WELCOME BACK TO OUR QUARANNIVERSARY SPECIAL HERE AT

歡迎回到我們的四週年特別在這裡。

"A LATE SHOW."

"晚間秀"。

LET'S SAY HELLO TO A MAN I'VE MISSED FOR A YEAR, JON BATISTE.

讓我們向一個我想念了一年的人問好，JON BATISTE。

HELLO, JON.

你好，喬恩。

>> Jon: HELLO, YINDEED, STEPHEN, HOW ARE YOU FEELING?

>> 喬恩：你好，YINDEED，STEPHEN，你感覺如何？

>> Stephen: YOU KNOW WHAT, HOPEFUL.

>> 史蒂芬：你知道嗎，充滿希望。

I'M HOPEFUL, WHICH IS A DANGEROUS FEELING BECAUSE YOU

我很有希望，但這是一種危險的感覺，因為你... ...

DON'T WANT TO GET BURNED, BUT I MEAN, THINGS ARE LOOKING UP.

我不想被燒死，但我是說，一切都在好轉。

EVIDENTLY, ALL ADULTS ELIGIBLE FOR SHOTS BY THE TIME WE GET TO

證據顯示，所有的成年人都有資格拍攝的時間，我們得到的。

MAY, STARTING MAY 1-- AM I RIGHT WITH THAT?

5月，從5月1日開始，我說的對嗎？

IS THAT WHAT BIDEN SAID LAST NIGHT?

那是比登昨晚說的嗎？

THAT'S GOT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLEERATE OF HOPE RIGHT THERE.

這一定會給你一點希望，就在這裡。

I'M TRYING TO LOOK ON THE THE BRIGHT SIDE.

我試著去看光明的一面。

>> Jon: PULL YOURSELF UP ON THE ROPE OF YOUR HOPE.

>> 喬恩拉起你自己的希望之繩。

COME ON.

來吧。

LET'S GET IT.

讓我們得到它。

>> Stephen: I-- I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING

>> 我... 我只是想知道是否有任何事情。

ABOUT THIS ABSOLUTELY DEVASTATING YEAR THAT WE'VE JUST

關於我們剛剛度過的這絕對是災難性的一年。

GONE THROUGH, IS THERE ANYTHING OUT OF IT THAT WAS A POSITIVE

通過了，有沒有什麼東西出來，是一個積極的。

FOR YOU IN YOUR OWN LIFE?

為你的生活服務？

>> Jon: I THINK FACING THE INTERNAL, THE THINGS THAT IN OUR

>> 喬恩：我認為面對內部的東西，在我們的內心深處

BUSY LIVES WE MAY NOT GET A CHANCE TO SIT AND DEAL WITH.

忙碌的生活，我們可能沒有機會坐下來處理。

WE'RE FORCED TO DEAL WITH THEM IN THIS TIMES.

在這個時代，我們不得不與他們打交道。

I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE, ACTUALLY.

我認為這是一個積極的，實際上。

>> Stephen: THAT OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE STOCK?

>> 史蒂芬：那個機會拿股票？

>> Jon: YUP, YUP, YUP.

>> 喬恩。YUP，YUP，YUP。

AND BE WITH THOSE-- IF WE WERE TRAPPED WITH THOSE WE LOVE, IT'S

和那些... 如果我們和我們所愛的人在一起，就會被困住

ALSO A PLUS, AND I WAS.

也是一個加號，而我是。

SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.

所以，這是一個很好的事情。

>> Stephen: THAT'S TRUE.

>> 史蒂芬：這是真的。

AND YOU DID IT WITHOUT DRINKING ( LAUGHS )

而你做到了不喝酒（笑）

>> Jon: THAT'S RIGHT.

>> 喬恩。沒錯。

>> Stephen: THAT'S DARE-- THAT'S DAREDEVIL BEHAVIOR IN MY

>> 那是膽量 -- 那是我的大膽行為。

OPINION.

意見：

GOOD FOR YOU.

對你有好處。

GOOD FOR YOU, EVILICA NEVELE.

對你有好處，Evilica NEVELE。

>> Jon: HEY, RIDE THEM!

>> 喬恩：嘿，騎他們！

>> Stephen: DO YOU HAVE ANY HOPEFUL MUSIC FOR US TONIGHT?

>> 史蒂芬：你有什麼希望的音樂給我們今晚？

>> Jon: YES, YES, LET'S SEE.

