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  • YOUNG: This is going to be both a practice and a theory presentation, so we're actually

  • going to do some meditation and we're going to talk about your experiences and then we'll

  • do some more and then we'll talk some more as Ming mentioned. So, you don't need to have

  • any previous background; I'm going to start you out with a few minutes of guided meditation

  • practice and then we'll build from there. Now, the simple way to understand a meditative

  • state is to compare what people's normal experiences to what a meditative experience would be.

  • So, what's people's normal experience? Well, in the day, we're very alert but have you

  • noticed we tend to be a little frenetic; there could be a driven quality? So the good news

  • is we're quite alert, but we're not necessarily in a deep, restful state while that alertness

  • is there. At night, the good news is we're in a deep, restful state but we don't have

  • alertness; we sacrifice that for the deep rest. What meditation is simply the best of

  • both worlds simultaneously. You're very alert like you are when you had a bunch of coffee

  • and you're doing something exciting in your background world. But at the same time--at

  • the very same time, there's a kind of reposed restfulness, so it brings together the best

  • of those worlds. Now, why we might want to do that, well, we'll talk about that in a

  • little while. So, I'm going to guide you [INDISTINCT] process that will, in time, elevate your levels

  • of alertness but also your levels of repose. So, it's important while we do this exercise,

  • particularly for those of you that have never meditated before, that you do attempt not

  • to fall asleep. There will be some tendency for that to happen, so try to bring yourself

  • back to the practice I'm going to guide you with. One of the ways that you can control

  • of your level of alertness is through your posture. There are direct links between the

  • posture centers in the spine and what's called the reticular activating system in the central

  • nervous system that basically as you posture wilts like this, your reticular activating

  • system turns off and the brain stops processing and at the extreme level, you become drowsy.

  • Conversely, though, if you keep your spine straight, that will physiologically wake up

  • your brain. Now, it takes a little while to learn how to have your body deeply relaxed

  • while at the same time your spine is straight; that is a body learning, a motor learning

  • that just takes practice. But they have found, for example, with Zen monks in Japan for whom

  • they did electromyographic studies--that is monitoring the real-time electrical activity

  • in the muscles, in their posture muscles--they found that those monks could maintain a bolt

  • upright posture for hours on end and their muscles were more relaxed than if they were

  • horizontal and asleep. But that's a long training, that's many years of training. Many of you

  • will be beginning so that's going to seem strange to you; well, how can I keep my spine

  • straight and at the same time, allow my body to be completely relaxed? Well, that comes

  • with time. I would say, basically, the trick is balance. You learn how to align your spine

  • and then just let the whole body just hang from that. So, I'm going to give you an initial

  • concentration exercise where you're going to be straightening your spine, letting your

  • whole body settle, then I'm going to have you focus on the physical relaxation in your

  • body, and you're going to mentally note that as feel rest. We'll use the word feel to refer

  • to anything in the body and well, when you're feeling that you are physically and/or emotionally

  • reposed, we'll say that you're experiencing feel rest; your body is--you're having a body

  • experience of restfulness. And the particular flavor of feel rest that I'm going to help

  • you explore is muscle relaxation. And you can create muscle relaxation by dropping your

  • jaw a little bit and then your face looks smooth, you can let your arms hang limply

  • and loosely. Every out-breath physiologically, your intercostal muscles and your diaphragm

  • muscle automatically slightly relax on each out-breath; it's part of the intrinsic physiology

  • of breathing. On the in-breath, those muscles contract to pull open the thoracic cavity.

  • On the out-breath, it's the stored potential energy in the tissue elasticity plus gravity

  • that does the out-breath for you, so the out breath, all muscles have to do essentially

  • for an out-breath is relax. So, if you tune in to your core of your body, you'll find

  • that the relaxation flavor is present automatically on each out-breath. So, I'm going to take

  • you through a sequence of focusing and your objective is going to be physical relaxation.

  • All you have to do is follow my guidance. After we do that and we have a little experience

  • of concentrating on that, we're going to begin to talk about why one would want to do an

  • exercise like this and so the theoretical considerations of, well, what would happen

  • if you did something like this for--on a regular basis for 10, 20, 30 years? What sorts of

  • changes would you start to see in your daily life? We'll talk about those conceptual pieces,

  • but I wanted to make sure that we begin with something experiential. So, we often start

  • out meditation by one of these East Asian-styled bells, so that's what we're going to do and

  • just listen in and follow alone. Now, take a moment to stretch up and let your whole

  • body settle and notice how that will tend to produce a kind of a global relaxation throughout

  • your body. Focus in on that and every few seconds, make the mental label feel rest to

  • remind yourself that you're focusing on this restful quality in your body. Feel means it's

  • in the body. Rest in this case means nothing mysterious, it's just muscle relaxation, or

  • settling into your posture. You may experience that relaxation in just one part of your body,

  • that's fine. Or it may move from place to place within your body, that's fine. Or you

  • maybe aware from relaxation simultaneously and uniformly throughout your body, that's

  • fine, too. So, whether it's just one place or whether it moves from place to place or

  • whether it's global throughout your body, moment by moment, contact the pleasant quality

  • of muscles relaxing into a posture and every few seconds, to acknowledge that that's what

  • you're focusing on. Say it yourself mentally, feel rest and keep that sequence of mental

  • labels going. Now, as you do this, non-rest is going to arise in the form of internal

  • visual experience of mental images, internal auditory experience of mental talk, other

  • kinds of body sensations, external sounds. You can do this with your eyes closed so there

  • won't be external sights, but all sorts of things are going to come up in your mind,

  • body and outside world other than relaxation. Perfectly okay, totally give permission for

  • all that to activate. But what you're intentionally focusing in on is the relaxation, locally

  • or globally, intensely or subtly doesn't matter, that's your objective focus, and that's it.

  • Mental talk might arise, fine. As soon as you find yourself caught in it, gently return

  • to body rest. Mental images might arise; images of the past, the future, fantasy, that's fine.

  • As soon as you find yourself caught in mental images, gently return to relaxation in the

  • body. Physical and/or emotional sensations may arise in your mind including discomfort,

  • impatience, sleepiness, that's fine. But as soon as you're caught in those body sensations,

  • gently return to the pleasant sensation of relaxation. So, it's an exercise in selective

  • attention. The relaxation may be very mild relative to the intensities of the inward

  • seeing, hearing or feeling or the outwork: hearing or feeling. But that's okay. Like

  • when you listen for a faint sound, you get very concentrated. If in relaxation it's only

  • subtle, then you have to be very highly focused, but that builds concentration. You can create

  • relaxation locally by smoothing your face or dropping your jaw or dropping your shoulders

  • or lifting your arms. You can find relaxation in the core of your being anytime you want,

  • by focusing on how the rib muscles and the diaphragm muscle relax on each out breath.

