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  • For more than four decades, Afghanistan has been in the midst of conflict.

  • The human and financial cost of the war in Afghanistan has been devastating.

  • In August 2021, in a matter of weeks, the Taliban seized control of key cities in the

  • country, causing the democratically-elected government to collapse and a mass exodus of

  • citizens and expatriates.

  • After a 20-year absence from power, the Taliban had taken control of Afghanistan, a move

  • that was met with outrage by most of the international community.

  • Losing that support will be costly for the Taliban, the nation's economy and its people.

  • To make sense of what's happening, I called Natasha Turak, a correspondent in our Middle

  • East bureau, who's been covering the Afghanistan crisis since the news broke.

  • Hey, Natasha.

  • Thanks for joining us.

  • Thanks so much for having me, Nessa.

  • How's everything?

  • How's Afghanistan coverage?

  • It's intense.

  • Honestly, it's nothing in comparison to what people on the ground are dealing with,

  • so I'm grateful for the opportunity.

  • So what does the Taliban takeover mean for Afghanistan's economy?

  • The situation we're looking at, it means that Afghanistan's formal economy is likely to crash.

  • This would mean a humanitarian crisis, a refugee crisis and political instability that is far

  • worse than what we're already seeing.

  • That's for a few reasons.

  • The key reason being that Afghanistan's economy is heavily, heavily dependent on foreign aid.

  • Nothing will make up for the sheer volume of funding that Western countries have been

  • providing Afghanistan for the last 20 years.

  • Afghanistan is staring right at a liquidity crisis.

  • 80% of the Afghan government budget was funded by the U.S. and other Western institutions.

  • 40% of the country's GDP came from foreign aid.

  • Importantly, 4% of Afghanistan's GDP comes from remittances, that's money from overseas

  • workers that get sent back home.

  • That's one of the highest rates in the world and those remittances have not been able to

  • reach Afghans in the country who need it.

  • The Biden administration froze all of Afghanistan's foreign assets that are in the U.S., which

  • includes more than $7 billion of the Afghan Central Bank's $9 billion.

  • This could leave the Taliban to impose capital controls.

  • Capital controls are regulations taken by governments or central banks to limit how

  • much money enters and leaves a country.

  • These include restrictions on money transfers and cash withdrawal limits at banks.

  • Losing access to foreign currency is a big deal because Afghanistan's economy is heavily

  • import-dependent.

  • Afghanistan's currency has fallen to record lows, the prices of basic commodities like

  • flour and gas spiked 50% within just two weeks of Kabul's fall to the Taliban.

  • International organisations like the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund also

  • pulled funding from Afghanistan.

  • $12 billion in foreign aid from more than 60 countries was also under scrutiny.

  • Afghanistan's financial future depends heavily on whether the Taliban government gets internationally

  • recognized or not.

  • And that, in itself, will depend on what concessions it is willing to give to the international

  • community, whether it be on human rights guarantees, whether it be guarantees that it will not

  • harbour terrorist groups as it did in the 1990s.

  • Natasha now brings us into the fallout.

  • As Afghanistan faces the risk of economic collapse, what will this mean for its citizens?

  • Nearly 70% of Afghanistan's population is below the age of 25.

  • That means an entire generation of Afghans has grown up with not knowing Taliban rule.

  • So, this is an entire generation of young Afghans, tens of millions, who grew up being

  • able to play soccer, being able to work in media, women being able to participate in

  • politics, in the private sector, in art, in entrepreneurship, in international organisations,

  • in international business.

  • The United Nations have also called women's rights in Afghanistanon a fundamental red line.”

  • While female presence in the workforce has still not been huge, what the country risks

  • losing is not just the progress that's been made in the last two decades, but the future

  • productive potential that would be lost if it chooses to lock half of its population

  • out of the economy.

  • And to take this away from all of these people, first of all, it's devastating for the people

  • who've enjoyed these rights and who've experienced these freedoms for the last 20 years.

  • According to the World Food Bank, it needs $200M by the end of the year to aid millions

  • of Afghans who are facing the risk of starvation.

  • In a country of almost 39 million people, nearly half of the Afghan population lived

  • below the national poverty line in the last year.

  • It is a perennial dilemma for countries that provide aid, when the governments of those

  • countries are committing human rights abuses.

