EUDevelopmentministersaremeetingtodayjusttodiscusshowthewarinUkraineisimpactingglobalFoodSecurity, A Ukraineisoneoftheworld's mostimportantsuppliersofgrainandsunfloweroil.
I thinkwehavetosaythattheeuropeanunionisveryconcerned, notsomuchaboutitsowndependenceonUkrainianweedorsunfloweroil, it's moreaboutwhatcouldbehappeningsoonintheneighboringcountriesorinthemostvulnerablecountriesinpartsofafricaorintheMiddleEast.
Sothereis a majorconcernthatwecouldseemasshungerandfamineifthiscrisisisnotgoingtobesolved.
But I thinkthismeetingismoreaboutexchangingviewsandproposalsonhowtohelpUkraine.
Alright.
DwsAlexandraphenomenonbrussels, thankyouMSUrpilainen, you'reattending a G sevenDevelopmentMinistersmeetinghereinBerlin.
Whatisyourmaintakeawayfromthis?
Wehadveryconstructive, a goodmeetingandseveralverytimelytopicswediscussedonuh I wouldsaythatthemainmessageisthateventhoughtheUkrainianwarorwarinUkraineistakingplaceineurope, thecrisisisglobalandthat's whywecannotturnourbacktotherestoftheworldbecauseweseethattheconsequencesofthewararevery, veryserious.
Andthat's veryimportanttotellalsotoourpartnersintheGlobalSouthumtakingintoaccountforinstance, foodsecurityandfoodcrisis, whichis a hugechallengeforinstance, intheHornofAfricaorinthesouthernpartoftheSahelinAfrica, WearegivingastheEuropeanUnionandas a teamEurope.
Andthenlike I said, it's alwaysofcourseimportanttoo.
Twoactrapidlyandlookatthecurrentcrisis, but I thinkit's alsoatthesametimeimportanttoo, tohavethiskindof a midtermperspective.
HowwouldyoudefinetherelationshipbetweentheeuropeanunionandAfrica, Isit a relationshiponaneyesighton a levelorisitstilleuropetellingafricahowtheyshouldproducethings, howtheyshouldimport, howtheyshouldexport.
I woulddefineourpartnershipasequalandmutualpartnerships.
TherehasbeencriticismthatusuallywhentheEUishelping, it's also a lotofvaluebased, notwithforexample, chinesearealsoincreasingtheirinfluenceinAfrica.
DoyouthinkthatthereshouldbesomewayapproachorsomemistakesthatweremadebyeuropeanunioninstitutionsregardingAfrica, I thinkit's quiteclearthateverythingtheeuropeanunionisdoingisbasedonthevalueswerepresentbecauseformetheeuropeanunionisthecommunityofvalues.
Sothat's whyforinstanceisglobalgatewaystrategyandallthoseinvestmentswearetryingtoacceleratethroughtheglobalgatewaystrategyareverymuchlinkedtothevalues, how I seethestrategy, it's a positiveoffertoourpartnercountriesintheGlobalSouthnotonlyafricagloballyreallytotoaccelerateinvestmentsinenergybutalsotoagriculture, transport, digitalandalsosoftinfrastructurelikehealthandeducation.
Well I thinkit's it's veryunderstandablethatbecauseofthewarinUkrainewereallywanttodecreaseourdependenceontheRussianenergyandfossilfuels.
Um I thinkit's necessaryreallytocreatenewnewpartnershipsalsointermsofenergy.
Umhow I seethepartnershipisthatifyouhave a realpartnershipequalpartnershipthenyoucanalsoraiseuhdifficulttopicstoyourdiscussionsandandtables.
Soofcourse I personallyhopethateventhoughwearecreatingnewcontractsintermsofenergywithdifferentpartnersglobally, wecanalsoyouknow, despitethatwecanalsoraisethosevaluevaluebasedtopicstothoseinthosediscussionswiththemaswell.
Doyouthinkthatshouldhappenafterthepartnership?
Sofirstthebusiness, theeconomytoseewhenitcomestoenergyandthenraisethosetopicsormaking a conditiontogointo a partnership?
I thinkatleastfrommyownexperience, I thinkyoucandoitparallelsoyoucanyoucanhaveyourowninterest, youcanalsoyouknowprompromoteyourownstrategicinterest.
Andthisisofcoursepartoftheglobalgateway.
Weseethatalsoas a as a strategicinterestoftheeuropeanunionandtheeurope, butonthesametime, youcanalsodiscussonvaluesandandwhereandwhatarethevaluesthepartnershipisbasedon.
So I thinkyoucandobothgermandevelopmentMinister, SvenjaSchulzeaccusedRussiaofusinginhungeris a weapon.
Doyouagreewiththat?
Unfortunately, onecanreallyhavethiskindofinterpretationbecauseaswe'vealreadydiscussed a littlebitearlier, weseethatthereis a lotoffoodinthestorageisinUkraineandUkraineisnotabletoexportthat.
DoyouthinkthatafterthatRussiacouldonceagainbeconsidered a partnerfortheeuropeanunion?
I thinkwestillhave a longwaytogoinordertoseethatday.
Butum I personally, like I said, I believeinmultilateralism, I believeintherulebasedorder.
I thinkthat's alsothebenefitoftheeuropeanunion.
I wouldliketoseethismultipleworldwherewedon't onlyhaveliketwoor 3 superpowerscompetingeachother.
Andfromthatperspective, ofcourse I wouldreallyliketosee a multilateralsystemwheredifferentsuperpowersandactorsoftheworldcanalsobepartofbutlike I said, westillhave a longwaytogoinordertoseethatdaybecausenowofcourseweareinthemiddleofthewar, andthemainmessageisthatRussiahastoendthiswar.
MrCallanan, thankyouverymuchforthisinterview.
Thankyoufeelingdunk.
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