  • Furthermore, you can create local relaxation anytime you want by straightening your spine

  • once again as we did in the beginning and then letting the whole body settle, creating

  • an overall relaxation albeit perhaps subtle throughout the body. So through some combination

  • of finding and/or creating, try to focus as continuously as possible on the pleasant sensation

  • of being physically relaxed and let everything also rise, but in the background; selective

  • attention on the relaxation frame. Remember every few minute--every few seconds, rather,

  • make the mental label feel rest to remind yourself that you're focusing in the body,

  • which is what's encoded by the word "feel" in the system, and that the flavor of experience

  • you're focusing on is the restful flavor which, in this case, is muscle relaxation. Now, we're

  • going to up the ante on this exercise. We'll make it a little more challenging. We're going

  • to continue to do exactly what we're doing, focusing on body relaxation, but we're now

  • going to attempt to do it with your eyes open. I'll explain how to do that. You de-focus

  • your eyes. You open your eyes, but you sort of look blankly out and that will help you

  • maintain awareness on your body even though your eyes are open. Now, of course, you'll

  • be somewhat pulled into external sights, but you'll sort of de-focus or soft focus or far-focus

  • your eyes, making it easier to focus on relaxation with your eyes open but more challenging because

  • they are open. So now open your eyes, sort of soft focus. This will also help you retain

  • alertness as you're physiologically waking up the brain. Now your eyes are open and continue

  • to create and find relaxation in one part of your body or circulating from place to

  • place or maybe over your whole body at once, continue to mentally label, feel rest. And

  • now your eyes are open but your awareness is back and you're fine. Now, we're going

  • to be--in a moment, be moving from formal practice to practice in life. That means we're

  • going to be talking and interacting. But you might see if you can keep some awareness on

  • finding and/or creating relaxation from time to time as we're interacting, so that the

  • momentum of what we've done is somewhat maintained; not unbroken, but there's some carryover as

  • we go about the more ordinary situation of talking and interacting. So see if, from time

  • to time, you can be aware of relaxing in your posture even as we talk and interact. So as

  • Ming mentioned, my name is Shinzen, S-H-I-N-Z-E-N. And I got that name in Asia, although I was

  • not born in Asia. I was privileged to grow up partially in American culture and partially

  • in Japanese culture, so I grew up bilingual and somewhat bicultural. And part of that

  • was a stay of a number of years in Buddhist monasteries in different parts of Asia. And

  • then I came back to the United States with an interest in how I could take what I've

  • learned--which I view as the pinnacle of Asian technology, which is the internal science

  • and internal technology of meditative states--how could I take that and combine it with the

  • best of Western science and technology to perhaps bring about or fertilize a whole new

  • direction in human history? And that has been my main goal and interest. And one of the

  • reasons that people like Ming enjoy having me as a meditation teacher is I'm a fully

  • professional meditation teacher, but I'm a pretty good amateur scientist and I bring

  • a little bit of that perspective into the way that I present things. So my favorite

  • thing in the world is to give presentations at places like this, like Google or other

  • institutions where there are people with a scientific or engineering background, so that

  • I can sort of put on that little bit of that decap myself. So, we just completed an exercise.

  • Now, those of you with a background in math know that one of the things that you always

  • want to do in mathematics, if possible, is generalize and abstract from specific to broader

  • formulations. So I had to do a very specific exercise to with you're focusing on one sensory

  • quality. Now, let's generalize that, let's speak in the most general terms. What did

  • I have you do? Well, I had you pick a sensory event and I partitioned all sensory experience

  • into that event and then everything else. And the instruction was keep your attention

  • as much as you can on event X and when Y, Z and T pull you away, as they inevitably

  • will, come back to X. What were some of the Y, Zs and Ts that pulled you away from relaxation?

  • Tell me what were some of the things that were in the distraction category that you

  • found you were caught in and had to come back from. Tell me.

  • >> Noises from other people. >> YOUNG: External sounds that came from other

  • people. They could also come from cars, but they're more annoying somehow if they come

  • from other people or more gripping in some way; external sounds.

  • >> Just thoughts about other aspects in life. >> YOUNG: Thoughts. Now, some of those thoughts

  • probably have the form of internal conversations, correct? And you know its--most people tend

  • to point to their head, their ears. But did anybody have thoughts that involved mental

  • pictures where you saw people, places; situations? Did anybody notice that sometime a thought

  • could have both a video and an audio component? You can see the scene and hear the dialogue.

  • So we had external auditory events that could pull us away; we could hear out to the world.

  • We had internal audio events that could pull us away; we could hear into our own mental

  • talk. We could see out to the world now that--when I had you do it with your eyes open, did anybody

  • notice you tended to get pulled into external vision? You could be pulled into inner visions

  • that are mental pictures. And then there were various physical--did anybody notice that

  • the body, other than the relaxation, would pull you? Anybody notice that you had sleepy

  • sensations, for example? How many people had that? Okay. That's a physical sensation. Anybody

  • noticed any aches and pains? Okay. Anybody noticed any antsiness, impatience in the body?

  • Okay. If you were irritated by sound that might've been an emotional irritation flavor

  • in the body, there could be fear flavors in the body. In other words, there could be physical,

  • you could feel the physicality of the body, but also parts of the emotional experience

  • involve body sensations. So what we did do? We partitioned the world into one category

  • of experience called "Physical Relaxation" and then all the other experiences. It turns

  • out all the other experiences are external seeing, external hearing, internal seeing,

  • internal hearing, and physical and emotional body sensations. If we consider smell and

  • taste to be forms of sort of body sensation, then that classifies all the experience. So

  • in general, what we did, if we abstract it from the specific, we designated a class of

  • experience, we selectively attended to that, when the attention was pulled into some other

  • class of experience, we came back. That's a very general formulation and we did that

  • as a formal exercise. We were just dedicating a period a time just to doing that. So now

  • I'm going to ask you some--I'm going to ask you to make some conjectures. First conjecture,

  • do you think that if you did an exercise--oh, first question, do you think that we would've

  • developed a similar skill set if we had picked some other object, some other sensory object?