>> 喬恩。是的，是的，讓我們來看看。

♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: THANK YOU, JON.

謝謝你，喬恩。

JON BATISTE, EVERYBODY.

JON BATISTE，每個人。

THE.

的。

>> Jon: YES, INDEED.

>> 喬恩。是的，確實如此。

>> Stephen: MY GUEST TONIGHT IS THE CHIEF MEDICAL ADVISER TO

>> 史蒂芬：今晚我的嘉賓是首席醫學顧問，他是一個很好的例子。

THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE VOICE OF REASON WHO GUIDED US THROUGH THE

白宮和引導我們走過的理性之聲。

PAST YEAR.

過去的一年。

PLEASE WELCOME TO "A LATE SHOW, DR. ANTHONY FAUCI.

歡迎收看 "晚間秀"，安東尼-福西博士。ANTHONY FAUCI.

DR. FAUCI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

FAUCI博士，非常感謝你能來這裡FAUCI博士，非常感謝你來這裡。

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, STEPHEN.

>> 謝謝你邀請我，史蒂芬。

I APPRECIATE IT.

我很欣賞它。

>> Stephen: I'VE WANTED TO HAVE YOU ON FOR A YEAR.

>> 我已經想讓你上一年了。

WE'VE TRIED TO HAVE YOU ON ALMOST EVERY WEEK FOR A YEAR.

我們已經嘗試了一年，每星期都有你的節目。

WE COULD NEVER GET YOU.

我們永遠不會得到你。

AROUND JANUARY 20, YOUR SCHEDULE REALLY OPENED UP.

在1月20日前後，你的日程表真正打開了。

WHAT CHANGED?

有什麼變化？

( LAUGHS ) >> EVERYTHING.

（笑） >> 一切。

>> Stephen: GOOD.

>> 史蒂芬：好的。

I HOPE IT KEEPS CHANGING.

我希望它能繼續改變。

NOW, I'VE GOT A LOT I WANT TO ASK YOU, BUT THE FIRST THING I

現在，我有很多話想問你，但第一件事是...

HAVE TO ASK YOU IS ABOUT WHAT PRESIDENT BIDEN ANNOUNCED LAST

我要問你的是，比登總統去年宣佈了什麼？

NIGHT, IS THAT BY MAY 1, ALL ADULTS IN THE UNITED STATES WILL

晚上，是到5月1日，所有的成年人在美國將。

BE ELIGIBLE FOR COVID-19 VACCINES.

有資格接種COVID-19疫苗。

HOW-- HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT SO QUICKLY?

怎麼... ... 怎麼會這麼快？

THAT'S MUCH SOONER THAN WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.

這比我們想象的要快得多。

>> WELL, WHAT, AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE NOTICED OVER THE LAST

>> 好了，什麼，你可能已經注意到了，在過去的時間裡。

COUPLE OF WEEKS, THERE HAS BEEN A REAL CONCERTED EFFORT TO GET

這幾個星期，已經有了一個真正的協調努力，以獲得。

MORE VACCINES AVAILABLE, FOR SIGNING CONTRACTSs, FOR

更多的疫苗可供選擇，用於簽訂合同，用於治療。

EXAMPLE, WITH MODERNA AND PFIZER TO GET AN ADDITIONAL 100 MILLION

例如，與MODERNA和PFIZER一起獲得額外的1億資金。

DOSES A PIECE FROM THEM, TO GET A TOTAL OF 600 MILLION DOSES.

劑量從他們的一塊，以獲得總計6億劑量。

J&J, WHICH WE ORIGINALLY CONTRACT FOR, FOR 100 MILLION

J&J公司，我們最初為其簽訂的合同，金額為1億美金。

DOSES, A DEAL WAS MADE FOR, YET AGAIN, ANOTHER 100 MILLION

劑量，達成了協議，又是一個1億的交易。

DOSES.

劑量：

SO IT WAS A QUESTION OF REALLY MAKING A FULL-COURT PRESS TO GET

所以，這是一個真正的問題，使一個全場新聞，以獲得

MORE VACCINE AVAILABLE.

更多的疫苗可用。

AND AS YOU DO, YOU GET THROUGH THE PRIORITIES SO THAT YOU GET

而你這樣做，你會通過優先權，所以你會得到。

TO A POINT WHERE YOU REALLY HAVE ENOUGH TO GIVE TO EVERYONE.

