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  • >> Stanford University.

  • [ Applause ]

  • >> Ladies and gentleman, please welcome,

  • Stanford University President John Hennessy.

  • >> Thank you.

  • [ Applause ]

  • >> Thank you.

  • It's my great honor to welcome His High Holiness,

  • the 14th Dalai Lama back to Stanford.

  • We're delighted that the Office of Religious Life and our School

  • of Medicine, and the Center for Compassion

  • and Altruism Research could help us organize this

  • wonderful event.

  • We have with us, in addition to the Dalai Lama,

  • his long-term interpreter Geshe Jinpa

  • who has helped put this visit together and Dr. Jim Doty

  • who is head of this Center for Compassion

  • and Altruism Research.

  • Today, the Dalai Lama will speak on the centrality of compassion

  • and later this afternoon we'll give the Rathburn lecture

  • in memorial church.

  • When the Dalai Lama received the Nobel Prize 21 years ago,

  • he said, "I'm just a simple monk."

  • But I can tell you when I first met him five years ago that he's

  • so much more than just a simple monk.

  • I still remember that visit because it is one

  • of the most memorable moments of my life and when I meet

  • with our undergraduates, they say, "Well,

  • you've met world leaders.

  • You've met presidents.

  • You've met Nobel Prize winners.

  • But who is the most interesting

  • and impressive person you've met?"

  • And I say it has to be that meeting with the Dalai Lama.

  • Two things immediately impressed me.

  • He is an individual who radiates joy and happiness [laughter].

  • You feel it.

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  • >> The joy of living, the joy of creation just comes

  • out when you're in his presence and he's speaking.

  • The other thing I discovered is he has a wonderful sense

  • of humor and he can make people laugh without hurting

  • or injuring anyone's feelings, and I learned when I was

  • with him that you could do that in a way

  • that was truly wonderful.

  • So please join me in welcoming His High Holiness,

  • the Dalai Lama back to Stanford.

  • [ Applause ]

  • >> Sorry, sorry, careful, careful, careful.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • [ Applause ]

  • >> Thank you.

  • [ Inaudible Remark ]

  • [ Applause ]

  • [ Laughter ]

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  • [ Inaudible Discussion ]

  • >> Good morning everybody.

  • [ Foreign Language ]

  • >> I think I want to stand there to see more faces [laughter].

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  • [ Foreign Language ]

  • >> Dear brothers and sisters,

  • and [inaudible] long time friend [inaudible].

  • Indeed, I'm very happy once more come here and meet people.

  • Some of them, long time friend and most of you new, I think.

  • I always feel it is important to meet and share some

  • of my own sort of views on the basis of my own experience

  • and also I think some observation.

  • I think those compare young student,

  • suppose I have more experience.

  • [Laughter] You just begin the real life.

  • Now, I am now ready to say bye-bye.

  • [Laughter] So the-- some sort of also the useful points

  • which I already have experienced, so you may learn

  • from these things may be some help.

  • But then afterward, question and answer.

  • Through that way, I also, you see, get some kind of,

  • I usually say education.

  • The different questions and sometimes question

  • which I never sort of talk about it, but then such sort

  • of new questions come that very helpful

  • to think certain new point more them to be.

  • So, that's also very helpful to my self.

  • So I'm very happy and of course I want

  • to thank the [inaudible] people who organized this opportunity.

  • Then I talk with people from my side also no feeling of barrier,

  • and when you put some questions

  • from your side also should not feel any sort of barrier.

  • We are same human being.

  • Mentally, emotionally, physically, we are the same.

  • Then, no matter what appearances that we all have desire

  • to achieve happy life.

  • And really every one have the right to achieve happy life.

  • So same, 100 percent same on this level,

  • and then particularly now to this world.

  • In reality, I think no longer the concept of we and they.

  • Entire now nearly 7 billion human beings should consider

  • part of we because individual future depend on them.

  • So for-- from one's own sort of interest,

  • you have to think whole planet, whole humanity.

  • So that is reality.

  • Not like ancient time.

  • Ancient time, the concept of we and they very strong

  • because interest something more or less I think independent.

  • So according to that circumstance,

  • the concept of war, destruction of they, victory of we.

  • Now, that concept or that concept outdated

  • because new reality no longer

  • that much sort of gate of salvation.

  • So now, my doctrine [foreign language].

  • >> Compassion in human life and the society.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> Actually there's a theme difference of word

  • or different factors but more or less I think hundreds

  • of my talk more or less same subject.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> I think firstly, I believe, we human being

  • by nature all according to those people who believe creator

  • that we human being created as a social animal.

  • So any social animal in order to survive, cooperation or sense

  • of community is very essential.

  • In this tiny animal, those social animals,

  • there are no religious faith, no constitution, no government,

  • but they work together because the nature creates

  • such that individual survival depends on community.

  • So you also, a social animal saw the ultimate soul

  • or severe factor bring together this warmheartedness

  • and genuine cooperation, work together with sense

  • of responsibility to take care common interest.