  • Suppose, for example, I said, "Our object is going to be mental talk." Every time you

  • are aware of mental talk, I'd like you to say, "Hear in," indicate your hearing inward

  • experience and we're going to ignore everything else. We're going to ignore and then we'll

  • go through the list and we'll, of course, be ignoring physical relaxation. Suppose I

  • gave you as the object that you're going to concentrate on internal talk instead of physical

  • relaxation? Now, something would be different because we're focusing on a very different

  • sensory problem. However, I would say that if you were to do the exercise based on focusing

  • concentratedly on mental talk or if you were to do the exercise based on focusing concentratively

  • on physical relaxation that in the end, with regards to your base level of concentration

  • skills, the effect would be the same, okay? Now that's maybe a little counter-intuitive

  • if you might think, "Oh, well, you should only be focusing on pleasant, restful things.

  • What if I focus on something agitative and so forth, will that still develop my concentration

  • power?" and the answer is yes. So, we could've picked any one of dozens or dozens of possible

  • objects; a mantra, your breath, an external candle flame, it could've been anything, anything

  • at all. The fact is when the awareness wandered, you came back. When the awareness wanders,

  • you'd come back. Now, how many people here have ever done physical exercise to build

  • up your body? I think most of us have done it from time to time, nothing mystical-shmystical.

  • If you do exercise on a regular basis, will the base level of strength in your muscles

  • increase? Yes or no? It's not trick set of question. The answer is yes. If you designate

  • some aspect of experience to be an object of focus and you, by implication, designate

  • all other experiences for that period of time to be distractions, and you pull yourself

  • back from the distractions to the object of focus--doesn't matter what the object of focus

  • is--do you think that with time, your base level of concentration power would be elevated?

  • What do you think? It's not an unreasonable hypothesis. In fact, it is profoundly true;

  • a fact that was never discovered very clearly by the Western world, but was very clearly

  • discovered by Asia. And I think if there's one thing that Asia can yell out loud and

  • clear and the rest of the world, the entire rest of the world, has to listen and say,

  • "That's unique and that's important," is the discovery that a person's base level of concentration

  • power is trainable by systematic exercise. So, let's attempt a definition albeit perhaps

  • a circular definition. But those of you with a mathematical background know that formal

  • systems always start with circular definitions, so we start with undefined, okay? But let's

  • just accept the fact that there may be a little circularity in this, but let's define concentration

  • power as the ability to focus on what you want whenever you want for as long as you

  • want. Now, you notice that there is nothing in this definition that says that concentration

  • is a narrowing of your attention. That's one of the common misconceptions that concentration

  • is, by definition, a reduced scope of awareness. All I said was the ability to attend to what

  • you want whenever you want for as long as you want, that's the definition of your base

  • level of concentration power. So if you're driving the car and you would like to have

  • a meditative experience of driving the car, are you going to buzz a mantra in your head?

  • Are you going to visualize a flower? Not if you want to drive safely, okay? Are you going

  • to focus on your breath? I don't recommend it. Then what's relevant to driving the car?

  • Whether there's certain sites that you have to see, there are certain sounds you have

  • to be aware of, and then there is the body physically linked to the car, to the seat,

  • the steering wheel. So there's a visual component, you've got to see out to the road, you have

  • to hear out to the road and you have to feel your body linked to the car. So the sight,

  • sounds and body sensations relative to driving are what's relevant to that situation. If

  • you're focusing on that and that only, you'll be in a deep meditative state even though

  • you maybe driving in traffic with a lot of going on. When you arrive at your destination,

  • it will seem the same to you as though you had been silently in a room for an hour, say,

  • focused on a mantra or your breath. But you're object of focus was none other than the activity

  • of driving a car but in a highly concentrated state. So we'll define your base level of

  • concentration to be--we'll define, yes, your base level of concentration as how easily

  • you can stay focused on what you deem relevant at any given time. Have you noticed that your

  • concentration power fluctuates during the day? Have you noticed? So, everybody's noticed

  • that. There's nothing mystical-shmystical about it. Have you noticed that when you're

  • spontaneously more focused, you feel better and perform better? How many people have noticed

  • that effect? Okay. That's an important fact. Now, that combined with the fact that concentration,

  • your base level of concentration power, can be elevated with systematic practice, gives

  • us something quite significant for human beings. It means that you can always be feeling better and always

  • be performing better and dramatically so. Can I add 50 years to your life right now?

  • No. Can I multiply your base level of concentration in each moment by power of--by 100% or 200%?

  • Yes, that I can do. That means if you are twice as focused in each moment, you're living

  • twice as big. So although we cannot additively, dramatically change your life span, we can

  • literally stretch the scale of life from the inside by elevating your base level of concentration

  • power. Now, your base level of concentration power is how concentrated you are when you're

  • not trying. The second miss--so there's a confusion in people's minds between the exercises

  • that you do that will elevate your base level of concentration which are small, formal things

  • like what we did, and the base level of concentration itself which is a permanent or trait change.

  • So your base level of concentration is how focused you are when you're not having to

  • work to be focused, it's just what you dropped into. So if we double or triple your base

  • level of concentration, that means without you having to do anything special, just as

  • you're going about your daily life, you will be two or three times as focused. Now, that

  • means you'll be living two or three times as large. So that's like--I rank that as one

  • of the huge discoveries of the human species that we can actually do this, that this is

  • trainable. So there's a metaphor that I'd like to use, once again, based on science.

  • Let's say that your goal is to understand plants, you really--you want to be like an

  • ace botanist. So you want to understand plants, but you want to really understand plants.

  • So here is understanding of the plant. But since plant is a life form, if you really

  • want to understand plants, you have to back that up with biochemistry and molecular biology.

  • So you need this chemistry background to freely understand the structure and function of plants

  • at a very deep level. Chemistry is a broader subject than botany, it's a deeper subject.

  • It gives you a deeper perspective on things; it's also a little harder for most people

  • to learn. Of course, if you really want to understand chemistry, you have to understand

  • the underlying physics including the quantum physics so that takes you into the world of

  • physics. Physics is broader than chemistry; it's about building bridges or the behavior

  • of galaxies as well as maybe the chemistry of a solar surface. So physics is broader,

  • deeper, most people find it a little harder. But if you really understand physics, then

  • you understand quantum chemistry and then you can really appreciate the deep principles

  • underlying the world of plants. However, there is a discipline that is broader, deeper and

  • many people find harder than physics. And what would that deeper, broader, discipline

  • be? Mathematics. Now, most people would say that mathematics lies at the base of the pyramid.

