OF HEARTFELT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT "ARE YOU
GOING TO CONTINUE THIS QUEST TO OBJECT TO THE DULY ELECTED
ELECTORS THAT CAME OUT OF STATE-CERTIFIED ELECTIONS, WHERE
OVER 80 JUDGES HAVE LITERALLY SAID, 'NO, THESE CLAIMS ARE
BASELESS.
THEY'RE RECKLESS.
THEY'RE NOT BASED ON THE CONSTITUTION' SO WHY ARE YOU
FOLLOWING ALONG?" IT'S MY HOPE A NUMBER OF THOSE
SENATORS ACTUALLY CHANGED THEIR VOTE.
AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THEY FELT VIOLATED.
OUR DEMOCRACY WAS VIOLATED.
THOSE PEOPLE WERE SITTING IN OUR CHAIRS, WHEN THEY WERE STANDING
AT THE DAIS OF THE U.S. SENATE WHERE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE
CONDUCTING THE NATION'S BUSINESS.
BUT A NUMBER OF THEM CHANGED THEIR VOTE.
SO THOSE WERE THE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS WE WERE HAVING.
>> Stephen: DOES IT UPSET YOU AT ALL THAT THEY DIDN'T CHANGE
THEIR VOTES UNTIL THE CHICKENS CAME HOME TO ROOST IN THEIR OWN
HOME, EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE STIRRING UP TROUBLE
EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY BY PROMULGATING THIS LIE?
>> OF COURSE IT DOES.
BUT I FIGURED MY JOB TODAY WAS TO TRY TO BRING AS MANY PEOPLE
WITH ME AND WITH OUR SIDE AS WE COULD AND TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT
WOULD GIVE THEM THAT SPACE.
AND THE REASON I DID IT IS BECAUSE-- I MADE THIS CASE TO
OUR CAUCUS-- I WANT JOE AND KAMALA TO COME IN WITH
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.
I WANT TO LEAVE WHAT JOE BIDEN CALLED THE GRIM ERA OF
DEMONIZATION BEHIND US AND ACTUALLY GET THINGS DONE.
WE HAVE MOUNTING BODY BAGS IN THIS COUNTRY.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH EMPTY CHAIRS AT THE TABLE.
WE'VE GOT KIDS THAT AREN'T GOING TO SCHOOL.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE OUT OF WORK.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T GOTTEN A VACCINE BECAUSE THIS
PRESIDENT HAS FAILED TO DISTRIBUTE IT.
AND SO THIS IDEA THAT WE WOULD BE WASTING OUR TIME AND THEN TO
ADD TO ALL THAT, WE HAVE A PRESIDENT INCITING A MOB IS
AGAINST NOT JUST THE RULE OF LAW AND OUR DEMOCRACY BUT IT'S
AGAINST WHAT EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS RIGHT NOW IN OUR COUNTRY.
SO MY VIEW WAS THE MORE WE CAN BRING ON RIGHT NOW, AS MAD AS I
AM AT THEM-- AND I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO MISTAKE THIS THAT I
FORGIVE THEM-- I THINK THAT WHAT THEY DID WAS ATROCIOUS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD AS A NATION.
>> Stephen: I-- I AGREE.
WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD AS A NATION.
BUT...
I SAW YOU, ALL THE SENATORS GO BACK INTO THE CHAMBER.
>> AND SAW THE DEBATE.
AND WHILE THERE WAS SOME PASSION TO THAT DEBATE, IT LOOKED
ALARMINGLY NORMAL TO ME.
AND I-- I KNOW YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE ANGRY.
I KNOW YOU'RE FROM MINNESOTA, SO IT'S HARD TO TELL WHEN PEOPLE
ARE ANGRY FROM THERE, BUT AMERICA IS ANGRY.
AMERICA IS DEEPLY SHAKEN AND DISTURBED BY WHAT THEY JUST SAW
HOW, AS THE PARTY THAT IS NOW IN CONTROL OF THE HOUSE AND THE
SENATE AND THE WHITE HOUSE, SHOULDN'T THERE BE CONSEQUENCES,
NOT ONLY FOR THE PEOPLE-- >> OF COURSE!
>> Stephen: THE PEOPLE WHO WALKED IN AND DID THIS, THEIR
FACES ARE ON CAMERA AND THEIR CRIMES ARE DOCUMENTED.
I MEAN THE PEOPLE WHO PROMULGATED THE LIE, SHOULD
THERE NOT BE CONSEQUENCES SO SEVERE THAT NO ONE WILL EVER
THINK TO TO MEMENT AN INSURRECTION AGAINST THIS
GOVERNMENT AGAIN WITHOUT SHUDDERING ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF
WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM.
