I physically can't look at cheese.

It sends, like, shivers down my spine.

I've been brought up around farming since the day I was born.

I'm passionate in producing food to feed the country and the rest of the world.

KLAXON

I've been brought up around farming my entire life,

and as a result, I'm proud to be part of feeding the country and feeding the world.

British farmers have some of the highest standards of animal welfare,

traceability and environmental protection than any other farmers anywhere in the world.

At the same time, we don't tell people what they should eat.

We grow what they want to eat.

People should have access to accurate information

and be able to make their own decisions in terms of what

they want to eat and how they should live their lives.

Dude, I understand your perspective.

What do you think about the ability to essentially clone flesh,

and replicate the taste of an animal?

I guess, would you consider...?

Do you want to sit down? Can we sit and talk face-to-face?

Would you like that?

I feel great about losing the challenge.

I'd like to continue the conversation, though -

if you're OK with that? Yeah, I'm completely happy to do that.

Cool. Let me get another chair. Do you want to sit down? I'm Josh.

Josh. Nice to meet you. No, sit on that one.

When I shook his hand,

I could feel the suffering that those animals have had to endure.

You know, the flesh cloning?

I think you should lead the UK in developing that technology.

If you develop that, then you will need,

like, one beautiful cow that is, like, the most sacred

cow in the whole world that delivers meat to everyone.

Do you know what I mean? Like, that would be amazing,

cos YOU know how sentient these creatures are.

They just want love. That's all they want. They just want love.

I completely respect somebody whose decision... Cool.

..to live a vegan lifestyle.

To me, it's just the same as voting for who you want to vote for,

worshipping what god you want to worship... Sure.

..marrying who you want to marry. For sure.

For me, choosing what diet you have and what lifestyle you live falls into that.

I'm all up for pursuing other options in terms of how we are going to feed the world. Cool.

But the animals that I've been around my entire life have

been farmed in a way that is fair.

I don't see why the way we produce food,

whether that be beef or dairy or lamb... Yeah.

..needs to be replaced by that technology.

You do see that as the inevitable future, right?

Personally, no. I could see it could be. You think it could be...

I can't read...I don't have a crystal ball, so I can't see what the future looks like.

I have a crystal ball. I know what the future looks like.

If you say that's the future, I'll have to take your word for it.

Cool. Obviously, Nik has a crystal ball that he can

use to see into the future.

I don't have that talent.

I'm excited if you can read the future, cos I certainly can't.

OK.

Yeah, you can't. You eat meat. It's a vegan thing. It's a superb thing.

Sad. He's lost.

I certainly won't change my opinion.

I'm a big believer that British agriculture is sustainable

and fit for the future

and we are constantly striving to improve it day-to-day,

and I also can't see Nik changing his opinion any time soon.

I really don't mind that I lost the challenge.

It's totally OK!