  • When I cited that I wanted to be part of the East-West inner science outer science dialogue,

  • I didn't have any background in science. I wanted to acquire a background in science--that's

  • many decades ago--and I was given a very good piece of advice by a scientist. He said, "Just

  • ace math, okay? Just totally learn it and learn it, you know, to the post graduate level

  • and then you'll be able to walk into any science class and pretty much figure out what's going

  • on." That was a good piece of advice, to start at the base of the pyramid. And so that's

  • where I did start and I found that was very true. But--now, math is much deeper than physics.

  • It can--you can use matrices to model an economic system or you can use probability theory for

  • gambling. There's even human values, utility functions, even human perceptions, there are

  • attempts to make mathematical models of these socio-metric matrices and so forth. So math

  • is broader than physics, it's deeper. Most people find it abstract and more difficult.

  • But if you ace this, you've got this and you've got this one, got this one. So what is the

  • purpose of this rather extended metaphor? Well, I would claim that there's one more

  • level; something deeper, broader, perhaps in some ways even more challenging, but even

  • more productive to learn and that's concentration skill. For one thing, with concentration skill--I

  • mean, I don't have any native ability in math whatsoever, I failed all my math classes in

  • school. But when I came back from Asia, I had something going for me that I didn't have

  • when I was in high school. I had vastly enhanced concentration power from years of living in

  • monasteries. Well, that allowed me to overcome my native lack of ability in this field. I

  • just made up for it by pure concentration power and with time, it allowed me to learn

  • these things. Of course, my interest is not botany, my interest in neuroscience and how

  • neuroscience--what neuroscience can tell us about meditative states and the other way

  • around, what meditators, how they can collaborate with neuroscientists to suggest the most productive

  • experiments based on their--in their experience. So, my specialty is neuroscience, not botany.

  • But to understand the neuroscience, you still have to understand all of this stuff down

  • to the math. But what allowed me to understand the math was my concentration skills that

  • came from meditation. But the concentration skills are not just good for learning science.

  • They'll improve your tennis game, they'll improve your experience of making love, they'll

  • deepen your prayer life, they'll allow you to have psychological insights; they'll allow

  • you to experience physical pain without suffering, even emotional pain without suffering. So

  • concentration skills are very raw. They cover--they will empower every significant dimension that

  • is called human, whether it's a physical human, emotional human, a social human, the relationship

  • human, the I-want-to-make-a-fortune human, the I-want-to-have-a-good-reputation human.

  • Whatever it is, if it's humanly important, it's going to be facilitated by greater concentration

  • power. We don't have time in a short talk like this to connect all the arrows, to connect

  • the dots. But if you were to bring up anything, I mean, anything in your life that you would

  • like to see--I'd like to see it move in this direction, I'd like to avoid this other direction,

  • I could connect the dots, okay, general enhanced level of concentration will allow you to do

  • this, that'll allow you to this, and that will allow you to achieve your ultimate goal.

  • So I would claim that at the basis of the pyramid of all human knowledge--both engineering

  • and science knowledge here, but all the other kinds of knowledges that are important for

  • human beings--at the base of all of those knowledge pyramids lies the most basic human

  • trainable skill, and that is the skill at attending to what is relevant, which is equivalent

  • to the skill of not being caught in what is irrelevant. Remember it, once again, as we're

  • interested in elevating your base level. That means when you're not trying, when you're

  • not working at it, can you be two or three times as focused as a normal human being?

  • And the answer is yes. What kind of time investment would it take to achieve that training? What

  • I tell people is a minimum of--a minimum of 10 minutes a day of formal practice like what

  • we did here, plus four hours a month of intensive practice. I have something that I call the

  • Home Practice Program, which you access by telephone wherever you are in the world and

  • we give it in four-hour increments on weekends--you can look me up on the internet if you want

  • to do that--and that gives you that intense retrieve practice every month if you do four

  • hours of continuous formal practice and most days if you do 10 minutes of formal practice.

  • As the months and years and decades of your life progress, it's reasonable that you will

  • become two or three times as focused as a normal human being in your daily life. I repeat,

  • that means that you will live your life two or three times as big as any normal human

  • being. I call that a good investment. Give me 10 minutes each day and four hours each

  • month and I make your life twice as big. Additively, we've taken away--I'll need that--but you

  • could see that the end is, "Do the math," as they say. So that's–-so as---I'll take

  • your comment and question in a second. As time goes on, if you do these exercises, your

  • concentration gets deeper and deeper and it gets broader and broader. By deeper and deeper,

  • you can perhaps have an intuitive sense of what that's like. Broader and broader means

  • you're in a special concentrated or in the zone state in more and more complex life activities.

  • Right now, I'm giving this talk to you; my meditation is giving this talk. I feel that

  • I'm in a very deep meditative state just by giving this talk. I feel, as I'm talking to

  • you now, in a deeper state that I would've felt in the middle of a silent retreat 20

  • years ago if I had been meditating for a month without talking to anybody. The state I would've

  • been in 20 years ago under those very special circumstances is not nearly as deep as the

  • state I'm in right now in interacting with you; that's what I mean by base level. So

  • it gets deeper and deeper and it gets broader and broader. At first, meditation is an event

  • within life, then at some point, it could be two months, two years or, let's be honest,

  • you know, 12 years or 15 years, at some point, a figure-ground reversal takes place; life

  • starts to happen inside meditation. It's like the meditation is always there. Life comes

  • and goes. At the beginning, life is there, meditation comes and goes. Once that figure-ground

  • reversal has taken place, your growth goes exponential because now you've got the proverbial

  • positive feedback loop. The more you grow, the faster you grow. Your initial experience

  • on that exponential growth curve, if you just look at the first part of it, might seem linear

  • and not very dramatic because you can't see the big picture. But once that figure-ground

  • reversal takes place, then that's where the derivative goes high [INDISTINCT]. And when

  • you start to meditate, it seems like you're a million miles from any goal. And in the

  • first year of practice, it seems like you walked a mile, and it's like, well, you know,

  • where is this going? But what you don't realize is in the next year, you go 10 miles in the

  • next year, you'll do 100 miles, roughly speaking. The base of the logarithm may not lead to

  • the base count, okay? Or--and it may not be in years, but roughly speaking, we are talking

  • in statistical trend, if you'd look at a lot of people that mediate and you look over a

  • lot of--a long period of time in their career, there is a tendency for meditation to grow

  • exponentially. So that, you know, in relatively few years, you can start to have these stunning,

  • earth-shaking changes in your life. That's why I say this discovery primarily from Asia

  • of the trainability of concentration ranks as--along with fire and the wheel and simple,

  • you know, levers and things like that. I rank it right up there with the most important

  • things that our species has discovered because I place it at the base of all other human

  • endeavors. So, that's the wrap. You had a little taste of it. Now what I would like

  • to do is--it's 2:30, so we've been here for an hour--maybe we'll take a couple of questions.

