It's big.

It's dangerous.

And more and more, it's crowded.

It's the traffic jam atop the world. A

record number of mountaineers waiting for hours in the harshest conditions on the planet

to reach the 29,000 foot mountain top.

2019 is shaping up to be one of the deadliest years in decades on Mount Everest.

And so those in the climbing industry, it's a business problem.

It's like a stock portfolio.

You've got 15 climbs around the world that you're running.

Some are making more money, some are less.

Some might be closed for political reasons, some might have a volcano erupt.

So that one's off the charts.

We're moving to other areas. So

as a business model you need all these mountains to really make you work for yourself.

Otherwise you're forced to maybe run a trip you don't want to run or have a problem

canceling a trip.

I mean we've canceled trips for five days before they left, knowing that there's other

mountains that we do to support that.

But I think if you're doing one or two mountains, you're relying on that, it puts you as

a business person in a really difficult situation where if I don't run the trip I could

be out of business or going broke.

And you don't want to be there.

In late May 2019, social media images surfaced showing what looked like a human traffic

jam at 29,000 feet, in the upper troposphere.

An image now emblematic of a deadly new normal, droves of climbers waiting for their

chance to summit Mount Everest.

But dark details soon became apparent from the image.

Several people died on the mountain that day.

Reports then surfaced of long lines leading to the summit and climbers burning through

oxygen as they waited for inexperienced climbers to be helped off the mountain or for

others to take selfies at the top of the mountain.

Even with these things going on we're getting calls like, I heard about the disasters.

But hey, what does it take to climb Everest?

You know we'll give them a three or four year routine but also unfortunately people are

doing one or two smaller climbs.

They felt like they've done well.

They're contacting up an outfitter saying Can I give it a try with this kind of

experience and they're saying yes.

So a combination I think of people misreading what it takes to climb Everest and perhaps

some of the guide services misreading what should be expected from clients before taking

them on this mountain.

Mount Everest has become big business for both climbing companies and the local tourist

industry. Those kinds of images are putting certain business practices under scrutiny.

The Nepalese government makes a lot of money from Mt.

Everest.

According to several media reports the government makes $300 million from climbing each

year. It sells permits to foreigners that allow them to climb the Nepalese side of Mt.

Everest. They cost $11,000 and nearly anyone can get one.

Nepal does not cap the number of permits it issues, and it issued a record 381 permits in

2019.

I certainly would like to reduce the volume up there.

But there's a better way to look at who should be going up on what day and how to spread

that out on a case-by-case basis.

Reaching the top of Mount Everest is so dangerous with its brutal winds and lack of oxygen

that there are only a few windows each season in which climbers can hope to reach the

summit. And there are more and more climbers from around the world trying to check

Everest off their bucket lists.

India and China have gotten much wealthier in the past 20 years, and mountaineering in

general has gotten more popular across the world.

That's opening up Mt.

Everest to as many self-proclaimed adventurers who can afford the steep price of entry.

Well, we can say that the interest in Everest has always increased, but in these past few

years it's increased, I don't know, you know 10 fold.

We're seeing a 10 percent increase probably for the past 10 years.

But the increased demand isn't coming with increased quality control

Climbers who lack the endurance and training needed to summit Everest slow everyone else

down, increasing the time other climbers spend in the dangerous summit.

And even if one climbing company does go above and beyond in vetting its clients, they

can be on the mountain with any number of climbing companies that don't, trying to summit

the mountain at the same time.

Mount Everest is a big tourist attraction for Nepal.

Nepal is a poor country, landlocked in tough but beautiful geography.

It needs tourism, and Mount Everest, even if you're not a climber, is a big draw.

During the climbing season, base camp becomes a mini city.

Even actress Mandy Moore recently visited at

So if calls to cap the number of permits Nepal issues to potential Mount Everest climbers

come to fruition, the government there stands to potentially lose millions of dollars.

That also means lost livelihoods for Sherpas, the local guides who make their living

guiding climbers up and down the Himalayan mountains. And

the local adventure tourism industry set up around Everest in the Himalayas.

It's expensive to climb Everest using an established mountaineering company.

Newer local companies in Nepal, for example, charge tens of thousands of dollars less.

We can't tell what kind of fitness you're in beforehand.

Why aren't you vetting these climbers for

fitness? By what? By making them go up the mountain a week before?

There's no way to vet how much time people have put into their fitness training,

and that's a lot of it when said the system of how we're going to evaluate people.

We don't know until they get there.

It becomes the guide's responsibility to more turn people around.

And that's pretty hard.

God, just gave you a $50,000 check and your trip is over on day three.

But that is part of the job of a guide and a guide service, if it's not right.