  • So unity, friendship is very important.

  • Friendship from power, from money, artificial friendship.

  • Genuine friendship on the basis of trust.

  • Trust comes from openness, transparent, honest.

  • Then trust comes-- on the basis of trust, real friendship comes.

  • So since we are social animal, the genuine friendship or sense

  • of one community is really essential.

  • So trust so long one individual's deep insight,

  • self-centered attitude,

  • very strong self-centered attitude there then there is

  • always is possible to cheat other, to bully other,

  • exploit other so long that kind of mental attitude,

  • mental tendency there you cannot speak truthful,

  • honest, transparent.

  • It is necessary somewhere to hypocrisy,

  • smile but some different motivation.

  • So on that basis, how can you develop trust?

  • So openheartedness or genuine sense of concern of well-being

  • of other, that is [inaudible].

  • So now, human being as a social animal, the fundamentals

  • or the basis of our success or happiness depends

  • on that motivation, compassionate motivation.

  • Now regarding compassion, I usually see telling people

  • and according to my own sort

  • of observation basically three ways, three methods,

  • or three different way of approach

  • for promoting this human value.

  • Number one, traditional religion, the Christianity,

  • Islam, Judaism, and many other.

  • Many Hindus believe creator.

  • So every religion which believe creator

  • when they describe creator, the infinite love and through

  • that way when you totally submit or dedicate or submit yourself

  • to god, creator which is infinite love

  • that reduce self-centered attitude

  • and then a religion talking importance of love, compassion,

  • forgiveness, these things in spite

  • of different philosophy all give same message.

  • So that's one way of promoting compassion or warmheartedness.

  • Then second, those nontraditional religion

  • like Buddhism, Jainism.

  • Mainly these two religions,

  • no concept of creator but law of causality.

  • So through that way, from that viewpoint,

  • ultimately yourself is creator so all our sort of happiness

  • or suffering, all these due to one's own action.

  • You carry right action, action which benefit to other.

  • Helping other brings some happiness, joyfulness on other.

  • Result? You get a benefit from any action

  • which is harming other, bring pains on other,

  • the result you will face the individual consequences.

  • So there's a law of causality.

  • That's also one way to promote these values

  • because I want happiness, I do not want suffering.

  • So I have to think seriously about the causes

  • of these two experiences so since I want happy life,

  • I have to carry some activities which helping other,

  • which benefit to other.

  • Since I do not want suffering, I should not harm other.

  • That also one way of promoting these values.

  • Then judging also the-- also the--

  • say out of nearly seven billion human being,

  • quite a big portion, no interest about any religion, any faith.

  • This also human being and very important because part

  • of the six billion human being if not majority but big portion

  • of nearly seven billion human being are essentially

  • a nonbeliever.

  • So to some people have the view, some religious sort of--

  • I think believe any moral ethics must be based

  • on religious faith.

  • Of course, they have their own reasons but if you believe

  • that then it becomes very narrow.

  • >> So now here mainly now according Indian tradition.

  • India's constitution itself and based-- according to secularism.

  • So sometimes some of my friend, some Christians,

  • some Muslim when they heard the word secularism they believe

  • something disrespect in one tradition.

  • So I don't think according

  • to Indian understanding secularism is rather respect

  • all religions.

  • No preference.

  • This religion or that religion.

  • Because India thousand years its reality is there are

  • so many different traditions there.

  • So you must respect all the tradition.

  • So therefore, according to that concept,

  • secularism does not mean disrespect religion.

  • And also in ancient time, I think last, I think more

  • than 2000, maybe 3000 years

  • in India among different sort of school of thought.

  • One school of thought nihilistic view,

  • Sanskrit word or Hindu word jivaka.

  • So usually it's considered that is nihilism.

  • Some of my Indian friend is telling me after 3000 years,

  • many creators or great thinkers or religious leaders argue,

  • criticism, criticize about that view.

  • But the person who holding that view refer rishi.

  • Rishi means sage, sage.

  • So, there is sort of also the attitude,

  • respect holding that nihilism.

  • So one of my Indian friends, of course,

  • actually the former Japan minister, once he told me one

  • of the reasons why democratic system is successful

  • in India lasted nearly 70 years.

  • Because thousand years, they sort of followed Buddhism

  • and also sort of this habit to respect people

  • who have different view.

  • And as far as that view is concerned, much critical.

  • However, respect.

  • So secularism now here I think, I feel, I usually just try

  • to promote human value or compassion to secularly.

  • That will not against any religion but actually,

  • I think I believe all the measure

  • of tradition has come from that basis.

  • So all religion actually strengthening basic human good

  • quality, that's basis--

  • basically that's the human value, secular values.

  • Now here, the way promoting inner value, secularly how.

  • I usually--

  • [ Foreign Language ]

  • >> Three components.

  • >> Or three components maybe.