  • Do you cut off funding to ensure that the government itself doesn't get to enjoy those funds?

  • Or do you continue funding to support the people who will likely be hurt the most?

  • And that is continuing to be deliberated, and I think will probably be deliberated for some time.

  • Most of their independent funding comes from criminal activity.

  • So, the Taliban, for decades, funded itself on illicit opium trade, on extortion, kidnappings,

  • there's illicit timber trade, there are some illicit mining activities going on around

  • the country.

  • The thing is: they were able to fund themselves, they were able to fund an insurgency for many,

  • many years.

  • Their net opium revenues ranged from between $40 million US dollars - $400 million in recent years.

  • Do you think we will see a lot more of these activities to fund Taliban operations in Afghanistan?

  • The funding of the Afghan government budget in the last year was $5.3 billion.

  • So that's an enormous difference.

  • And there is no way frankly, from all the analysts, the economists I've been speaking

  • to, that the Taliban can fill that enormous gap, with the activities it's been partaking

  • in, in the last 20 years, to fund itself alone.

  • Afghanistan's strategic, landlocked location has also brought up discussions of its potential,

  • especially for countries with geopolitical interests.

  • Economists say that Afghanistan has more than $1 trillion in untapped mineral wealth.

  • That's everything from copper and iron ore, and gold and gemstones, to lithium, which

  • is exploding in price on the market today, because of the demand for electric vehicles.

  • Now China is working to be a world leader in electric vehicles.

  • And this is something very interesting to them.

  • However, Afghanistan is very underdeveloped in terms of infrastructure.

  • So it's going to take a while, I think, before Afghanistan as a country can take advantage

  • of these minerals and the natural resource wealth that it has.

  • It simply doesn't have the volume and the scale and the level of roads, railroads, power

  • lines, infrastructure in general, to move this kind of technology around the country.

  • Despite Afghanistan having a very strategic location for the expansion of China's Belt

  • & Road Initiative, the security situation on the ground has always been the number one

  • issue for any investor.

  • The Taliban doesn't necessarily control the whole country.

  • There are tribes, there are other militia groups, militants that are in control of other

  • parts of the country.

  • So the Taliban, even if they tried to guarantee security for an investor like China, they

  • can't really guarantee it on the ground.

  • And remember that parts of the country are still laden with IEDs, with landmines, and

  • the fact that you also have the potential in the coming years for renewed civil war

  • in the country.

  • In the early days of the Taliban takeover, countries like China, Russia, Iran, Qatar,

  • Turkey and Pakistan kept their embassies open in a bid for diplomatic outreach.

  • Several among those countries are developing relationships with the Taliban, including

  • Russia and China, who likely see a strategic opportunity to wield influence in Afghanistan

  • in the vacuum that the U.S. has left behind.

  • As the country continues to grapple with the swift regime change, the Taliban takeover

  • brings to mind its harsh rule in the past.

  • However, Afghanistan's inevitable dependence on foreign aid might prove pivotal to its future.

  • Afghans also make up one of the largest refugee populations in the world, with most settling

  • in Pakistan, Iran, Germany and Turkey.

  • As more people flee, the exodus of skilled workers may lead to a brain drain, further

  • hampering the country's recovery.

  • The future of Afghanistan is thus far very unclear.

  • The uncertainty here is that we don't know what a future Taliban government is going

  • to look like.

  • The Taliban leadership say that, oh, things will be different now, they're going to

  • be a more inclusive government, they are going to allow women to work, but it's very unclear

  • how much they will actually abide by those pledges.

  • Or by how their spokespeople have talked about having a more inclusive government, having

  • a more tolerant government, have so far been shattered by reports of violence across the

  • country, reports of beatings, turning women away from places of work and education, people

  • being killed while trying to protest the Taliban.

  • We've talked about how much the Taliban has said that they will change, but we're

  • also forgetting how much has the Afghan society or community, in general, they have changed as well.

  • And this might prove to be a big challenge for a Taliban government.

  • The ball is essentially in the Taliban's court.

  • But at the same time, there is leverage that Western countries hold.

  • So whether the Taliban will be willing to make concessions to the West to gain some

  • of the funds that they vitally need to fund the government is yet to be seen.

For more than four decades, Afghanistan has been in the midst of conflict.

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