My name is Robin Shaw.

我的名字是羅賓-肖。

And I am here today with a very special guest.

今天我在這裡有一位非常特別的客人。

My dear friend, Stephen.

我親愛的朋友，斯蒂芬。

He's also my personal hero.

他也是我的個人英雄。

Hello, Stephen.

你好，斯蒂芬。

Hey, Robin.

嘿，羅賓。

Can you tell us a little bit about yourself?

你能告訴我們關於你自己的一些情況嗎？

I am 33.

我今年33歲。

I am deaf.

我是聾啞人。

I can communicate with you right now through lip-reading and listening through my hearing aids.

我現在可以通過讀脣語和通過助聽器聽來與你交流。

Alright so, yes, he is deaf.

好吧，那麼，是的，他是聾子。

And he can understand me because he can hear a little bit through his hearing aids and

他能理解我，因為他能通過助聽器聽到一點，而且

he has to read my lips.

他必須讀懂我的嘴脣。

Yes.

是的。

Where did we meet?

我們在哪裡認識的？

We met in North Korea 5 years ago.

我們5年前在北韓相遇。

That's right.

這就對了。

I was traveling in North Korea for a few weeks, and we had to stay in the same room for about

我在北韓旅行了幾個星期，我們不得不在同一個房間裡呆了大約半個月。

a week or two.

一兩個星期。

And we met each other.

而我們遇到了對方。

And I was very surprised because he was traveling alone in North Korea.

我非常驚訝，因為他是獨自在北韓旅行。

And, well, you know, just to be in North Korea, Yes,

而且，嗯，你知道，只是為了在北韓，是的。

… is such an adventure.

...就是這樣一個冒險。

But he was there alone.

但他是獨自一人在那裡。

He didn't need anybody's help.

他不需要任何人的幫助。

Yeah.

是的。

And he's quite an independent person.

而且他是一個相當獨立的人。

There are a lot of misconceptions about deaf people.

人們對聾人有很多誤解。

A lot of people believe that deaf people cannot do much.

很多人認為，聾人不能做很多事情。

But I'm a good example of why that is so wrong.

但我是一個很好的例子，說明為什麼這樣做是錯誤的。

Why don't you tell us about your childhood, like, how did you learn English?

你為什麼不告訴我們你的童年，比如，你是如何學習英語的？

It started with a deaf school.

它開始於一所聾啞學校。

So I'm with other children who are also deaf.

所以我和其他也是聾啞人的孩子在一起。

We learned English through the hands, so it's not sign language.

我們通過雙手學習英語，所以這不是手語。

But a representation of English with the hands.

但用手來表示英語。

So through that medium, we learn the structure of English.

是以，通過這種媒介，我們學習英語的結構。

And also…

而且還...

My family are all hearing.

我的家人都有聽力。

So I was isolated from the conversation.

所以我被隔離在對話之外。

So I spent a lot of time reading.

所以我花了很多時間閱讀。

So I learned more English through books.

所以我通過書本學習了更多的英語。

Through books, yes…

通過書籍，是的...

That is amazing.

這真是令人驚訝。

You must've read a lot of books.

你一定讀過很多書。

A lot, yes.

很多，是的。

A lot of books.

很多書。

As I said, or he said, we met in North Korea.

正如我說的，或者說他說的，我們在北韓相遇。

He loves to travel.

他喜歡旅行。

I do.

我願意。

So, how many countries and territories have you been to?

那麼，你去過多少個國家和地區？

I have been to, now, over 90.

我已經去過，現在，超過90個。

Over 90, yes.

超過90歲，是的。

I have not traveled that much.

我沒有走過那麼多路。

And I don't think many of you have traveled that much,

而且我認為你們中的很多人都沒有走過那麼多路。

so he is amazing.

所以他很了不起。

He can travel the world alone.

他可以獨自環遊世界。

You know…

你知道...

No problem.

沒問題。

There's no problem.

沒有問題。

Can you tell us what kind of problems you may have when traveling?

你能告訴我們你在旅行時可能會遇到什麼樣的問題嗎？

I have been to a lot of poor countries.

我去過很多貧窮的國家。

And in poor countries, a lot of people cannot read and write.

而在貧窮的國家，很多人不能閱讀和書寫。

So, a lot of the time, when I communicate, I have to use pen and paper.

是以，很多時候，當我溝通時，我必須使用筆和紙。

So when I go up to someone in a poor country to ask for something,

是以，當我走到一個貧窮國家的人面前，向他索要東西的時候。

I write it down.

我把它寫下來。

But they cannot read it.

但他們無法閱讀。

So, I've had to adapt to that by miming for example, or drawing a picture.

是以，我不得不通過模仿來適應這種情況，比如說模仿，或者畫圖。

So that's a good example.

所以這是一個很好的例子。

Okay, and what country are planning to travel in the near future?

好的，在不久的將來打算去哪個國家旅行？

There's so much more of the world that I want to see.

世界上還有很多東西是我想看到的。

I'm thinking of going to Mongolia.

我正在考慮去蒙古。

It's very beautiful.

它非常漂亮。

Yes.

是的。

Yes, alright.

是的，好吧。

You have been.

你一直在。

I've been to Mongolia.

我去過蒙古。

It's very beautiful.

它非常漂亮。

And, yes, we have traveled...

而且，是的，我們已經走過了...

after we met in North Korea.

在我們在北韓見面之後。

We have traveled to other countries.

我們曾到其他國家旅行。

We've traveled to Sri Lanka and Maldives together.

我們曾一起去斯里蘭卡和馬爾地夫旅行。

Yes.

是的。

And in the future we will travel to more countries.

而在未來，我們將去更多的國家旅行。

Alright, thank you very much, Stephen.

好的，非常感謝你，斯蒂芬。

You're welcome.

不客氣。

I'm very happy you did this.

我很高興你這樣做。

And you shared a part of your life with our viewers.

而你與我們的觀眾分享了你生活的一部分。

And your struggles traveling around the world.

還有你在世界各地旅行時的掙扎。

And learning and speaking English.

並學習和說英語。

So thank you very much.

所以非常感謝你。

Yeah.

是的。

Alright, thank you everyone for watching.

好了，謝謝大家的觀看。

And I'll see you next time.

還有，下次見。