  • Number one, we human beings like some other mammals like dogs,

  • cats, many birds, their survival entirely depend on others care,

  • particularly mother's care.

  • So we human beings, our very life start that way.

  • So as soon as we are born our first deep experience

  • and happy experience is mother take care and provide us milk.

  • So at that time the child no sort of idea who is that person.

  • But biological factor teach them to sort of trust

  • and when mother is taking care is a tremendous feeling

  • of joyfulness.

  • So that's the way our life start.

  • And those people who received maximum affection, maximum care

  • from our parent, particularly our mother,

  • in whole life their emotion,

  • also their deep insight much stable, much happier,

  • more secure than those people who on early being

  • of their childhood lacked of affection.

  • One time in Poland and many years ago,

  • I think my first visit there, one sort of orphanage.

  • They described these children are unwanted children.

  • So really terrible.

  • Of course, the foster parents are there.

  • >> Foster parent.

  • >> Foster parent eventually, I think,

  • can become real parent then maybe different.

  • Otherwise, it is very difficult and particularly those child

  • who at early age see abuse, experience abuse, like that.

  • I think hold their rest of life with some problems

  • and the physicals of their health, also some connection.

  • So in their tradition, I always is happy to mention my own case.

  • My parents illiterate, uneducated, just a villager,

  • farmer but very, very compassionate,

  • particularly my mother.

  • Father sometimes quite often lose temper

  • but my mother really, almost we never saw

  • on her face some kind of negative face.

  • We never saw.

  • Her sort of compassionate attitude not only towards her

  • own children but other children also,

  • particularly those children of beggar.

  • She very much showing concern and love or sometimes I also,

  • you see, share my own sort

  • of stupid experience, drastic experience.

  • You know, since my mother so much love to me as usually,

  • as usual very young sort of child carrying

  • by mother on shoulder.

  • So then I usually hold two ears of my mother.

  • I want to go this side, at this side, go like that.

  • If mother didn't listen then I cry and my leg pumping there.

  • I think I really was acting like a naughty boy there, a stupid--

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> Spoiled child.

  • >> Spoiled child.

  • So, I believe that experience I think really imprint in my mind

  • but deeply the-- so perhaps I think my own sort te

  • model compassion.

  • Of course later, but it's sort

  • of practiced also you see [inaudible].

  • But the very seed of that come from my mother.

  • Then, because emotional level, no matter

  • and so how difficult it is but deep inside some kind

  • of open heart, compassionate heart.

  • That brings in us that-- this fear.

  • That also is very important for body element.

  • So, now this is number one reason, we--

  • everybody come from our mother.

  • All have same seed of compassion.

  • No question.

  • Nobody can argue with that.

  • The second, using our common sense.

  • Whether in east, west, south, north, any human group

  • or human family were more compassion in the atmosphere,

  • affections at home always much happier.

  • And your neighboring families,

  • the family where often anger dominate

  • or [inaudible] jealousy dominate.

  • No peace. No happy atmosphere.

  • Where the family which full of affection, full of trust,

  • full of friendship, much happier.

  • That happiness cannot bring, buy money.

  • Rich family, this basic human value lacking,

  • not necessarily happy.

  • Poor family, material facility poor,

  • but these basic human values, they're much happier.

  • So that's using our common sense.

  • Then, third reason.

  • No scientific sort of-- sort of finding,

  • latest the scientific finding.

  • Constant fear, constant anger, hate remain here.

  • Actually eating our immune system,

  • some scientists say that.

  • Calm mind, compassionate mind.

  • Sometimes even increasing this passage of body element.

  • So therefore, I often have seen,

  • mentioned one occasion I think 10, 13 years ago, one occasion

  • in New York area, one sort of meeting with scientists.

  • Now that kind of meeting now since last I think

  • about in 30 years, we have, you see, we caring using that kind

  • of sort of discussion or dialogue.

  • So one occasion, one doctor make in his presentation,

  • you see he mentioned those people who often use word I,

  • mine, me, like that, there's greater chance of heart attack.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> He didn't explain.

  • Then I thought, oh, it may be true because, you see the person

  • who often you see come from his or her mouth this word,

  • it simply is reflection of their thinking.

  • Of course there one way

  • that person is a little bit quite honest.

  • So, what he or she really feels expressed,

  • but sometimes we're quite clever.

  • Is the real feeling always hiding

  • and expressed, use few nice words.

  • So, you know the person who often come these words, they--

  • his or her in deep feeling "I" is the center,

  • self centered attitude.

  • So with that, as I mentioned earlier,

  • sometimes I just got our inner door closed.

  • So, with that feeling, difficult to communicate

  • with other people, other fellow human being,

  • which your successful life depends on them.

  • But those that you feel little discontent.

  • So that brings in deep insight sense

  • of insecurity, sense of loneliness.

  • That brings blood pressure increase, too much stress,

  • too much anxiety, so heart attack.

