Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles >>> A FORMER DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE WENT VIRAL WHEN SHEOSTED A FALSE CLAIM ABOUT THE MORNING AFTER PILL. PAM KEITH TWEETED, QUOTE, TENNESSEE JUST BANNED PLAN B AND MADE IT A CRIME PUNISHABLE BY A $50,000 FINE TO ORDER IT. THE PROBLEM WITH IT, IT IS NOT ACCURATE. JOINING US NOW TO EXPLAIN, CNN REPORTER DANIEL DALE WITH A FACT CHECK. DANIEL? >> YOU'RE RIGHT, TENNESSEE HAS NOT BANNED PLAN B, PLAN B CONTINUES TO BE AVAILABLE TO TENNESSEE RESIDENTS THERE IS NO FINE FOR ORDERING PLAN B. THE VIRAL TWEET IS PLAIN INACCURATE. HERE ARE THE FACTS. LAST WEEK GOVERNOR BILL LEE OF TENNESSEE SIGNEDED A NEW LAW THAT INCREASES THE PENALTY FOR SENDING PEOPLE IN TENNESSEE ABORTION MEDICATION BY MAIL OR COURIER. MAKES THAT A FELONY WITH A FINE OF UP TO $50,000. UNDER BOTH PREVIOUS TENNESSEE LAW AND THIS NEW LAW, DOCTORS HAVE TO DISTRIBUTE ABORTION MEDICATION TO PATIENTS IN PERSON ONLY. BUT HERE'S THE THING, JOHN, PLAN B IS NOT ABORTION MEDICATION, IT IS CALL THE MORNING AFTER PILL FOR A REASON, IF PURPOSES PREVENTING PREGNANCY NOT TERMINATING PREGNANCY. THE LANGUAGE OF THE NEW TENNESSEE LAW MAKES CLEAR THAT THIS RESTRICTION AND THE FINE JUST DON'T COVER PLAN B AND OTHER EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTION AT ALL. SECOND, THE FINE OF UP TO $50,000 IS FOR PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE ABORTION PILLS BY MAIL, COURIER OR DELIVERY. AGAIN, TALKING ABORTION PILLS, NOT PLAN B. AND CRITICALLY, THE LAW EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT PATIENTS ARE EXEMPT FROM PENALTIES. THE PENALTIES ARE FOR THE PROVIDERS WHO BREAK THE LAW, NOT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ORDER THE MEDICATION. NOW, MISS KEITH'S TWEET WAS UP FOR A FEW DAYS, GOT MORE THAN 26,000 RETWEETS. SHE DELETED IT AFTER I REACHED HER BY PHONE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND EXPLAINED THE LAW. SHE SAID SHE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A DOCTOR, TO BE IN TENNESSEE OR TO BE AN EXPERT IN NEW TENNESSEE LAW. BUT I DON'T KNOW, TWEET WAS PRETTY DEFINITIVE SOUNDING AND THIS SUBJECT IS SO PERSONAL THAT INACCURATE CLAIMS CAN REALLY AFFECT PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS AND POSSIBLY THE LIFE DECISIONS THEY MAKE. ONE ABORTION RIGHTS GROUP IN TENNESSEE TOLD ME THEY DECIDED TO PUT OUT AN INSTAGRAM STATEMENT CLARIFYING THAT THE NEW LAW DOESN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE MUCH FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE PEOPLE THEY'RE IN TOUCH WITH WERE TAKING IN MISINFORMATION AND GETTING CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THE LAW ACTUALLY DOES. >> NOT JUST GETTING THE TRUTH, BUT GETTING RESULTS, DANIEL DALE. SO, LOOK, IF ROE IS STRUCK DOWN BY THE SUPREME COURT, ABORTION LAW WOULD BE SET BY EACH STATE. WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT TENNESSEE'S POSSIBLE POST ROE FUTURE? >> IF ROE IS INVALIDATED, TENNESSEE IS PLANNING TO BAN ALMOST ALL ABORTIONS. IT IS ONE OF MORE THAN A DOZEN STATES THAT HAS SO-CALLED TRIGGER LAW IN PLACE, A LAW THAT SNAPS INTO EFFECT IF ROE IS OVERTURNED AND THIS TRIGGER LAW SAYS 30 DAYS AFTER ROE GOES DOWN, ABORTION IS BANNED. THERE IS AN EXCEPTION FOR THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER, BUT NO EXCEPTION FOR RAPE OR FOR INCEST. >> AND THAT HAPPENS 30 DAYS AFTER ROE IS STRUCK DOWN. DANIEL DALE, AS I SAID, NOT JUST THE TRUTH, BUT RESULTS, THANKS SO MUCH FOR THAT. >> THANKS, JOHN. >>> LET'S BRING IN CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT DANA BASH, AND CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT KAITLAN COLLINS. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOMETHING SENATOR TED CRUZ SAID THERE ARE SOME IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WHO ARE NERVOUS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF OVERTURNING ROE V. WADE. >> I CAN TELL YOU DEMOCRATS IN WASHINGTON ARE HOLDING ON TO THAT AS THEIR HAIL MARY CHANCE TO SAVE THE MIDTERMS. THEY BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE HORRIFIED AND THAT WILL HELP THEM WIN. AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, MORE THAN A FEW REPUBLICAN SENATORS ARE NERVOUS THAT'S THE CASE. >> WE KNEW THIS, BUT IT IS SO INTERESTING TO HEAR HIM SAY IT. >> IT IS. HE ALSO SAID IN THAT SAME PODCAST, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A POSITIVE EFFECT OF PEOPLE IN THE PRO LIFE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR THIS FOR 50 YEARS. HE MIGHT BE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. BUT IF HISTORY IS ANY GUIDE FOR US HERE ON THE WAY POLITICS AND POLITICAL MOVEMENTS AND FERVOR WORKS, IT IS NOT ON THE SIDE OF THE VICTOR, AND IN THIS CASE POLITICALLY SPEAKING THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR 50 YEARS, SINCE ROE FIRST WAS -- HAPPENED IN THE EARLY '70s. NOW THE QUESTION REALLY IS ABOUT HOW MUCH OF A GALVANIZER THIS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN FOR GRANTED THAT THIS WOULD JUST BE THE LAW OF THE LAND FOREVER. AGAIN, HISTORY TELLS US THAT THAT IS WHERE THE ENERGY IS MORE LIKELY TO BE. NOT ON THE SIDE OF THOSE WHO -- WHOSE ENERGY FOR 50 YEARS PAID OFF. >> THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES HAVE WANTED TO SEE FOR SO LONG. IT HAS BEEN ONE OF THEIR DEFINING PRINCIPLES. MAYBE IT ANIMATES THE BASE, BUT NOT THE SWING VOTERS WHO ARE HESITANT ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, HAD THIS RULING HAPPENING, THIS COMING DOWN, WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE FUTURE OF THAT. THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERN FROM SOME OF THESE REPUBLICAN SENATORS COMES FROM. >> ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY OF THE MIDTERMS, THERE IS SUCH A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE AND THE DYNAMICS THAT COULD PLAY OUT WITH THIS AND OTHER ISSUES. THERE IS SO FEW SWING DISTRICTS LEFT IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF REDISTRICTING AND LOTS OF OTHER REASONS THAT THE POOL OF POLITICIANS FOR WHOM THIS COULD MAKE A MAKE OR BREAK DIFFERENCE IS SMALL. ON THE SENATE SIDE, YOU HAVE LARGE STATES, YOU HAVE LOTS OF SUBURBAN POCKETS, LOTS OF POCKETS WHERE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENERGIZED COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. >> WHEN WE COVERED CONGRESS TOGETHER, THERE WERE SO MANY DEMOCRATS WHO WERE, YOU ANY, PRO-LIFE. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, BECAUSE HERE IN A FEW HOURS WE'RE GOING TO SEE PRESIDENT BIDEN GIVING A SPEECH ADDRESS INFLATION. THERE ARE SO MANY AMERICANS SOUR ON THE ECONOMY. WHAT DO WE EXPECT HE'S GOING TO SAY? >> THE THING IS, IT IS THE FACT HE'S GIVING THIS SPEECH, THAT HE FEELS THE NEED TO COME OUT TO ADDRESS THIS, TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HIS GAME PLAN IS, WHEN YOU HEAR WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LIMITS TO WHAT HE CAN DO TO TRY TO BLUNT THIS. BUT THEY SAY THEY KNOW HE HAS TO BE OUT THERE TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY WANT TO SHOW HE IS ADDRESSING IT, BECAUSE FOR ALL THE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE SUPREME COURT RULING, ONE THING WE DO KNOW IS RIGHT NOW THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN THAT VOTERS HAVE IS INFLATION. AND THE ECONOMY. AND THEY DON'T THINK IT IS GOING WELL. AND SO YOU'LL SEE PRESIDENT BIDEN COME OUT AND TALK ABOUT HE HAS DONE SO FAR, WHAT HE PLANS TO DO, BUT LOOK AT THE REPORTS THIS MORNING ABOUT GAS PRICES REACHING A NEW HIGH. GOING UP 17 CENTS JUST IN THE LAST WEEK ALONE, IN THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS, AND THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN FOR THEM, BECAUSE, YES, PRESIDENT BIDEN RELEASED OIL FROM THE STRATEGIC RESERVES LAST MONTH, PRICES DIPPED A LITTLE BIT, AS WE SAID AT THE TIME, AS WHAT ANALYSTS WERE TELLING US, EXPERT OZ ON THIS MATTER, IT IS GOING TO BE TEMPORARY AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK UP. RIGHT NOW WE'RE SEEING THAT, YOU'RE HEARING CONCERNS ARE GOING TO GO UP EVEN FURTHER THIS SUMMER. IT IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT IS GOING AWAY FOR THEM. THEY KNOW IT IS NUMBER ONE. >> THEY'RE HEARING, I'M SURE WHAT WE'RE BOTH HEARING, FROM THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE ON THE BALLOT, IN NOVEMBER, BEGGING THE PRESIDENT TO GET MORE INVOLVED ON THE ISSUE OF THE ECONOMY, BEGGING HIM TO GET OUT MORE -- MORE OUT FRONT ON IT. THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY I CAN RUN SEPARATELY, TRIANGULATE, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE RINNING CAMPAIGNS SAY THE PRESIDENT IS TIED TO THE ECONOMY. >> DO YOU THINK RIGHT NOW IF WE CAN SWITCH TOPICS AND TALK ABOUT VLADIMIR PUTIN AND HOW THE WHITE HOUSE, HOW THE PRESIDENT HAS SEEN PUTIN AFTER THAT SPEECH HE GAVE YESTERDAY ON A KEY DAY ON VICTORY DAY, WHAT ARE THEY THINKING NOW AFTER PUTIN REALLY DIDN'T SAY WHAT THEY THOUGHT HE MIGHT. HE DIDN'T DECLARE VICTORY. HE DIDN'T DO SOME SORT OF VICTORY LAP OR ANYTHING. