The Silence of the Lambs first arrived in American theaters over 30 years ago on February 14th, 1991.

Since then, it's one of only three films to win the top five categories at the Oscars.

Best picture, best actor, best actress, best director and best screenplay.

This week we're joined by Angelica Jade, Bastion critic at Vulture, to talk about the films Legacy.

Now there's a new show about Clarisse.

Hannibal had his own show for three seasons.

What do you think keeps drawing people back to these characters?

I think one of the most fascinating things about their dynamic is it brings up issues of gender and power and class especially.

And I think that mix of things really entices people.

But also Hannibal Lecter is not like a lot of other serial killers we see in pop culture.

Ah, big part of who he is deals with a sort of class fantasy because of how exalted his taste is and how we're find he is and how, even though he's obviously a serial killer, he has his own weird moral compass, and so you can almost get what's going on, and you can kind of like tap into that, even though you're like, Yeah, he's a serial killer.

But man, that food actually looks good on Also it does.

It does, but also for me, like one of the reasons I'm probably so enticed by the story is that it has echoes of the Blue Beard fairy tale, which is probably one of my favorite fairytales and plays on gender and power.

Can you tell us a tiny bit about that?

Oh, of course.

It's like one of my favorite things to talk about.

But the Blue Beard fairytale, um, in essence is about a very young woman who marries a rich older man in his a French fairy tale.

And he's had many, many wives who've kind of disappeared mysteriously when they get married.

He gives, gives her the run of the house and says, You have the whole house except for this one room.

And of course she looks in the room and it has all his dead wives.

So the thing is, with the blue beer fairytale, it brings up really interesting ideas about gender, power, death, desire, all of which exists within silence.

of the Lambs like, uh, beauty and the beast Kind of like that.

Yeah.

Beauty and the beast.

I mean, I'm sorry for going for, like, an easy one.

Disney don't go into the West Wing sort of thing.

Sorry.

E mean, it does have those vibes.

I mean, a lot of you know, it's a fairy tale that echoes throughout so much of Western storytelling.

Sure, Yeah.

So how responsible do you think Silence of the Lambs is for people's fascination and pop culture with serial killers?

So I think definitely.

Silence of the Lambs was a huge influence on the flux of serial killer movies we ended up seeing throughout the nineties and early oughts.

I think that it definitely sparked something in Hollywood and audiences.

But I think American audiences, for better or for worse, have long been interested in true crime and serial killers.

What kind of obsessed?

I think it's weird.

I'm not into it.

I find it both fascinating and repulsive.

There you go.

I think that's what most people feel, right?

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

So for people that, like the dynamic between Clarice and Hannibal, what other characters in films would you recommend, like what other films would you recommend that have that sort of dynamic?

So the first thing that pops into my mind is this really great 1987 neo noir called Black Widow that follows Debra Winger as a detective who's hunting this con woman's slash killer fem fatal, played by Theresa Russell.

And it brings up a lot of these same dynamics we see in Silence of the Lambs, which came out a few years after that.

But it's two women, so the dynamics are a little different, and it's very rich and really fascinating.

The Sounds of Lambs was the last film to win all five of the top five Oscar awards.

Is there another film that you think too, sir, deserves that distinction?

Questions like this always crack me up.

I'm gonna be absolutely 100 with you.

I am like the worst critic to ask that question because you couldn't pay me, and I do get paid for this to give a damn about the Oscars.

I don't believe in what they represent, although, yes, there's definitely films I've loved to have been, you know, the handmaiden, the favorite.

Those would be like, really that would be amazing to see them when a bunch of Oscars.

But that didn't happen.

But, alas, Oscars kind of suck in my opinion.

Alright, fair enough eso.

Now let's say that you're in charge of a reboot of Silence of the Lambs or just the entire Siri's.

You can cast Hannibal and you can cast Clarisse.

Who do you pick?

Okay, you're gonna like, want to set me a flame for this answer.

But, like, I e sort of don't want them to be rebooted anymore, like we've had such definitive performances, especially like you have Anthony Hopkins, who I think really embodies how I imagine the character.

But then you also have nine.

It's Mickelson giving a completely different performance from the TV Siri's Hannibal, which you know, has a very dedicated following, and I can see why I've rather people take inspiration from the dynamics that exists within Clarice and Hannibal rather than rebooting them again.

Give him a break and I'm talking about that Clary show.

I don't know about that.

We'll see.

Someone else just wants to do the accent that Z that sweet Southern accent.

I guess that's a choice.

Alright, angelic.

It's been great having you.

Where can people find you?

You can obviously find me writing for vulture as well as on Twitter at Angelica Bastion.

Well, awesome.

Thanks so much for coming on the show.

Thank you for having me.

This was a lot of fun.

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