  • So, therefore, using these three sub reasons, we can develop--

  • I mean, using the third and the main--

  • yes, these three secular way, not talking about religion,

  • not talking about next life or heaven,

  • simply how to be happy human being,

  • how to be happy human family.

  • Money alone, no.

  • Now here, I usually because of the-- [inaudible].

  • These days, I sort

  • of [inaudible] 'cause I develop one new view here, new view.

  • That is last, at least I think 3, 4000 years, you see,

  • or 5000 years we develop faith which that provides hope.

  • And when we're really facing desperate situation, pray to God

  • or pray to Buddha at that.

  • So, that gives us some random basis of hope.

  • Then, about I think last two centuries, I think more

  • than two centuries, science develop.

  • With that, technology develop.

  • So many them which previously just pray.

  • Now that actually now produce--

  • becomes reality with help of technology and science.

  • So, we're very much excited.

  • And now, all our hope put on science and the technology.

  • A lot of sort of-- a lot of change,

  • positive change you see develop.

  • There's also recently one the-- once again partner,

  • this Bihar state in India, Bihar state.

  • It is capital partner, Bihar state,

  • the Bodh Gaya located in Bihar state.

  • So in partner, the state government constructed huge

  • Buddhist temple.

  • So some ceremony, open ceremony, for ceremony he invited me

  • and some delegations from different Buddhist countries.

  • I'm there, so--

  • >> So, and then chief minister, you see, your open statement,

  • your open, open statement.

  • You see, he mentioned what is the--

  • at one point, you see he mentioned Buddha's blessing,

  • Bihar state will flourish [inaudible],

  • mentioned economically usually.

  • >> Flourish.

  • >> Flourish.

  • Then my turn to talk.

  • I know this minister very well.

  • So I half joke, half serious.

  • I mentioned if the developmental prosperity of the poor state

  • of Bihar due to Buddha's blessing,

  • then I think the Bihar state must earlier should [inaudible],

  • should develop because Buddha's blessing always there.

  • But till able chief minister come, development not happen.

  • So, therefore, Buddha's blessing may be there

  • but Buddha's blessing must go to human hand, human action.

  • So that I believe.

  • I think last several thousand years we're just praying

  • but not satisfied-- satisfactory as that.

  • Through technology, a lot of benefit has come.

  • Now, later part of 20th century, those people

  • who have all these facilities, material facilities,

  • now begin to feel there is limitation about material value.

  • I think you should, you know much better I think these

  • things, so American, you see, you--

  • you have all the material facilities,

  • isn't it, generally speaking.

  • Of course America, there are poor people,

  • a lot of poor people also there.

  • One of the [inaudible] because of the--

  • 'cause of the drawback [inaudible],

  • drawback is this huge gap reaching

  • for human just [inaudible].

  • Sit there.

  • So in anyway, so in anyway, does it begin--

  • people begin to feel there is limitation

  • and among the scientists also, before they only, you see,

  • watch or observe or investigate something, external thing.

  • They not much pay attention about scientists themselves.

  • So now, because of the much development about brain science,

  • neuron science, now more [inaudible] more attention

  • about mind, relation between mind and brain.

  • Whether there is separate entity on mind or not.

  • Now these now gradually [inaudible].

  • There's economy level.

  • Then practical level,

  • those medical scientists now realize our emotion is

  • so important for good health.

  • So recently a few occasion, they are meeting,

  • they call healthy body, healthy mind.

  • There's no point to neglect about a healthy mind.

  • So, scientists in the medical field, now they begin

  • to see the importance of mental state for good health.

  • So, later part of 20th century, now something changing now.

  • Not only material sort of development,

  • but internal development is equally important.

  • And also in a social sort of--

  • 'cause of the social scientist way.

  • They also now found some unhealthy sort of situation

  • in society, particularly on the youth.

  • Like in Japan, materially, highly developed.

  • But there's a lot of suicide,

  • a lot of depression among young people.

  • And some other countries also, some senselessly killing

  • in classroom, these things happen.

  • So, some social scientist, they begin to feel in the society,

  • in the family we are lacking affection.

  • So these children, I'll say not adequate

  • for us today [inaudible].

  • Equip sort of the affection or like that.

  • And then also world peace, now more and more people realize,

  • real peace must come through inner peace.

  • So now question is how to develop calm mind, inner peace.

  • Tranquilizer?

  • No. Drug? No.

  • Alcohol? No.

  • [Laughter] So the inner peace is a kind of mind, mental state.

  • So, inner peace must develop through mental--

  • through mental way, through mental [inaudible] process.

  • So here in this university, this institution,

  • now also is a last few years,

  • now carrying some more serious research work and as well

  • as Wisconsin University and Emory University.

  • So these are I think very good start.

  • I think in early part of 20th century, I cannot but to think

  • of this thing, these things.

  • Now among the scientists, among the educationist,

  • now begin to feel importance of inner science.

  • So this I think a very healthy sign.

  • This should be-- we have this body and mind.

  • The material facility simply provide body 'cause--

  • body comfort, not mental comfort.