>> OF COURSE WE SHOULD.
I'M A FORMER PROSECUTOR.
THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY, STEPHEN.
EVERY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.
EVERYONE OF THEM SHOULD GO TO JAIL.
THEY LITERALLY INVADED THE CAPITOL --
>> Stephen: BUT I HOPE YOU'RE INCLUDING-- I HOPE YOU'RE
INCLUDING JOSH HAWLEY.
YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE TED CRUZ.
YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE...
MARSHA BLACKBURN.
BECAUSE THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY KNOW BETTER.
THAT CROWD IS IGNORANT.
THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT SENATE CHAMBER ARE ACTUALLY THE SINNERS
HERE.
>> AND LET'S START WITH THE ORIGINAL SINNER AND THE ONE THAT
REALLY INCITED THIS MOB WHICH IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES.
BECAUSE THIS IS SOMEONE THAT JUST LOST HIS ELECTION AND
REFUSES TO BELIEVE IT.
AND HE HAS DEMONIZED EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS BEEN
WILLING TO STAND IN HIS WAY OR STAND UP AGAINST HIM.
SO THERE ARE SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW ABOUT WHAT SHOULD
HAPPEN TO THIS PRESIDENT, EVEN THOUGH HE WILL LEAVE OFFICE ON
JANUARY 20.
>> Stephen: SHOULD HE BE ALLOWED TO SERVE OUT THE REST OF
HIS TERM, LAST 14 DAYS?
SHOULD THE 25th AMENDMENT BE INVOKED?
SHOULD HE BE IMPEACHED SO HE CAN NEVER RUN AGAIN.
>> HE'S THE PROBLEM, NOT ONLY DID HE INCITE IT.
HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP IT.
HE COULD HAVE STOP IT, AND HE DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THESE
PEOPLE WERE LISTENING TO HIM.
THERE WERE INTERVIEWS ALL DAY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING
THAT TO THE MEDIA.
I WOULD CALL THAT EXHIBIT "A."
SO, FIRST OF ALL, TO USE THE 25th AMENDMENT YOU HAVE TO
GET THE MAJORITY OF THE CABINET AND THE VICE PRESIDENT.
LET'S SEE IF THEY ARE WILLING TO STAND UP TO HIM.
IMPEACHMENT, I'VE ALREADY VOTED FOR IMPEACHMENT.
I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPEACHED.
THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO DO LITERALLY IN
THE NEXT WEEK, AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE OUR NEW SENATORS SEATED
YET.
BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS
WELL.
BUT THE POINT OF THIS IS THAT TODAY, BASED ON THAT VOTE, WE
HAVE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AGAINST WHAT THIS PRESIDENT IS DOING.
SO THAT WILL BE HELPFUL, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
>> Stephen: WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE, SENATOR.
I KNOW THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY TRYING DAY FOR YOU.
THANK YOU FOR...
>> MORTIFYING STEPHEN.
IT'S TRYING FOR AMERICA.
IT'S NOT TRYING FOR ME.
>> Stephen: I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I-- I APPRECIATE YOU AND THE OTHER SENATORS WHO ATTEMPTED TO
DO THE RIGHT THING TODAY.
AND IN THE FACE OF THIS RESISTANCE.
AND-- >> IT'S FOR AMERICA--
>> IT WAS A COUP, STEPHEN.
IT WAS A COUP.
I KEPT CALLING IT A COUP WHEN THEY BROUGHT IT UP, BUT RIGHT
NOW, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAW THAT THAT PRESIDENT TRIED TO INCITE.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING-- HE FAILED.
>> Stephen: DO YOU HAVE A MESSAGE FOR THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE?" >> WE HAVE A NEW PRESIDENT.
ON JANUARY 20, JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS ARE GOING TO BE
INAUGURATED.
THIS ERA WILL BE BEHIND US, BUT FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT DESECRATED
THIS CAPITOL AND CREATED THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE, THEY WILL BE
PROSECUTED.
AND THIS JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD START RIGHT NOW AND DO IT
NOW.
BUT IT WILL CONTINUE ON INTO JOE BIDEN'S ADMINISTRATION.
HE HAS MADE THAT VERY CLEAR.
THIS CANNOT BE TOLERATED.
>> Stephen: MINNESOTA SENATOR AMY KLOBUCHAR, EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU, SENATOR.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH REPRESENTATIVE ADAM KINZINGER.