到一個點，你真的有足夠的東西給大家。

AND THAT PUSHED IT BACK BY A COUPLE OF MONTHS, WHICH IS

這就把它推後了幾個月，這是

REALLY GOOD NEWS, WHICH MEANS WE LIKELY WILL HAVE THE

真正的好新聞，這意味著我們很可能會有的。

OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION VACCINATED MUCH, MUCH

絕大多數人口接種了大量、大量的疫苗。

SOONER THAN WE ORIGINALLY HAD PLANNED.

比我們原來計劃的要早。

>> Stephen: ONE OF THE CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION

>> Stephen: 上屆政府的變化之一

TO THIS ONE IS A SENSE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY HAS

對於這個問題，政府實際上是有感而發的。

A LARGE ROLE TO PLAY IN COORDINATING HERE.

在協調這裡發揮很大的作用。

IS THAT PART OF IT, THE FACT THAT THE-- PRESIDENT BIDEN IS--

那是其中的一部分，事實是... ...比登總統是...

IS STATING THAT ELIGIBILITY FOR ADULTS WILL START MAY 1.

是說明成人的資格將從5月1日開始。

IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TAKING A LARGER ROLE IN DISTRIBUTION

聯邦政府是否在分配方面發揮更大的作用？

AND ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS?

和資格要求？

>> IN EVERY ASPECT OF THE ENDEAVOR, STEPHEN, IS THAT

>> 史蒂芬，在內涵的每一個方面，都是如此。

BEFORE, EARLIER, IN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, A LOT OF

以前，在上屆政府中，有很多人都是這樣做的。

DISCRETION, A LOT OF AUTHORITY, A LOT OF DECISION MAKING WAS

慎重、大量的權力、大量的決策是：

LEFT TO THE STATES THEMSELVES, WHICH THERE STILL IS A LOT OF

留給國家，其中仍有許多國家。

THAT, TOO.

那，太。

BECAUSE THE STATES INDEPENDENTLY ARE VERY IMPORTANT IN THE

因為獨立國家在《公約》中是非常重要的。

IMPLEMENTATION.

執行情況：

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE TELLING THEM EVERYTHING TO DO.

你不想對他們指手畫腳。

BUT WHAT WE HAVE MORE NOW IS A COOPERATION, COLLABORATION, AND

但我們現在有更多的是合作，協作和

WHAT I WOULD CALL A SINNER GEE BETWEEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

我認為聯邦政府之間的 "辛納基 "是什麼？

AND THE STATES TO GET THINGS DONE.

和國家來完成任務。

AND THAT IS REALLY, I THINK, VERY GOOD NEWS.

我想，這真是個好消息。

I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THROUGHOUT THE PREVIOUS YEAR THAT THERE

在過去的一年裡，我一直覺得，有

SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE INTERACTION IN THE SENSE OF SIN

應該有更多的互動，在罪的意義上。

JIEZING, INSTEAD OF SAYING HERE'S WHAT YOU DO AND GO DO IT.

傑青，不要說這是你做的，然後去做。

IF YOU SUCCEED, FINE.

如果你成功了，很好。

IF YOU FAIL THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM, WHICH IS NOT, I THINK, THE BEST

如果你失敗了，那是你的問題，我想這不是最好的辦法。

WAY TO DO IT.

方式來做。

>> Stephen: NOW, FOR A YEAR NOW, YOU HAVE BEEN ADVISING US

>> 史蒂芬：現在，一年來，你一直在為我們提供建議。

WHAT TO DO.

該怎麼做。

CAN YOU ADVISE US HOW TO FEEL?

你能建議我們如何感受嗎？

BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S A-- THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE AIR.

因為我的意思是，空氣中出現了變化。

THERE REALLY IS.

真的有。

AS I WAS SAYING TO JON BATISTE EARLIER EOH, THERE'S A SENSE OF

就像我之前對Jon BATISTE說的那樣，有一種感覺，那是一種很好的感覺。

HOPE OUT THERE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO GET BURNED.

希望在那裡，我們不希望被燒燬。

CAN WE BE HOPEFUL THAT THIS IS GOING TO COME TO AN END SOON?

我們能不能希望這一切很快結束？

>> YES.

>> 是。

NOT ONLY HOPEFUL, YOU CAN BE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT THIS IS

不僅是希望，你可以絕對肯定，這是

GOING TO END, AND WE WILL GET BACK TO NORMAL.

要結束了，我們會回到正常狀態。

THE QUESTION IS WHEN?