  • So, my friend, billionaire, very rich and quite famous

  • but as the individual human being, very unhappy person.

  • But they are not lacking money, not lacking a good name,

  • not lacking friend, but lack of inner sort of strength.

  • As a result, very unhappy.

  • So, 'cause of the-- 'cause of the--

  • [ Inaudible Remark ]

  • >> So the theme, centrality of compassion in human life

  • and the society now fulfill.

  • Thank you.

  • [ Applause ]

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> So now--

  • [ Applause ]

  • >> [Inaudible] well, question.

  • Question now.

  • Yes.

  • >> Before we start question and answer,

  • I just want to personally thank you for being a supporter

  • of our work at CCARE and for being our founding benefactor.

  • And I also want tH thank you for being an inspiration to hundreds

  • of millions of people throughout the world.

  • [ Applause ]

  • >> CCARE uses the tools of neuroscience

  • to understand those complex human behaviors we call

  • compassion and altruism.

  • In and of itself, that would be an interesting exploration.

  • But unless we use these tools to cultivate that

  • and potentiate those feelings within our self,

  • it is my feeling that that work would not be useful otherwise.

  • I want to tell a brief story about when I met HJis Holiness

  • which began with this exploration of my own

  • into these-- examination of these feelings.

  • We had an audience with His Holiness and at the audience,

  • my real intent was really simply to get him to come to Stanford

  • and talk about the importance of the cultivation of compassion.

  • >> It was during this meeting that I explained to him some

  • of our initial explorations and he became very excited

  • and in fact I asked him,

  • "Your Holiness what though is it what you want you want us to do

  • in this type of work?"

  • And he said, "The most important part

  • of this is our children and education."

  • And the center with his support is called the Center

  • for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education.

  • After the-- towards the end of the audience with His Holiness

  • and after I have asked him about these issues he added,

  • but you must measure, measure, measure and he said,

  • "You must use rigorous science and the work must be secular."

  • And we have honored that wish.

  • Near the end of our discussion His Holiness became quite

  • animated and he began talking to Jinpa and to that in

  • which of course I thought maybe I had offended him [laughter]

  • and at the end of that discussion, Jinpa said to me,

  • His Holiness so much believes in this work that you have begun

  • that he wants to make a personal donation.

  • And it is from that donation which has resulted

  • in others being inspired to support this work and for us

  • to be here today, so I thank you again for that.

  • [ Applause ]

  • >> I must say though that when I got my first wish which was

  • that he come and talk here at Stanford I was quite elated

  • and I said, wow, that wasn't that hard.

  • [Laughter] And then-- and then

  • when His Holiness spontaneously made this donation

  • which ends being up one

  • of the largest donations he's ever given

  • to a non-Tibetan cause, I was in awe, I was humbled and it came

  • into my mind that who am I to take money from the Dalai Lama?

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> But that passed very quickly.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> We are going to begin the question and answer session,

  • which are questions that you have given us

  • and which I hope will stimulate discussion by His Holiness.

  • [ Pause ]

  • >> Scientific research on human qualities like compassion

  • and altruism creates concern by many

  • that science is reducing our morality and our humanity

  • to mere chemical reactions in the brain,

  • could this undermine our appreciation of human values?

  • [ Foreign Language ]

  • >> As I can before the answer-- but will [inaudible] is I want

  • to tell you one, my own story.

  • I think about 40 years ago, I begin to feel--

  • it should be useful or interesting dialogue or discuss

  • with scientist and Buddhism-- mentioned particles and also

  • of course I think some of you knows as far

  • as geography is concerned--

  • >> Cosmology.

  • >> Ah, cosmology is concerned and Mount Meru

  • on these things mentioned.

  • Then more important as I mentioned earlier, Buddhism,

  • no concept of creator but something like self-creation,

  • when we talk about creation they ultimately mind emotion.

  • So therefore, in Buddhism comparatively,

  • I think very rich information about mind, emotion,

  • these things and how to tackle these different emotions

  • and after there are some experience there.

  • So I eager dialogue with modern scientists,

  • then some of my friends they respond to me

  • of science is killer of religion,

  • be dangerous, be careful.

  • And I thought and thought as far

  • as Buddhism is concerned particularly the Nalanda

  • tradition is concerned,

  • Buddha himself made clear all my follower should not follow my

  • teaching out of devotion

  • or faith rather thorough investigation

  • and experiment, this one.

  • So that give us kind of freedom to investigate what texts say.

  • So in-- historically, last more

  • than 2000 years many Buddhist masters

  • in India take this liberty to examine Buddha's own word.

  • Those, Buddha's word, Buddha's teaching

  • which goes contradiction

  • with investigation then they say they did not accept

  • it literally.

  • Those texts which further investigation analyze still

  • solid, that-- that sound then accept.

  • So that is Nalanda tradition.

  • So therefore, science also some kind of, sort of method

  • to investigate what is reality.

