Subtitles section Play video Print subtitles The biggest reason why Warrior Cats is so popular is simple. The series has quickly and consistently put out content every year for over two decades. No matter what the quality of any individual book is, the quantity of material they have, the number of characters and plots they have explored, and the number of expansions they have made to the world are too vast for any other member of the genre to match, at least so far. To keep up that pace, Warriors has always had to rely on a team of people to conceive of and write the books, distinctly separating those jobs in almost all cases, and that team has only grown with time to include comic artists and writers, artists for special books, more ghost writers, and many more editors since Victoria Holmes left. That does mean that we as readers always have a lot of material to draw from for discussion, art, roleplay, games, writing, or analysis depending on our preferences and investment levels, but it also means that over 20 years and many, many people giving their input to the canon, we have had to grapple with several different sources of information. Were there a single, definitive source that the various creators had made from which to gauge all existing lore, characters, relationships, and otherwise in the world, in other words, a series bible, some of the problems we have grown into could have been avoided, but by now, the damage has long since been done, and we have to live with the contradictions our disparate sources have made. Many, many books across the series have needed to or decided to retcon in elements that weren't discussed or were actively contradicted in previous material, when the new idea would better fit the story they were currently writing. In addition, even outside the books, various members of the Erin team have said things about the characters or world that weren't in the published material and often weren't agreed upon by the team, instead being thought of hastily in the moment. All these different sources: different people and even different books have been considered canon at different times over the years. As a fandom, many of us, especially those less invested in the books, get our information second or third hand from artists or writers who have already reimagined or invented materials, or from people who didn't check the original source for their own information. But even when we look at the same canon published material, we can still interpret it differently, especially considering what other pieces of canon we may or may not have read for context, and whatever ideas we may get can then spread among the rest of the fandom and be considered as commonplace an idea as something in a published work. All of this is undoubtedly confusing, which is why, today, I would like to go through a map of sorts to show how Warriors information gets to us, and from there, maybe we'll be able to figure out what to do with it. Starting at the top, we have the elements that go into a published work of Warriors. There are, of course, a lot of factors, but I have split it broadly into three categories: Editor Notes, the extremely lengthy guidelines the editors come up with for the plots, character arcs, lore decisions, and so on for a book they're currently writing, Author Interpretations, the small amounts of personal choice or interpretation of a character that ghostwriters are able to inject while fleshing out the editors' outline, and Publisher Guidelines, whatever the needs of the publisher and team might be absent of what they would like to put into a story. Putting all of these together is already bringing in a lot of voices, but they do work together, and it is still a relatively small and finite number of people. Once the book is published, though, things become much less contained. First, sometimes even before the books come out, fans of all ages will summarize the story, or parts of the story, for other fans to get a sense of what happens. These summaries are almost certain to contain bias of some sort, be it leaving out some details the summarizer didn't care about, focusing positively or negatively on a character or plot they have strong feelings about, or adding in or taking away details they genuinely didn't remember because they aren't summarizing the whole story word by word. Despite this, these summaries are, for many, the only ways they consume certain books, either because they didn't have interest in this entry to begin with or because the summary itself told them all they needed to know to make their decision. Off of these summaries, fan discussions can erupt which may or may not end up accurately discussing the book thanks to the inherent bias of the source. There have been times where discourse has erupted over something that, as it turns out, was never in the books to begin with. My best advice around these is to take any summary with a grain of salt. No matter how intent on honesty the summarizer is, avoiding bias in a situation like this is impossible and there will almost certainly be some context somewhere that you are missing, context that could make a situation in the books either better or worse. Aside from general summaries, several people make active reviews of the books as they come out, giving their opinions on how the story is coming together, what they think of the characters, plot, and lore, and how it fits into the overall world and narrative of Warriors, given what they can remember coming before. These tend to be significantly more biased than summaries, by design, and they rarely even claim to include a comprehensive look at the whole story. Instead they tend to follow specific plot threads, characters, or details that the reviewer has interest in and can fold in content from elsewhere in the series, personal theories, or even fandom jokes and ideas if the reviewer finds them to be relevant. People who view these reviews will get one person's take on the published material and almost always will get several true facts on it, but without having read the material itself it is hard to say you have a clear view of it, and especially hard to form an opinion of your own distinct from what the reviewer thinks. Out of these reviews, analyses, or theories, fan discourse can sprout up among larger groups of people, many of whom will not have read the books. This isn't a problem, and I'm not telling anyone they are wrong for not having read a book, but it should be obvious from here how easy it would be for details to become distorted, inflated, erased, or even made up over time. It isn't just individuals who review or analyze books, though. Entire groups on various platforms will often discuss the books as they come out, and those discussions will almost inevitably end up focusing on a few key talking points and land on a few key opinions over months or even years of discussing the new materials with each release, leading to entire sectors of the fandom having precise, generally uniform conceptions of different books or characters and often having little contact with other spaces where opinions might differ. Having two people who only know the books from these discussions, but on different platforms, speak to each other can often sound like these people couldn't have possibly read the same series, and it is where many, though not all heated arguments sprout from. On a lighter note, the published material also inspires plenty of fandom material…but as you can see, those have their own categories, so we'll come back to this later. With the published material through, it's time to take a look at the second source…author statements. These can be made on a