問題是什麼時候？

AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON NOW,

我想，如果你看看現在發生的事情，

PARTICULARLY WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF MULTIPLE, HIGHLY

特別是在可獲得多種、高度可觀的資訊的情況下

EFFICACIOUS VACCINES THAT ARE SAFE AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE

有效的疫苗，在安全的同時也是安全的。

HIGHLY EFFICACIOUS, IF WE DO THAT TOGETHER WITH A GRAL

高效率，如果我們和GRAL一起做的話。

DIMINUTION OF THE STRINJENCEY OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURES-- YOU

減少公共衛生措施的緊張程度------你

DON'T WANT TO TURN THE SWITCH ON AND OFF AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE

不想把開關打開，然後說，好吧，我們是

DOING WELL.

做得很好。

LET'S STOP EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING REGARDING PUBLIC HEALTH.

讓我們停止一切我們正在做的有關公共衛生的事情。

WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT -- >> Stephen: BUT THAT'S

我們不想這樣做 -->> 史蒂芬：但這是。

HAPPENING.

發生。

>> YES IT IS.

>> 是的，它是。

>> Stephen: ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IN VARIOUS STATES.

>> 斯蒂芬：在全國各地的不同州。

PEOPLE ARE GOING, "OKAY!

人們都去，"OKAY！"。

EVERYBODY BACK IN THE POOL."

所有人都回到泳池裡去"

LIKE WHAT-- WHAT IS THE CALMEST WAY YOU COULD SPEAK TO THE

比如說... ... 你能用什麼最平和的方式來告訴他們？

STATES THAT DECIDED IT'S OVER, AT LEAST THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO

決定結束的國家，至少沒有什麼可說的了。

BE DONE ON THEIR END IN TERMS OF MITIGATION-- MITIGATING THE

緩刑方面的工作 -- -- 緩刑的問題

SPREAD?

擴散？

>> WELL, I'VE SAID THAT PUBLICLY MANY TIMES, ALMOST ON A DAILY

>> 好吧，我已經公開說過很多次了，幾乎每天都在說。

BASIS, STEPHEN, IS THAT IT IS REALLY RISKY.

史蒂芬，基礎是它真的很危險。

RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH THE CASES ARE COMING DOWN IN A VERY SHARP

現在，即使案件急速下降，但我們還是要繼續努力。

DECLINE, OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, IT STARTED TO PLATEAU A

下降，在過去的幾周裡，它開始平坦的A。

BIT.

BIT。

AND IT IT PLATEAUS, IT'S PLATEAUING AT AN UNACCEPTABLE

而它的板塊，它的板塊在一個不可接受的。

HIGH LEVEL-- ABOUT 50,000 TO 60,000 NEW INFECTIONS PER DAY.

高水平--每天約有50,000至60,000個新感染者。

AND EVERY TIME WE'VE SEEN A PLATEAU AT THAT LEVEL, THERE'S

每次我們看到的板塊在這個水準，有

ALWAYS BEEN THE RISK OF GETTING YET AGAIN ANOTHER SURGE.

一直以來，都有可能再一次獲得暴漲的風險。

AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS GET ANOTHER SURGE.

而我們不想做的是再來一次暴漲。

WE WANT TO KEEP IT COMING DOWN-- IT MAY NOT BE AS SHARP AS IT HAS

我們想讓它繼續下降 -- 它可能不會像以前那樣尖銳了。

BEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS OR SO, BUT IF-- A MONTH

已經在過去的幾個月左右，但如果 - 一個月

OR TWO.

或兩個。

IF WE CAN GET IT TO COME AND CONTINUE TO GO DOWN, AS WE GET

如果我們能讓它來，並繼續下降，因為我們得到了

MORE AND MORE PEOPLE VACCINATED, EVERY DAY OVER TWO MILLION

越來越多的人接種了疫苗，每天超過兩百萬人。

PEOPLE ARE BEING VACCINATED.

人們都被打了疫苗。

IF WE KEEP DOING THAT, AT THE SAME TIME AS WE KEEP A CERTAIN

如果我們繼續這樣做，在同一時間，我們保持一個特定的。

AMOUNT OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURES GOING, SUCH AS EVERYONE

公共衛生措施的數量，如人人都能享受到公共衛生措施。

CONTINUING TO WEAR A MASK AND NOT JUST SAYING, "HEY, THINGS

繼續戴著口罩，而不僅僅是說："嘿，這些東西

LOOK GOOD.