  • Also, I'd like comments. I like challenges. I even like it if you disagree with me and

  • we could discuss that, so feel free. We'll take a couple minutes to just open it up for

  • any reports on your experiences, questions you may have and so forth. Yes?

  • >> How does discipline figure into concentration? Does concentration take discipline or is it

  • discipline depend on concentration? >> YOUNG: I would say pretty much chicken

  • and egg. In other words, you need a certain minimum amount of discipline to set up a regimen

  • of practice. A regimen of practice is, as I mentioned, a little bit each day, a lot

  • every once in a while. By a lot, I mean at least four hours unbroken practice. And then

  • the other thing in the regimen is at least a couple of times a year, you have a personal

  • interaction with at least one coach. I don't believe in the whole guru system of gurus

  • and disciples. I look upon myself as a competent coach. So you want to touch base with a mediation

  • coach every once in a while who's looking at the big picture of your practice and can

  • give overall, so if--overall guidance. So if you can establish enough discipline to

  • get that in place, then as your concentration grows, your discipline grows. Now they start

  • to reinforce each other. Unfortunately, the beginning, then working at, you know and have

  • that going for you because people in general are not concentrated and people in general

  • are not disciplined, so you try to start somewhere. Now, I say if you can't–-if you can't be

  • disciplined, be clever; that's what I did. I trapped myself in a monastery in Japan with

  • no ticket back and no easy way out so--because I knew I wasn't disciplined. And then I was

  • trapped--now trapped in that environment and believe me, if there had been any easy way

  • out and back to the U.S., I would've taken it, but I was trapped and fortunately. So

  • what you can do here is you could sign up for retreats and then you can pay your money

  • and write it in ink, and put that every like, as I say it, every month I give these 4-hour

  • mini-retreats. You can go to basicmindforce.org, it's my main website. And so if you sign up

  • for the retreats for a year's worth and you play in advance, that's a way of trapping

  • yourself if you're not too disciplined. Good. Did you have a question or comment?

  • >> Yeah. You mentioned a few exponential growth and intuitive trends to improve concentration.

  • How do you measure that? >> YOUNG: We, at this point, only have the

  • anecdotal measurements of, you know, centuries of teachers teaching this and seeing what

  • their student experience is. We're only now starting to be able to quantify all of this.

  • That's part of that east-west dialogue that I talked about. I can--you can find a few

  • studies but these are--it's hard to find longitudinal studies that go for 10 or 20 years, for obvious

  • reasons, right, because Western science has only been studying this stuff for 10 or 20

  • years. So the answer is how do we know now, because teachers like myself observe--and

  • I've had students that have been with me for 30 years, and I see, okay, the ones that stayed

  • with it--I see as a general trend what tends to happen with their practice. So right now,

  • I can't point you to multi-center, actively controlled, double blind, you know, bulletproof,

  • scientific evidence that it works this way. I think we will have that in the next century.

  • Right now, it's the anecdotal evidence of hundreds of teachers, our experiences sort

  • of in this direction. Yes, Billy? >> I have a comment and I have a question.

  • >> YOUNG: Sure. >> So my comment is William James, the father

  • of modern psychology, it could basically be the same conclusion as you did and he called

  • the bottom layer. He said it's the basis of judgment, character and will. It's that important.

  • >> YOUNG: He said that? He called concentration? >> Yes, he call attention.

  • >> YOUNG: Attention? >> I believe it was attention and [INDISTINCT]

  • the basis of judgment, character and will. >> YOUNG: Yeah, that's a pretty good quote.

  • >> I think he say--he say--if--he said something like only that was possible. [INDISTINCT],

  • that'll be great. So that was the comment. The question is that when we play video games

  • on the Xbox--I don't know if you have it in Japan, do you have it now? And it's like,

  • it's very easy to concentrate on a game, and I'm wondering whether that form of concentration

  • is generalized because it's so pleasure [INDISTINCT] run.

  • >> YOUNG: Excellent and very interested point. But I'm not--I'm going to write down your

  • James quote. >> Yes, I have that for you.

  • >> YOUNG: That's really good. William James also said some other amazing things. He once

  • said--when he was lecturing, I believe, at Harvard, then there was a Buddhist monk in

  • the orange robe--probably a Southeast Asian--in the audience and he invited that Buddhist

  • monk to come up on the stage and now, this would be what, about hundred years ago? And

  • this is William James and he said, "In the next century, these are the people that you'll

  • be learning your psychology from." And it's from the past. Mindfulness is not a marginal

  • piece in Western psychology at this point. Mindfulness is the coolest, hottest thing

  • in psychotherapy at this point in history and mindfulness, although it's defined differently

  • by different people, is a notion directly taken from Theravada Buddhism, taken from

  • early Buddhism. So James actually literally correctly predicted the future.

  • >> James Date. >> YOUNG: Flip? We're going to flip the tape.

  • So now, go back to relaxation, see how quick you can go back. Comments? I love taking [INDISTINCT].

  • >> [INDISTINCT] >> The Xbox question.

  • >> YOUNG: Oh, the Xbox. That's right. You can--okay. It doesn't have to be as modern

  • as video games, it can be old. When you watch TV, you tend to enter a concentrative state.

  • Is that generalized? Does that build concentration skill? In general, no, it doesn't. And unfortunately,

  • I would suspect that playing the video games does not build skill. My metaphor: passive

  • exercise. If I grab your hand and raise it up and down 500 times, are you strengthening

  • your muscle? Not very much because it's happening to you; you're not exercising. There's not

  • an effort. So in the exercise that I gave you, your attention wandered, you brought

  • it back. The attention wandering would be analogous to the force of gravity. Coming

  • back to your object of meditation would be analogous to lifting the weight; that's going

  • to build strength. If you just let somebody move your body for you, you're not really

  • developing strength. So certain things will put you in a concentrated state but don't

  • have much potential to build concentration. Playing video games, watching TV, I'm afraid

  • do not build much concentration. Now, is there a way that you could--let's take--let's take

  • those--something like listening to music. Is there a way that you could do that where

  • it would build concentration? And the answer is yes, but there has to be a disciplined

  • technique. How about watching television? Could you watch television in a way that you

  • actually elevated your base level of concentration in daily life? And the answer is yes, but

  • you would have to have a very disciplined, focused technique. And in fact, I teach people

  • how to do it. I teach people, but I teach them in incremental steps. First, eyes closed,

  • just listening to the sounds. Now, can we still be in the meditative state with that

  • sonic impact? Okay. Now, open your eyes; turn off the video, the audio. Can you look at

  • the pictures and still keep meditated? Okay. Now, can you look at the pictures and listen

  • and still be--in a minute--in a consciously meditating on the television experience. If

  • you can do that, then you can use TV to build, otherwise, video games and TV will probably

  • unfortunately not. We developed a program--well, let's put it this way. Just historically,

  • three years ago, the Dalai Lama spoke to a group of scientists. I think many of you know

  • that the Dalai Lama--well, let me just say there's no central organization in Buddhism

  • like Catholicism; you have a pope and that's like--that speaks for all of Catholicism.