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING HE'S GOING TO DO NOW? >> THERE WAS A BIT OF A DIVIDED VIEW IN THE WHITE HOUSE OF WHAT YESTERDAY'S SPEECH FROM HIM WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SOME SAID MAYBE HE WILL TRY TO DECLARE VICTORY OR ANNOUNCE HE'S MOBILIZING WORKFORCES. OTHERS WERE SKEPTICAL GIVEN HE DOESN'T HAVE PROGRESS TO TOUT AT THIS SPEECH. HE DIDN'T MAKE NEW ANNOUNCEMENTS THERE. THEY WATCHED IT VERY CLOSELY. OFFICIALS FOUND IT SUBDUED, MUTED, DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING NEW, THEY DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO RESPOND IN ANY GREAT WAY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HE SAID BECAUSE WHAT IS THE POINT OF ESCALATING IT ANY FURTHER. ONE BIG QUESTION THAT I THINK WAS REVEALED BY PRESIDENT BIDEN LAST NIGHT, HE SAID AT A CLOSED DOOR FUND-RAISER IS PUTIN IS A VERY CALCULATING PERSON. BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE HAVING TROUBLE FIGURING OUT WHERE HE'S GOING NEXT. AND WHAT IS A POSSIBLE EXIT FOR HIM HERE, AN ENDGAME WHERE HE CAN SAY I HAVE THIS TANGIBLE ACHIEVEMENT, THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO HANG MY HAT ON IN AN ATTEMPT TO DECLARE VICTORY IN UKRAINE? BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED SO MUCH FROM HE WANTS TO TAKE THE CAPITAL, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. NOW HE'S MOVED TO FOCUS ON EASTERN AND SOUTHERN UKRAINE. THE PROGRESS THERE FOR THE RUSSIANS HAS BEEN INCREMENTAL AT BEST WHEN YOU TALK TO PENTAGON OFFICIALS. NOW WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS TALKING ABOUT, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS I DON'T KNOW HOW HE GETS OUT OF THIS WAR IS THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT PUTIN FEELS LIKE HE CAN TOUCH ON THAT HE CAN THEN EXIT THIS WAR AND STILL FEEL THAT HIS REPUTATION IS IN TACT. AND YOU HEARD THE CIA DIRECTOR SAY THIS, HE THINKS THAT RIGHT NOW PUTIN'S MINDSET IS HE CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE THIS WAR. >> WHICH IS WHAT HE DIDN'T EXPECT, AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE ANSWER IS THAT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT PUTIN AS THIS CHESS PLAYER, AS SOMEBODY WHO IS PLAYING THE LONG GAME WHO HAS A PLAN OUT FOR THE FUTURE, THAT BECAUSE HIS STRATEGY IN UKRAINE DIDN'T GO THE WAY HE INTENDED, HE MIGHT NOT KNOW THE ANSWER, SO EVERYBODY IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO GET INSIDE HIS HEAD, HIS HEAD MIGHT NOT HAVE THE ANSWER WHERE HE WANTS TO GO RIGHT NOW. >> AND I THINK ONE CONCERN, WE HAVE TRIED TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN SUCH A MEASURED WAY BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU DO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS THREAT OF HIM USING A TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPON, THE THING I THINK STANDS OUT THE MOST FOR ME, WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE CIA DIRECTOR AND HE SAYS THE CHANCE ISN'T ZERO. WE'RE NOT SAYING IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. WE DON'T HAVE INTELLIGENCE HE'S MOVING OR POSTURING TO MAKE A STRIKE LIKE THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT SAYING IT IS A ZERO CHANCE, HE IS CONDUCTING THIS NUCLEAR SABER RATTLING, HIS AIDES ARE, IT RAISES A CONCERN FOR PEOPLE LIKE THE CIA DIRECTOR. THAT IS SUCH AN INTERESTING ASPECT OF THIS, AS I THINK THEIR CONCERN IS HE GETS KIND OF TO THE END OF HIS ROPE AND THAT'S A LAST RESORT MEASURE. >> MAYBE A SIGN OF HIS DESPERATION, BUT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO DO IT, IT ISN'T A SMALL CHANCE. DANA AND KAITLAN, THANK YOU
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