看起來不錯。

LET'S JUST GO RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE THINK WE SHOULD BE,"

讓我們直接回到我們認為應該在的地方，"

WHICH EVERYONE IS EMPATHETIC WITH THAT NEED TO START TO GET

哪些是大家都很同情的，需要開始得到的。

BACK TO NORMAL.

回到正常狀態。

EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO THAT.

每個人都想這樣做。

EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET ALL THE KIDS BACK TO SCHOOL.

每個人都想讓所有的孩子回到學校。

EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET BACK TO WORK IN THE WORKPLACE AND NOT BE

每個人都想回到工作崗位上工作，而不是被

WORKING FROM HOME SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE ECONOMY GOING.

在家工作，讓你能讓經濟運轉起來。

IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, STEPHEN.

會發生的 史蒂芬

IT IS, GUARANTEED, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

它是，保證，它會發生。

BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO IT PRUDENTLY AND CAREFULLY.

但我們必須謹慎小心地去做。

>> Stephen: NOW, I HAVE BEEN A FAN OF YOURS SINCE BEFORE IT WAS

>> 史蒂芬: 我是你的粉絲，從它出現之前就開始了。

COOL BECAUSE I INTERVIEWED YOU ALMOST EXACTLY 10 YEARS AGO.

因為我差不多在10年前就採訪過你了，所以很酷。

IT WAS IN MARCH OF 2011, AND I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS

這是在2011年3月，我想看看這個。

CLIP.

剪輯。

JIM.

JIM.

WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT BIG, YOU KNOW, HOT NEW DISEASE?

下一個大的，你知道的，熱門的新疾病會是什麼？

WE HAVE SARS, WE HAD SWINE FLU.

我們有SARS，我們有豬流感。

AND WE HAD BIRD FLU.

我們有禽流感。

AND I WANT TO GET MY GRAPHICS DEPARTMENT WORKING ON THE NEXT

我想讓我的圖文部在下一個項目中工作。

THING THAT'S GOING TO SCARE THE POOP OUT OF THESE PEOPLE.

會讓這些人嚇得屁滾尿流的東西。

TURKEY HERPES.

火雞ERPES。

WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE?

會是什麼呢？

>> THE INTERESTING THING IS WE DON'T KNOW.

>> 有趣的是，我們不知道。

THERE IS ALWAYS A THREAT OF EMERGING AND RE-EMERGING

總是存在著突發和再突發的威脅。

INFECTIONS.

感染：

AND ONE OF THE FEARS WE FACE IS NATURE IS THE WORST IN THAT

而我們所面對的恐懼之一就是大自然是最糟糕的。

RESPECT.

尊重。

IT COMES OUT OF NOWHERE, A LOT OF TIMES JUMPING SPECIES FROM

它從哪裡冒出來，很多時候跳躍的物種從。

ANIMALS TO HUMANS.

動物對人類。

>> Stephen: I KNOW ANIMALS ARE DANGEROUS.

>> 我知道動物是危險的。

THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE IN POLLUTION.

這就是為什麼我相信汙染的原因。

HIT THEM FIRST UPON KILL OR BE KILLED.

先擊殺他們，否則就會被擊殺。

NOW, HOW DID THE NIGHTMARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT COMPARE TO THE

現在，你擔心的那個噩夢和我擔心的那個噩夢有什麼區別？

REALITY OF COVID?

COVID的真實性？

>> YOU KNOW, IT MATERIALIZED, STEPHEN, UNFORTUNATELY FOR ALL

>> 你知道嗎，它已經物質化了，史蒂芬，不幸的是

OF US, YOU KNOW A CONTINUATION OF THAT CONVERSATION WOULD HAVE

你知道我們之間的對話如果繼續下去，就會有

BEEN MY WORST NIGHTMARE IS WHAT I INITIALLY HINTED AT IN MY

我最糟糕的噩夢是什麼，我在我的最初暗示。

DISCUSSION WITH YOU IS A BRAND-NEW VIRAL INFECTION THAT

和你一起討論是一種全新的病毒感染，這種病毒是

JUMPS SPECIES FROM AN ANIMAL RESERVOIR TO A HUMAN, THAT'S

從動物保護區到人類的物種跳躍，那是。

RESPIRATORY BORNE, THAT HAS TWO FUNDAMENTAL CHARACTERISTICS --

呼吸道出生，有兩個基本特徵 -- --

ONE, IT SPREADS EXTRAORDINARILY EFFICIENTLY FROM HUMAN TO HUMAN.

