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  • ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HELLO, AND WELCOME

  • BACK.

  • MY NEXT GUESTS ARE JOURNALISTS WHO HAVE BEEN COVERING NATIONAL

  • POLITICS FOR OVER A DECADE.

  • NOW THEY'RE CO-FOUNDERS OF "PUNCHBOWL NEWS" AND HOSTS OF

  • "THE DAILY PUNCH" PODCAST.

  • PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW," ANNA PALMER AND JAKE

  • SHERMAN.

  • ANNA, JAKE, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

  • >> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

  • >> Stephen: BEFORE WE GET INTO ANYTHING ELSE, YOU BOTH REPORTED

  • ON CONGRESS FOR OVER A DECADE.

  • I WANT TO ASK YOU-- I'VE HEARD THAT'S KIND OF A CRAZY BEAT,

  • THAT THAT'S LIKE A SEVEN-DAYS-A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR.

  • YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY ALWAYS WORKING.

  • IS THAT TRUE?

  • >> IT IS, UNFORTUNATELY.

  • >> YES.

  • >> Stephen: AND YOU-- AND YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY NO SOCIAL LIFE

  • OUTSIDE OF THE JOB BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU HAVE TIME TO GO OUT FOR

  • DRINKS, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT WITH SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE A SOURCE

  • FOR YOU ON CAPITOL HILL.

  • IS THAT TRUE?

  • >> IT'S NOT UNTRUE.

  • ( LAUGHTER ) REPUBLICAN.

  • >> Stephen: YOU'RE NOT UNDER OATH.

  • IT'S OKAY.

  • YOU CAN-- YOU CAN FUDGE IF YOU WANT.

  • IT'S ALL RIGHT.

  • BUT THEN-- OKAY, SO, BUT, THEN, ALL YOUR FRIENDS ARE THE PEOPLE

  • WHO ARE YOUR SOURCES, AND THEN YOU'RE THE PEOPLE WHO THEY WANT

  • TO PLANT, YOU KNOW, STORIES WITH.

  • DO YOU GUYS EVER, LIKE, GET MAD-- DO YOUR FRIENDS ON CAPITOL

  • HILL EVER GET MAD AT YOU FOR WRITING ABOUT THEM?

  • AND DO YOU EVER GET MAD AT THEM FOR PLANTING STORIES WITH YOU,

  • LIKE THIS MUTUAL SORT OF CODEPENDENCY?

  • >> WELL, I HAVE-- I HAVE A "NO FRIEND ZONE" ON CAPITOL HILL PB

  • SO I TRY NOT TO BE FRIEND WITH ANYBODY WHO I WRITE ABOUT, WILL

  • WRITE ABOUT, MIGHT WRITE ABOUT, OR MIGHT EVEN THINK ABOUT.

  • SO IT'S A GOOD RULE-- IT'S A GOOD RULE OF THUMB WHEN YOU'RE

  • COVERING CONGRESS.

  • >> Stephen: ANNA, DO YOU HAVE A "NO FRIEND ZONE."

  • >> NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

  • I THINK OUR JOB IS CHARM, DISARM, GET PEOPLE TO TELL YOU

  • INFORMATION THAT COULD GET THEM FIRED.

  • ( LAUGHTER ).

  • >> Stephen: AND HOW MANY TIMESES HAVE YOU HAD TO PUNCH

  • MONORAJU IN THE THROAT TO GET TO MITCH McCONNELL BEFORE HE CAN?

  • >> IT'S FUNNY YOU SAY THAT.

  • WE WORKED WITH HIM FOR A VERY LONG TIME AT POLITICO, AND HE

  • IS-- HE IS KNOWN TO JUMP OUT OF BUSHES AND BE AROUND A CORNER

  • WHEN YOU LEAST WANT TO SEE HIM.

  • I MEAN, HE IS OUR FRIEND.

  • WE DON'T REPORT ON HIM.

  • HE DOESN'T JUMP OUT OF BUSHES ON US --

  • >> Stephen: I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO BEAT HIM TO THE CONGRESSMEN.

  • YOU HAVE TO BEAT HIM.

  • >> RIGHT.

  • BUT WE ALSO DON'T PUNCH HIM.

  • >> Stephen: ANNA, DO YOU PUNCH HIM?

  • >> NO THE PUNCHBOWL IS THE ONLY PUNCHING I'M DOING THESE DAYS.

  • >> Stephen: JAKE, YOU WERE IN THE CAPITOL DURING THE ATTACK.

  • WHAT WAS THAT EXPERIENCE LIKE?

  • >> IT WAS VERY SEARING.

  • IT'S LIKE-- NOT TO MINIMIZE IT AT ALL-- BUT IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY

  • COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE-- I MEAN, WE BASICALLY LIVE IN THE

  • CAPITOL.