  • Buddhism is at the other end of the organizational spectrum. There's no central organization,

  • no one speaks for all Buddhists. Nobody even speaks for large groups of Buddhists officially;

  • it's very decentralized. However, if there was someone in the world--who the world listened

  • to as representing the Buddhists of the world, that would be the Dalai Lama of Tibet. And

  • some of you may know that this Dalai Lama is very gung-ho on science and is very much

  • a believer that not only is Buddhism and science compatible, they are actually natural allies.

  • So, that--in other words he, the Dalai Lama, takes the same stand that I said I just--that

  • I hid upon 30 years ago, 40 years ago. Forty years ago, it occurred to me, "Oh, Western

  • science and Eastern science, they're natural allies. They go together. They can learn from

  • each other, they can reinforce." Well, I hid upon that for my own reasons independently

  • but other people, as is often the case, were having similar ideas, and one of them, fortunately,

  • is the Dalai Lama who speaks with this enormous voice that's heard all over the world even

  • though he doesn't actually technically have an official status. So he is in favor of an

  • active collaboration between the Western science and Buddhist meditation experience, and he

  • has--I have personally like literally been standing six feet from him when he made the

  • statement: "If anything ever comes up in science that clearly contradicts traditional Buddhism,

  • then we'll simply have to abandon that aspect of traditional Buddhism." And that's an amazing

  • statement. Imagine the Pope, this Pope, for example, saying, "Oh, by the way, and we really

  • apologize about Galileo and all the other people and from now on, you know, any conflicts--if

  • it looks like we're wrong, we're wrong; science wins." I mean, you can't quite imagine that

  • happen, right? What to say if the real fundamentalist types in Islam, Protestant Christianity and

  • Judaism, you just can't imagine them saying anything like that. But here we have the Dalai

  • Lama saying, we're confident enough that there's a core experiential truth in Buddhism that

  • we will--we will completely--he wants Buddhism to disappear basically and simply become part

  • of science. That's an amazing statement on the part of a so-called religious leader.

  • So anyway, the Dalai Lama--we got a little off track, but you may not know these things

  • and they are interesting to know what our world has become, why our world is very different

  • from the world of the '50s that I was born into. I would never, in my wildest imaginings,

  • thought that such a culture shift would take place in my own culture in North America.

  • But in many event--so the Dalai Lama got together with a bunch of scientists, some of whom are

  • friends of mine, and charged them with the task of finding a way that we could teach

  • legitimate meditative skills, which essentially needs concentration skills, that we can teach

  • those to the children of the world. The young people of the world, how can we reach them?

  • So I knew that there had been this sort of call, so I started--I put on my thinking cap

  • and it occurred to me that if you're 14 years old, there--this is relevant, by the way,

  • to my comment even though it's long winded. If you're 14 years old, what are two good

  • reasons that you don't want to sit still and focus on something with your eyes closed?

  • Well, the first good reason is it looks weird and when you're young you don't want to do

  • anything that looks weird. Second, it's boring and you don't want to do anything that's boring.

  • However, if you think about it, there is something that--there is something that kids will be

  • doing, okay? Their eyes are closed and they're attending to something and then not moving

  • for a period of time and what would they be doing?

  • >> Listening to music. >> YOUNG: Listening to music on their iPod.

  • So we designed a music-based mindfulness program. The concentration object is music or your

  • emotional reaction to the music or your mental reaction to the music or any state of restfulness

  • that the music may produce. You can--we have this on YouTube. So, we've created a thing

  • where kids could listen to whatever music they wanted but they had to listen in a certain

  • way and report on their experience. And then they would start to go into high concentrated

  • states as they're listening to the music while the experience of the music becomes more ecstatic.

  • So we developed a way of listening to music where it's not passive exercise but they're

  • enjoying themselves; it's not weird, it's not boring, but within 18 months at the Youth

  • Center in Burlington, Vermont, where I come from, we--actually, with music-based mindfulness

  • completely revolutionized that entire subculture to where they now want to give us our own

  • dedicated building just for an iPod-based meditation for teenagers in Vermont. So there

  • is a way to make use of that concentrating force in external media but you can't just

  • do it passively, there has to be some structure and discipline. Do you have other questions

  • or comments? Yes. >> Do you think it's possible to build concentration

  • by trying to build a skill like say, Lance Armstrong doing a bicycle race where he's

  • to [INDISTINCT] now and focus on being the first person to finish the race? Does that

  • build the same kind of concentration that focusing on physical comfort for a long period

  • of time with the brain? >> YOUNG: Yes and no. What happens is that

  • people that do certain performances like music or sports will have transient, short experiences

  • of being in a high concentrative state, an extraordinary concentrative state, maybe a

  • profoundly altered state where time slows down and there's like this distance in this

  • very altered state. Now, the locker room term for this is to be in the zone, okay? That's

  • a great term. And Ted Williams, the baseball player, he described what--when you're in

  • the zone, which is just a secular sports term for being in a high concentrated state while

  • you're playing, how Ted William said he knew he was in his zone was when the ball came

  • at him, he could see the stitching. I think that ball is traveling close to 100 miles

  • an hour, okay? That his concentration was such that he can see the individual stitches

  • on the ball. So--and I know of musicians that enter the zone. There's another term that

  • is used, a flow state, that's another secular term for a concentrated state that you enter

  • naturally during some activity. Well, here's the deal. People that enter these states associated

  • with a certain sport or a performance art typically are not aware that it can be generalized

  • and they don't attempt to generalize it, and as soon as that performance art is over or

  • the sports event is over, they're very much out of the zone. So unless somebody points

  • out to them that you can--remember I said that it would get deeper and broader? Unless

  • somebody instructs them and they discipline themselves in attempting to broaden it, what

  • happens is that they have a temporary state that does not generalize to daily life, so

  • that they miss out on that window of opportunity. Now, what the Zen teachers did in Japan is

  • they realized that people were interested in arts whether we're interested in tea ceremony