  • The Nalanda tradition also, the method to investigation

  • about the reality so as it is--

  • then I start dialogue, talk with scientist.

  • Now, as I mentioned earlier, the last 20 years more sort

  • of discussion, it became very clear,

  • that modern science they found useful information

  • from Buddhist explanation about mind

  • and for Buddhist the scientific finding about these quarks--

  • like quarks, subatomic sort of particles very, very,

  • helpful, very helpful.

  • One casualty is concept of Mount Meru at least for me,

  • I now no longer believe Mount Meru.

  • That is one casualty there, no problem [laughter]

  • so therefore this kind of sort of further research, no problem.

  • Now here, according sort of today this--

  • the brain specialist, the place where sudden--

  • [ Foreign Language ]

  • >> One of the meetings with scientists,

  • one of the scientist made the observation

  • that at the brain level, it was a neuroscientist,

  • it seems that brain centers that become more active

  • when you experience pain for yourself seems

  • to be also the same centers that get activated more prominently

  • when you feel empathy and, you know,

  • experience someone else's pain.

  • >> So after I heard that at the conference [laughter] I just

  • want of course have joke.

  • Oh, in that case the brain is very foolish.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> No ability of distinction, what the real cause is.

  • >> One, you see empathy, sense of concern

  • of other's well being there are mental element determine the

  • sort of self confidence voluntarily taking care

  • of what other's-- sort of well being.

  • So there is strength, the other, pain in oneself and all well

  • in that feeling and some kind

  • of helplessness completely discouraged.

  • So in a mental level, big differences but just found

  • on the brain, same area, so that means, you see,

  • the brain no ability

  • to distinction the real causes of mental level.

  • Then with that I also was jokingly telling people

  • like dear, I say when we very happy,

  • all joy sometimes tear come and sometimes without much

  • of a feeling but some kind of-- because of the laughing,

  • joy is laughing also sometimes tear come.

  • And very painful experience also use--

  • >> Sadness.

  • >>Sadness also brings tear.

  • So now, mental level, emotional level big differences,

  • but the physical response is same.

  • So if the-- the physical level quite sort of clever,

  • then tear which causing by all joys,

  • tear must come through right eye.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> And the cause of tear, too much sadness,

  • then tear must come out of the left eye.

  • Then brain has some ability to make a distinction.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • [ Applause ]

  • >> So therefore-- so therefore, I think maybe too early to say,

  • but still I feel mind

  • or consciousness is much more subtler than physical thing.

  • Of course, the mind has so many sort of different level,

  • grosser level of mind, more subtle level mind, very,

  • very subtle level of mind, for example,

  • at the time of awakening state, mental state using the sense

  • of organs then dream state,

  • sense of organs no longer function.

  • >> Active.

  • >> Ah, active the system of mind or the mental state.

  • Then further, deep sleep without dream, even further,

  • sort of deeper mental state, then feigned then at the time

  • of death the mental state deeper, deeper,

  • deeper, deeper like that.

  • So those grosser level of mind very much would need to do

  • with our physical process.

  • Now the latest of scientific finding through the experiment,

  • now they found through sheer mental training, some change,

  • some new development in brain--

  • [ Foreign Language ]

  • >> This is made more understandable the fact

  • that through mental processes they can affect

  • and change the level of brain and this has been--

  • become more acceptable scientists tell me that because

  • of the discovery of the plasticity of the brain.

  • >> So these are now, as a sort of more serious sort

  • of investigation about the brain or about mind.

  • So I feel no harm, very important.

  • >> Your Holiness, some people feel that by being compassionate

  • or altruistic this can make a person actually less successful

  • or able to survive in the real world.

  • This seems to be a feeling that is not unusual in the West.

  • What is your response to this type of thinking

  • and do you think this also is the basis for the epidemic

  • of depression in the West?

  • [ Foreign Language ]

  • >> Now firstly compassion, there are two levels.

  • One-- one level as I mentioned earlier biological factor,

  • that kind of compassion is very much mixed with attachment,

  • very biased, very limited and oriented towards attitude.

  • So that kind of compassion only towards your friend or person

  • or anyone who is nice to you,

  • that kind of compassion can develop.

  • That compassion never extend to your enemy.

  • Now, another level of compassion, now in this kind

  • of compassion, of course, common with animal

  • as I mentioned before.

  • Now, another level of compassion which I think only 'cause

  • of the-- only human being can develop because that combination

  • with human intelligence as I mentioned earlier,

  • analyze through reasons, some peace of mind is so important

  • for my own well being.

  • So the real destroyer of peace of mind is anger,

  • hatred, suspicion, jealousy.

  • The opposite-- counter force these things are compassion so,

  • develop some kind of conviction, compassion is really good

  • for my own well being.

  • So then deliberately trying to strengthening that and try

  • to reduce these negative sort of forces

  • and destructive sort of emotions.

  • So now, intelligence now involved there.

  • So now, the second level

  • of compassion not focusing others attitude

  • but simply other, as a sort of being, as a certain being.