  • WE SPEND ALL OF OUR DAYS THERE, 12 HOURS A DAY FOR THE LAST

  • DECADE OR SO.

  • AND IT'S LIKE SOMEONE COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE AND INVADING IT.

  • IT WAS VERY SCARY.

  • I MEAN, PEOPLE WERE BANGING ON THE DOORS, WHEREAS AT A CERTAIN

  • POINT OUR OFFICE AND THE CAPITOL IS JUST, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF

  • HUNDRED FEET OR SO FROM THE HOUSE FLOOR, WHERE KIND OF THE

  • CENTER STAGE OF THE INSURRECTION, WHERE SOMEONE WAS

  • SHOT AND KILLED.

  • AND WE WERE-- WE TURNED TO EACH OTHER AT SOME POINT IN THIS ROOM

  • AND SAID TO OURSELVES, "HOW DO WE MAKE SURE NO ONE FINDS US?"

  • THERE'S A BIG SIGN ON THE DOOR THAT SAYS "PRESS," "PERIODICAL

  • PRESS," WHICH IS NOT COMFORTING.

  • WE DIDN'T GET EVACUATED UNTIL SEVERAL HOURS INTO THE

  • INSURRECTION.

  • IT WAS SOMETHING I'VE NEVER FORGET.

  • IT WAS VERY-- VERY ALARMING AND VERY FRIGHTENING.

  • >> Stephen: YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT VIOLATION OF YOUR

  • WORKSPACE, AND OF COURSE OF THE SORT OF DEMOCRATICALLY SACRED

  • SPACE FOR AMERICANS, WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE TO BE REPORTING ON

  • CONGRESS RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE LIKE TED CRUZ AND JOSH

  • HAWLEY OUT THERE STROKING THEIR CHINS AND GOING, "OH, GOSH, I

  • WONDER HOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD HAVE COME ABOUT?"

  • >> I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT, RIGHT.

  • I MEAN, WE ALL EXPERIENCED IT.

  • WE SAW THAT IT WAS AN ARMED INSURRECTION.

  • THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE MEMBERS GASLIGHLIGHTING AND KIND OF SAYI

  • THAT THEY WEREN'T ARMED, IT'S JUST FALSE.

  • AND I USED TO ALWAYS TELL ME MOM, "DON'T WORRY.

  • WE'RE IN THE CAPITOL.

  • WE'RE IN THE SAFEST PLACE THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN.

  • D.C. HAS SO MANY PROTESTS."

  • AND TO SEE IT TOTALLY DESECRATED LIKE THAT WITH SO MUCH DISREGARD

  • AND, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IT WAS REALLY PLANNED, YOU KNOW,

  • OUT.

  • IT'S VERY SCARY.

  • AND I THINK IT'S REALLY ALARMING TO THINK THAT THESE MEMBERS--

  • THERE ARE ONLY A FEW OF THEM, BUT THEY ARE LOUD, AND THEY ARE

  • REALLY PLANTING FALSEHOODS INTO THE PUBLIC.

  • >> Stephen: WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE G.O.P.

  • BETWEEN THE FACTIONS THAT WANT TO STAY CONNECTED TO DONALD

  • TRUMP, AND THOSE WHO WANT TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES?

  • >> WE WROTE THIS MORNING THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS PERHAPS

  • MORE ADRIFT THAN IT HAS BEEN AT ANY POINT SINCE WATERGATE.

  • I MEAN, WE HAVE A SMALL MINORITY OF THE G.O.P.-- WHICH, BY THE

  • WAY, INCLUDES MITCH McCONNELL.

  • TODAY RAJU ASKED MITCH McCONNELL AT A NEWS CONFERENCE

  • I WAS AT BASICALLY WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE-- WHETHER HE REGRETS

  • SPEAKING OUT AGAINST TRUMP.

  • AND McCONNELL SAID, "I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ABOUT

  • THAT EPISODE," OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

  • SO HE'S NOT EVEN SAYING DONALD TRUMP'S NAME ANYMORE.

  • BUT IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH ENERGY IS SPENT TRYING TO KEEP DONALD

  • TRUMP HAPPY.

  • I MEAN, IT'S JUST-- GOING DOWN TO MAR-A-LAGO.

  • , MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT COMES TO

  • DONALD TRUMP, IT'S JUST AMAZING TO WATCH THE ENERGY THAT'S

  • EXPENDED, THAT'S SPENT KEEPING THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAPPY.

  • >> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH ANNA PALMER AND JAKE SHERMAN OF

  • "PUNCHBOWL NEWS."

  • ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HELLO, AND WELCOME

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