  • or playing the koto or flower arranging in the traditional society, right? This is hundreds

  • of years ago. And men we're interested in fighting because it was samurai that ran the

  • country. So they realized that, because people were doing these arts, that they could instruct

  • people in doing the arts in a way that would then generalize to their life, and that's

  • where you get Zen and the art of sword fighting or Zen and the art of the tea ceremony. But

  • what happens is--what the Zen masters in Japan complain about is all people want to do is

  • they just want to do the art part, that they don't want to do the Zen part. Where they

  • would say don't want to do the work of carrying it from--they want to be in a focused state

  • while they do their art but they're not willing to extend it to daily life, so that's not

  • really a Zen and the art of it. So the--most Zen teachers are contemptuous in Japan of

  • Zen and the art of because they see that the art always ends up dominating rather than

  • the Zen. So the answer is--and that's sad, even tragic because you know the expression

  • "So near yet so far?" These people, when they're performing like when they do the extreme endurance

  • sports or whatever, they are really, really, really in the meditative state and deeply

  • so, but they'll--most of them will never broadly be so. It will always be confined because

  • the conceptual horizon is limited and there's no one like me say, "Oh, you ain't seen nothing

  • yet." Wait--okay, so when you--like I knew this piano player. He was, like, as good a

  • piano player as any piano player that ever lived, but he had a lot of psychological problems

  • and couldn't get his shit together basically. But this guy was as good as any, as good any.

  • And when he would play, he would absolutely go into a meditative state but as soon as

  • he wasn't playing, he was just screwed up. And I tried as best I could to teach him,

  • "Hey, you're playing in that state, now the next morning when the reviews in the newspaper

  • come out, stay in that state as you read the pros and cons about," okay, "and stay in that

  • state when you attempt to have a manager to get your life together," but he just couldn't.

  • He would do it when he played and he was just not wanting to extend it. And so when you

  • hear about this person, he could've been as famous as anyone because he just couldn't

  • make it broader. He could make it deeper while he was playing. So the potential is hugely

  • there but seldom realize it was performance arts. Yes?

  • >> Just like you said for a sports sector, some people have natural talents for some

  • things, and you're saying, in your experiences, there's a big, wide fluctuation in ability

  • that people bring into the development of concentration?

  • >> YOUNG: Very intelligent question. >> Most people aren't...

  • >> YOUNG: Is there a range of natural abilities for meditation? And the answer is yes. Have

  • we yet to quantify that in a scientifically acceptable way? No. We're not there yet, but

  • it is my anecdotal experience that there's a huge range. Now, the danger in telling you

  • that is the assumption is I'm at the low end of the tail. I'm at the--you know, I'm the

  • free standard deviations to the non-desirable. Okay, that's the assumption, right? Everybody

  • makes sense. I say well, actually, there is, you know, there's a sort of bell curve distribution.

  • The assumption is I'm all these--I'm three sigmas in the direction I want to be. Okay?

  • That's what everybody thinks but of course, most of you are pretty much in the middle,

  • right? And meaning that with rare exception--well, even if you're three sigmas from the mean

  • in terms of lacking native skills, if you stay with it long enough, you could make up

  • for that. I would say, in my case, that I probably have a little less than average native

  • ability at meditating, somewhat less than average. But I was clever; I trapped myself

  • in a situation where, for the extended period of time, I just had no choice, so I became

  • professional level meditator. And I think the fact that I don't have the natural proclivity

  • is actually good because it took me a long time so I had to go through a lot of frustration

  • and difficulty and failure which actually now makes me a good teacher because when other

  • people are experiencing that, I've experienced that myself. So I think that it was bad in

  • the beginning but it's paid off at the end. But are there the equivalent of geniuses in

  • the field of meditation? Yeah. One of them was the historical Buddha himself who basically

  • was able to do every meditation technique that anybody ever taught him just instantly.

  • He seemed to just have an ability to do that. I have had students that basically could master

  • everything pretty much instantaneously; that's rare. Then I've had people that are still

  • struggling after 15, 20 years but it was still moved even though they're still struggling

  • in their techniques and their concentration is sort of a little dicey but still their

  • life has changed enough that it was worth those 10 minutes a day and, you know, that

  • four hours per month. It was still worth it. So even if you're not--if you don't have a

  • lot of native ability, you could make up for that by staying with it. But I do think there's

  • a range. The traditional explanation for that range is former lives. That may or may not

  • be the case. When we encounter students that just couldn't do it and just could do it;

  • they can do everything and they take classical enlightenment very quickly. Sometimes on their

  • first retreat, they actually--like it just happens. Traditionally, they had said, "Well,

  • that person had practiced that in a thousand lifetimes previously," et cetera, et cetera.

  • I'm not saying I necessarily believe that is true. In fact, it's highly improbable;

  • it's not true but that is the truth, that's sort of the explanation why the differences:

  • karmic effect from previous lives. I tend to think more genes and upbringing but, you

  • know, pick your paradigm. We'll take one more. That has been excellent questions.

  • >> Just going along with the exercise analogy. Do you think that there's a meditative equivalent

  • to eating junk food or like something that would be detrimental to your concentration?

  • Like some activity that would train your concentration [INDISTINCT].

  • >> YOUNG: Well, training out of concentration skill. So then, here's the sad news: yes,

  • there is the equivalent of, whatever you say, anti-exercise. It's called all human culture

  • at this point in history. Not just western culture, all human culture. So, you know,

  • you develop the skill at throwing a certain kind of ball through a certain kind of target

  • or plucking strings in a certain way to make certain sounds and you get huge celebrity,

  • huge credibility or huge everything because you develop those skills and all cultures

  • in all of the world will reinforce that skill set. Playing the guitar, shooting basketball,

  • okay. So where are the Academy Awards for most outstanding example of equanimity in

  • the year 2010? Okay, longest continuous meditative sit, longest continuous meditative sit by

  • a non Asian, okay? We could help the Academy Awards, you know, for meditative skills. We

  • could have a society that constantly reminded you that those are more than fundamental,

  • but no human cultures does that. Now there are artificial cultures, monastic cultures

  • that do that and that's why people go off and live in these artificial cultures. East

  • and west, it's the same. Christianity has its own monastic culture, which at one point,

  • was absolutely central to the Christian endeavor. However, ever since the 16th century, reformation

  • and counter-reformation and many other social upheavals, even people with a strong background

  • in Christianity don't realize that at one point not that long ago, their religion was

  • primarily meditative. But there are monasteries all over Europe and St. Benedict, who set

  • up the monastic system, said there's one reason and one reason only for going into a monastery,