  • Now for example, each individual,

  • some kind of self-cherishing-- self-cherishing there,

  • that does not mean I myself nice to me, no.

  • I have right to be happy, just that reason,

  • that factor you see, brings self cherishing.

  • So similarly, other restrictive whether their attitude towards

  • yourself, right or wrong or negative

  • or positive doesn't matter.

  • But these also, like me by nature want happy--

  • happiness, do not want suffering.

  • So on that understanding, now not oriented to other's attitude

  • but rather the person or being themselves.

  • So develop sense of concern on that level,

  • now that compassion can extend towards your enemy, enemy as far

  • as their attitude is concerned towards you, negative,

  • so we call enemy, but as far as just human being

  • or certain being is concerned, same, same right.

  • Since, that kind of sort of compassion very much combine

  • with wisdom, now your-- the answer for your question.

  • >> The genuine practitioner of compassion with help

  • of wisdom, always holistic view.

  • Now someone who take advantage on you

  • and unjustly dream something, think,

  • if you let their unjust dream continuously,

  • ultimately they will suffer.

  • Even within this lifetime, they--

  • many neutral people feel "Oh sure, she take advantage

  • on such a wonderful person," so more

  • and more people criticize them.

  • So therefore, taking the holistic view and in order

  • to stop their unjust dream, out of sense of concern

  • of their well being for long term confirmation must take.

  • So, compassion which combine with wisdom,

  • always have brought us-- brought a perspective, a holistic.

  • So here, the-- you know, the violence and nonviolence,

  • actually very much little with motivation.

  • Out of hatred, out of sort of, I said the desire

  • to cheat using smile, using some nice word and with some gift,

  • looks nonviolent action, but because of the motivation,

  • wants to cheat, wants to harm.

  • So that is essentially violence.

  • Good parent or good teacher, [inaudible] is a good teacher.

  • Purely out of concern of other's well being, children or student.

  • Sometimes, you see-- use harsh words, some disciplinary action.

  • Looks a little bit rough, but because out of sense of concern,

  • sort of compassionate, sort of attitude, therefore,

  • it is essentially nonviolence.

  • So now your neighbor who take advantage on you unjustly,

  • take a confirmation is nonviolence clear.

  • So therefore, the discretion, I think--

  • if may I say so discretion comes

  • out of ignorance, one's compassion.

  • [ Laughter]

  • [ Applause]

  • >> I didn't write these questions.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> Protecting yourself?

  • >> Yeah, yeah.

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> Exactly.

  • >> Another question I did not write.

  • [Laughter] I know that oftentimes,

  • if I see a homeless person or a person in need,

  • I feel that I want to do something

  • at that moment but I don't.

  • What is it that makes a person

  • who feels compassion actually act?

  • Is it merely increasing a stronger sense of compassion

  • that motivates action or there're some other factors?

  • [Foreign Language]

  • >> This time, I say-- my plane I took from Bombay to Tokyo

  • and because it's near Bombay, one sort of big function,

  • they invented me so I went there so my flight from Bombay--

  • so I spent one night at Bombay.

  • On the street of city--

  • I saw the shanty town very poor people, hundreds

  • and with their children, looks as nobody care.

  • [ Pause ]

  • >> Then also sometimes I saw some dogs, street dog,

  • very poor physical condition, very weak, nobody taking care.

  • Or last year-- I think last year or 2 years ago,

  • I saw one picture, one dog because of economy sort

  • of difficulties one family abandoned dog.

  • One picture, I saw in a one Indian newspaper.

  • I looked at that dog, are usually feeding by the owner

  • so no need runaway-- running to seek something,

  • so no such experience.

  • So that dog's face looks very sad.

  • Sort of nearly tear come but nothing can be done.

  • [ Pause ]

  • >> And something like those of the poor people in the street,

  • if I spent my whole time serving them, that's also limited.

  • So then [inaudible].

  • >> So now you have to wait.

  • >> Some other way to help fundamental level, long run,

  • maybe more cause of the more-- more benefit.

  • So sometimes when I saw these things,

  • only pray, nothing can be done.

  • So I think you should be realistic.

  • If you can do something on the spot, do it.

  • If there's limitation, you cannot do,

  • then think these things then try to strengthen our own sort

  • of compassionate of the feeling, compassionate of experience.

  • Sometimes when we saw these people or animal

  • who are really facing painful experience, it's very,

  • very helpful to further strengthening empathy

  • in these things.

  • >> You said the compassion is one

  • of the most important human values,

  • but how do we educate our children on how

  • to be compassionate human beings.

  • >> Now, that's very, very important.

  • Now, in recent years, I see some institution and some--

  • what is it-- scientist, also the educationist.

  • Now, really take seriously the-- about the sort of how to educate

  • through education, how to bring.

  • That's very, very important.

  • Education system-- existing education system

  • as I mentioned it before, last around--

  • about 200 years is the sort of interest,

  • only the external are the matters.