一，它從人與人之間超有效地傳播。

AND, TWO, IT HAS THE CAPABILITY OF A HIGH DEGREE OF MORBIDITY

第二，它具有高度病變的能力。

AND MORTALITY.

和死亡。

AND, UNFORTUNATELY FOR ALL OF US, THAT'S COVID-19, WITH

而且，不幸的是，對我們所有人來說，這就是科維德-19，與。

ALREADY A HALF A MILLION PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE DIED,

美國已經有五十萬人死亡。

525 MILLION, WITH 28 MILLION INFECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN

5.25億，其中2800萬個感染病例已經完成。

DOCUMENTED.

有記錄的。

>> Stephen: WELL, AS WE SHOWED, YOU'RE A-- A VOICE-- NOT

>> 好吧，正如我們所展示的，你是一個... ... 一個聲音...

CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, BUT CERTAINLY CRYING IN WHAT CAN BE

在荒野中哭泣，但肯定是在可能的情況下哭泣。

THE WILDERNESS OF POLITICS.

政治的野性。

FOR YEARS OVER PREPARING FOR A PANDEMIC LIKE THIS.

多年來一直在準備這樣的PANDEMIC。

WHAT HAS IT BEEN LIKE, AS A MAN OF SCIENCE, WHAT HAS IT BEEN

作為一個科學工作者，它是什麼樣子的？

LIKE OVER THE PAST YEAR TO SEE FACTS, SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH,

喜歡在過去的一年中看到的事實，科學研究。

SCIENTIFIC MEDICAL ADVICE POLITICIZED, RATHER THAN

科學的醫療建議被政治化，而不是

UTILIZED?

UTILIZED?

>> WELL, IT'S BEEN VERY DISTRESSFUL.

>> 好吧，這是非常令人沮喪的。

AND IT'S IN MANY RESPECTS VERY PAINFUL, BECAUSE AS A PHYSICIAN,

這在很多方面是非常痛苦的，因為作為一個醫生，

A SCIENTIST, AND A PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIAL, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING

一個科學家和一個公共衛生官員，當你處理的時候

WITH A FORMIDABLE ENEMY-- IF YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE IT

與一個強大的敵人--如果你真的想成功的話

METAPHORIC-- THE ENEMY BEING THE VIRUS, THE ONE THING YOU NEED

隱喻--敵人是病毒，你唯一需要的東西。

SUNEED EVERYONE PULLING TOGETHER, REALIZING THAT THE

SUNEED所有人都拉在一起，認識到這一點。

ENEMY IS THE VIRUS, NOT EACH OTHER.

敵人是病毒，而不是彼此。

AND THE WORST POSSIBLE THING-- AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING

和最壞的可能的事情 - 我從來沒有見過任何東西，

LIKE IT BEFORE, STEPHEN.

像以前一樣，史蒂芬。

I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF OUTBREAKS OVER THE 37 YEARS

37年來，我參與了大量的戶外活動。

THAT I'VE BEEN THE DIRECTOR OF THE INSTITUTE, AND I-- I'VE

我是學院的院長，我... ...

NEVER SEEN A SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS SUCH INTENSE

從未見過如此激烈的情況。

DIVISIVENESS WHERE SIMPLE, COMMONSENSE, NO-BRAINER PUBLIC

分化，在簡單的、共同的、不需要動腦筋的公共場所。

HEALTH ISSUES TAKE ON A POLITICAL CONNOTATION.

衛生問題具有政治意義。

IF YOU WEAR A MASK, YOU'RE ON THIS SIDE.

如果你戴著面具，你就在這一邊。

IF YOU DON'T WEAR A MASK, YOU'RE ON THAT SIDE.

如果你不戴口罩，你就在那一邊。

IF YOU WANT TO CONGREGATE, YOU'RE ON THIS SIDE.

如果你想去國會，你就在這一邊。

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO CONGREGATE, YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

如果你不想去國會，你就在另一邊。

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE BECAUSE THE VIRUS IS GOING TO DO

它只是沒有任何意義，因為病毒要做。

WHAT THE VIRUS IS GOING TO DO, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR

病毒要做的事情，不管您的身體狀況如何。

POLITICAL PERSUASION IS, REGARDLESS OF HOW DIVISIVE YOU

政治情緒是，不管你有多大的分歧。

ARE.