  • and that's not chastity, obedience and poverty. It is to attain the recollected state. What

  • is the recollected state? Well the word "recollect" in modern English means to remember, but that's

  • not what it literally means in Latin. Recolligere, "Re" means back, "con" means together, and

  • "legere" means took place. So what does it mean to pull back together or it means to

  • take scattered around us and re-concentrate your soul? The recollected state is the Christian

  • term, the traditional western term for what in the east is called Somadi, which morpheme

  • for morpheme, means to say, it's like "som" means together, "A" means back and "da" means

  • took place. So Somadi is bringing your attention back and "recollectio" it means exactly the

  • same thing. So, in the Western--at the Christian monasteries, people went into an artificial

  • culture that would constantly be reminding them through silence, through symbols and

  • their prayers, whatever, "Hey, you're here to develop the recollected state." And a deep

  • recollected state is called infused contemplation which was taken to be a direct experience

  • of the Christian tribute of God according to that formulation. In the east, same thing,

  • we're on the monastic cultures. In East Asia, Southeast Asia and so forth, those are artificial

  • environments where, everyday from the time you wake up to the time you go to sleep, everything

  • in that culture is reminding you of concentration, sensory clarity, equanimity, and other meditative

  • skills. So, the equivalent of anti-meditation is human culture. That's not to dishuman culture,

  • okay? We want the best of both worlds. At one time in the past, it may not have been

  • this way. In the distant past, the prehistoric past, in the pre-literate lives of our remote

  • ancestors, if you interact, if you've been privileged as I have to have intimate interactions

  • with tribal people who have not been completely culturally be genocided, you'll see that many--I'm

  • not saying all--but many of them, their lifestyle puts them into a meditative state. If you

  • look at Amazonian Indians, okay, that have not had much contact or you look at American

  • Indians that have kept up their own culture, you'll see that they have the same eyes as

  • meditators, as advanced contemporaries. So, there was a time in the past, before things

  • got technological, where our remote ancestors--presumably, the lifestyle reinforced these values. That

  • has not been the case for 10, 20,000 years. What is to follow? Well, I think what is to

  • follow, I would hope, would be the best of both worlds. Meaning we have all this technology

  • and all this power and all this culture, but we also are able to go back to this more primordial

  • human experience where your way of dealing with challenges--because you don't have technology,

  • you don't have knowledge--all you could do is just become one with what's happening in

  • a high concentrated state. Now to me, I would see the future of humanity, the ideal I would

  • hold out for the future of humanity is an integration where our technology and our science

  • continues to move forward but in a way that allows large numbers of human people to go

  • back to a meditative world, so then we have the best of both worlds at the same time.

  • That's what I and people like me, many others that sort of share this east-west vision,

  • are seeking to bring about. And that's what gets me up in the morning and what keeps me

  • from being down because I can't say what the future will hold--who can say that? That would

  • be completely irresponsible. However, I say based on what I know of science as a pretty

  • good amateur and based on what I know about meditation as a definitely confident professional,

  • it is not hard for me to imagine that the future of humanity will be very different

  • from what it's been for the last thousands of years but in a way that is the best of

  • both worlds. So that--because it is not hard for me to envision that and because I know

  • that in a little way by things like what I'm doing here, I am participating in moving the

  • culture that way. Now, I don't get bummed out, burned out, or freaked out when I see

  • the labiate horrors that is the 6:00 o'clock news, because to me that's local and I see

  • global. I see--okay, what's the next century going to hold? When I think about that, what

  • I see is that the best of the west and the best of the east have begun a mating dance;

  • they're dating. They haven't even really seriously made out yet, okay? But when they finally

  • get around to making children 50 years from now and when you start to have teams of enlightened

  • neuroscientists. Because now you're getting--you get a feel. There's a man named James Austin

  • who wrote--what's his latest one? >> Hold on, the Zen and the Brain.

  • >> YOUNG: Yes, but is--I think it's non-self-awareness, selfless awareness and the right, something

  • like that. Anyway, Jim Austin is part of this group that I consider myself part of. So he

  • was a--he was a neurosurgeon. Went to Japan, did traditional Zen training, got traditional

  • Zen enlightenment, sign, sealed, affirmed by an authentic Zen master. What's the first

  • thing he again--then he started writing books and what does he say? He says, okay, something

  • really, really changed inside of me. And it changed suddenly and it's dramatic, and it

  • has, you know, completely turned my world, my paradigm upside down. I got to ask myself,

  • okay, this happened under the tutelage of the Japanese Zen master, but it's a westerner

  • who knows the brain. I got to ask myself, what changed inside, functional role anatomy,

  • because something had to change. If there' this big change in perception, then the neuronal

  • base, there's got to be neuronal correlates of this. And he's writing books, not giving

  • an answer to the question but posing a question. A case could be made, a case has been made

  • that in sciences, the most valuable thing is not the answers. It's not even what the

  • questions is--the questions are. I would claim that the question that Jim Austin and myself

  • and people like us are asking which is what are the neurophysiological correlates of classical

  • Buddhist enlightenment. That is perhaps the question of--maybe of all time because if

  • we ever crack that that would utterly change and dramatically change and quickly change

  • the course of human history for the better because we would have a scientific paradigm

  • for something that we not only have anecdotal paradigm for. And I see that as coming in

  • the next 100 years. I see that as feasible and therefore, as I say, you know, I look

  • at the big picture and I'm excited, I'm happy. I don't get bummed out by the local vagaries

  • of history. I mentioned the great quote by the great William James. I'll give you another

  • quote by Arnold Toynbee, famous historian who said when all is said and done, it may

  • turn out to be the case today that the single most important event of the 20th century--now

  • think of all the things that happened in the 20th century. Toynbee, who is a big picture

  • historian, says it may turn out that in the end, the single most important event of the

  • 20th century will be seen as the discovery on the part of the west of Buddhism, because

  • it will change Buddhism and essentially eliminate the superstition that--it represents a large

  • part of traditional Buddhism, but it may change the whole world. Because scientists will begin

  • to ask the question like Jim Austin is asking, "Hey, what's going on here neuroanatomically?

  • And what does this mean?" And once you have your science, then you have your technology.

  • And my happiest hope, my happiest thought is that someday meditation cushions and bells

  • like this will be in museums, okay? No one will--you won't have to do it that way anymore

  • because I'm not going to be able to do it. Now, what's that other way? Well, we can't

  • know because before you have to do technology, you have to have the new science. And we don't

  • have the new science, but at least we have people asking the questions that will lead

  • to the new science, and now you're a part of that. So, thank you.

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