  • So education also is in mainly related with that.

  • Some of the economy lessons, engineer, all these things,

  • even medical just as it look human body, not sure interested

  • about emotion or mind.

  • >> Whereas I think in Indian medical system,

  • in Tibetan medical system, more holistic,

  • mind also you see, included.

  • So the whole-- sort of--

  • as the existing education system very much based

  • on material values.

  • I think about thousand years ago--

  • 1000 year ago, one separate education institution started

  • in Europe.

  • At that time, about moral ethics is concerned church takes

  • responsibility and also family as well.

  • In modern society, influence of the church also decline

  • and the family value also a little bit decline.

  • Now, education institution alone should take care of both,

  • brain development, and one part it's because of the development.

  • Again, here as I mentioned earlier--

  • [Applause] I think all these possible ways is secular way,

  • not rely on religious faith.

  • If you rely on religious faith like India, then complication.

  • There are so many different tradition, so difficult.

  • So without [inaudible] religion as I mentioned, three reasons,

  • common experience, common sense and the scientific findings

  • through this sort of material-- using this material,

  • we can educate our younger generation.

  • That's key factor, transformation

  • of [inaudible] being human being.

  • Not to prayer but through education.

  • That's the only way, so-- I think our work--

  • research work, now these are-- eventually is a very,

  • very helpful resources to sort of--

  • to develop sort of the new curriculum in education field

  • in secular basis, scientific basis

  • and introduce children the importance of warmheartedness.

  • And then also, I often telling people,

  • 20th century become century of violence.

  • 'Cause in some history in that century, through violence,

  • over 200 millions of people killed.

  • Still the beginning of this 21st century--

  • still some problems there.

  • These due to lack or negligence

  • or mistake policy in 20th century.

  • So therefore, you too, using force, you can solve problems.

  • Only through force, you can control

  • or you can eliminate body but not mind.

  • Changing mind only through compassion

  • or education, not by force.

  • So therefore, now this century, now this century--

  • [Applause], whenever we face problem, we have to find ways

  • and means to solve that to dialogue.

  • So I usually telling, now 21st century should be century

  • of dialogue.

  • Now, here in order to carry meaningful dialogue,

  • first it is necessary, respect the other

  • who have different view, consider part

  • of we-- part of humanity.

  • My future also depend on them, so respect

  • and listen their interest and tell them our interest and try

  • to find measurable equitable solution.

  • That's the only way.

  • Like in Palestine problem,

  • both sides you stand firm then confrontation.

  • So only way is through dialogue.

  • So therefore, here, in order to bring century of dialogue.

  • Now 21st century-- no, 10 years past, 90 years yet to come,

  • now these young people, you are the people

  • who belongs to 21st century.

  • My generation belongs to 20th century already gone,

  • now ready to say goodbye.

  • So these young people, now, you should think how

  • to bring this century more peaceful century,

  • more compassionate century.

  • So peace, compassionate does not mean no longer any problem,

  • problem there so long human being there,

  • human interest is there.

  • Different interest, different views always there.

  • There's a source of conflict, conflict [inaudible].

  • So now we have to-- that reality how to face that reality

  • to talk, to dialogue, not using weapon.

  • So therefore, now you should develop this strong conviction.

  • Any problem - family level, community level, or national

  • or international level [inaudible]--

  • all these sort of [inaudible] solution through dialogue.

  • So for that reason also,

  • the central compassion brings your will.

  • And with the wisdom, there's no other objective,

  • only through talk.

  • That's the wisdom side.

  • Then respect other's interest.

  • Genuine sense of concern

  • of other's well being, that's the basis.

  • So combine these two things,

  • genuine spiritual dialogue can develop.

  • What do you think?

  • [ Inaudible Remark ]

  • >> Do you agree?

  • [ Applause ]

  • [ Laughter ]

  • >> Thank you.

  • [ Applause ]

  • [ Inaudible Remark ]

  • >> We have one now.

  • Your Holiness, I would like to close with the parable

  • that was told to me by another Nobel Prize winner

  • Wangari Maathai.

  • >> Oh, what a [inaudible].

  • [ Inaudible Remark ]

  • >> Well, I just [inaudible].

  • >> So, she is the founder of the Green Belt Movement in Africa

  • and she tells a story of a large forest fire

  • and all the animals flee the forest and stand

  • on the periphery and watched the fire burn their homes.

  • One of the animals looks up though

  • and sees a hummingbird flying to the lake getting a beak full

  • of water and dropping it on the fire.

  • The animal says to the hummingbird,

  • "Why are you doing this?

  • There is no way you were going to put out the fire."

  • And what the hummingbird says is, "I know,

  • but I am doing what I can do."

  • Oftentimes when we see immeasurable suffering,

  • we feel powerless or discouraged, but I tell you

  • that each and every one of us has the capacity to make

  • at least one person suffer less everyday.

  • So go forth and just do what you can do and thank you.

  • [ Applause ]

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