namely, that God is love

and that we're free,

which means we can respond to that love,

we can incorporate that love, we can hook ourselves onto it,

or we can resist it.

And hell would be the permanent

and eternal absolute "no" to God.

If you are at a party-

there's a party swirling around you.

Everyone's having a great time.

There's music and there's good food and everyone's laughing,

but you're in the worst mood of your life.

That party is increasing your suffering.

If you were by yourself,

you wouldn't suffer as much as you would in that party.

Well, see, hell would be like that.

'The Bible's very clear on the existence of hell.'

Well, some time ago, I did a video

where I suggested we may hope that all people be saved.

I didn't say, "I know all people are saved."

I didn't say, "No problem, don't worry about it."

I said, "We may hope."

And I must say I was very surprised

at the vehemence of the reaction of some people,

who seem to be very enthusiastic about a populated hell.

The position I take, I think, is kind of a middle ground

between saying, "Well, obviously everyone goes to heaven,"

and "Well, no, obviously there's, you know, lots and lots,

or most people in hell."

Mine, I think, is a middle position.

What are arguments for a crowded hell?

Well, look around us.

I mean, that's easy in a way.

There's plenty of wickedness to go around.

And so we can say Hitler and Stalin

are the real limited cases,

but come on, look around, and look in.

Well, the Bible says, "There's no man righteous,

No, not one."

So that's easy in a way

that, yeah, if I just look at human achievement,

morally speaking, I'd say most of us would go to hell.

What's the counter argument?

God, and God's love and God's mercy.

And more to it, what God has accomplished in Christ.

The Father sent the Son where?

Into our sin so that He could, in principle,

carry everybody back to the Father.

So yes, I look all around, what do I see?

People destined for hell.

Jesus himself said that, 'The road to perdition is wide

and most taken.'

Yeah sure, that's true,

but-

but that same Jesus went to the end of that road

so that as we run away from the Father,

we are running into the arms of the Son.

Are we ready for intimacy with God,

which is what heaven means?

Well, not until we've purged selfishness,

cruelty, different forms of wickedness from our lives.

We require, therefore, 'the schola animarum,'

the school of souls, this purgative process

by which we're readied for love.

Might this take place even after we die?

Let's face it, in this life, it's not the case

that the best people get rewarded,

and the most wicked people are punished.

I mean sometimes, but not always.

And so people, I think, very naturally have said,

"No, there must be some realm where things are set right.

Where a God, who is a God of justice, sets things right."

Now, is anyone in the state of hell,

permanent, everlasting rejection of God?

Well, we don't know.

Purgatory, a place of purification,

where imperfections are burned away,

where things are set right.

Might we hope for that, hope for that, even for all people?

We may hope-

I don't know it.

To claim to know it is to fall into a heresy.

I'm not gonna do that.

But I may hope,

given the acrobatic display of God's love in Christ,

I may hope that all people be saved.