forum, on facebook or instagram, during an interview, in a letter, or otherwise, but what binds these statements together is that they were made by one member of the Erin Hunter team alone and often were made on a whim in answer to a spontaneous question, considering only their opinion in the moment and not the long term ramifications or researching what had been written before to choose an appropriate answer. From my point of view, which like anyone else's is not an objective one, these are not as strong a source as anything in a published book would be. Even the people who made the statements don't have infinite faith in them, as in cases where authors later realized the implications of their words and went back on them, and many that weren't retracted simply never came to pass in the books or were even contradicted in the material we had. These statements aren't often even seen by a wide body of people. They aren't published in many places, aren't advertised, and sometimes are only shown to a few select people who were relevant to the initial question. In a series made entirely by one person, comments like this could have more, though not total, canonical weight thanks to being followed by more people and only filtering through the mind and memory of one person, but in this series with so many people working together, I honestly believe the only reason these statements have held power as long as they have is because of…well, we'll get back to that. First though it's time to go into what seems to be the modern version of author statements in the Warriors World: content on the Warriors website, the new version that came out in 2019. The website gets content from three main sources. The first is the “Story Team,” a label members of the Erin Hunter team use when speaking about their reasons for writing certain things in the past or teasing ideas to come, along with occasionally speaking on specific in-story topics. Considering this comes straight from people who actually write or conceive of the stories, these tend to be the most valuable in terms of telling what is true in the Warriors universe, but even then, like with Author Statements, we don't know that every member of the team agreed to anything said by the “Story Team,” and anything said on the website isn't guaranteed to be in the published books. The second is the “Editors,” staff who work specifically on the website that we, as a general audience, know little to nothing about. They put up articles on different Warriors topics and keep the website updated with announcements, quotes, and quizzes for people who follow the site regularly but there isn't much they can offer in terms of deciding what is canon for the books, since they have no direct relation to them. The third is the fans, some who are sought out to provide their input on different topics and many more who are showcased for their art, fan theories, or otherwise as a tribute to the fandom that has stayed alive for so long. It is genuinely great to see so many fans get a chance to see their hard work recognized and for some to provide their own thoughts on the books, but this position doesn't hold any sway over the books themselves. However, all three of these sources are displayed on the same website, and like the published material, anything published on the website can be and is discussed, reviewed, joked about, and otherwise by the fandom outside the website. The Erins themselves also go to the website sometimes to pick up what has been said about the books and to canonize certain things that weren't stated to be true before, which is a dangerous venture if that information wasn't thoroughly checked over first. And of course, a lot of things that go on the website wind up on one other platform. It's time to discuss the Warriors Wiki. Let me clear right off the bat that this is not going to be a criticism of the platform. A lot of work from a lot of volunteers goes into maintaining that site and it is, at this point, an irreplaceable resource. I don't agree with every decision they make, but that is true for just about every group ever, and what I will talking about today is how the Wiki is used. The wiki is most similar to wikipedia, as it name would imply. What it does is it collects and stores information in one easy to reach place rather than forcing you to track down each individual source. It is not a source by itself but it does gather and, importantly, cite the sources for all the information it has listed. If you remember reading that Leafpool has a white chest and paws but don't see it listed in the allegiances, you can go to the wiki and scroll over the handy citation to see exactly where that information came from, in this case a specific page of a specific book. Likewise, if the information you're looking at is cited as being from a facebook post or letter dated back to 2012, you can learn that and judge for yourself how much the source holds up. The issue isn't that the wiki includes information like this; that is its best attribute as a site. The issue is just the same as what your teachers may have said for wikipedia: the Warriors wiki itself is not a source, and you need to look at their sources to know how credible your information is. It can become an issue, then, when analysis, stories, animation, discussion, and otherwise from the fandom use the information without critically looking into or sharing where that information came from beyond “the wiki,” as it spreads this information to people who won't take the time to look up every piece of information they heard mentioned by another fan and causes random debunked ideas from a decade back to be settled as truth in the fandom consciousness. That, though, is still far better than what else we know to be happening with the wiki: the Warriors website and even the published material using the wiki as its source. The Warriors website doesn't cite sources for anything, but it does uncritically take family tree elements among other things from the information on the wiki without noticing that, for instance, those facts came from a source that was decanonized years ago, or that it came from an author statement made on a whim before the author in question realized the relationships she had already established. We also have concrete proof at this point both from an accidental citation left in on a book's preview and from previous author statements that the Erin Hunter team themselves uses the wiki when writing the books which…yeah they really should not be doing that. Even when they don't pull directly from the wiki, though, they have spent the past several years randomly retconning in familial relationships with the seeming goal of making the Website's family tree truly canon, and the family tree itself does pull from the wiki. And now, of course, the wiki has replaced many of its previous citations to long-gone author statements with citations to the Website family tree, which itself drew from the wiki, creating a cyclical citation hellscape that prevents anyone from really telling where some of this information originated. It's just a mess, one we as fans don't have much or any power over, but we can at least control how we talk about the wiki's sources and do our best to cite our own sources properly when we spread information. Finally, and on a much lighter note, we can talk about fan works such as fanart, animations, maps, fanfiction, spoofs, and other such works of creativity. These can be inspired by just about every other category depending on what the creator or creators have chosen and can also heavily feature original ideas to differentiate, improve, or refocus a story or to tell a whole new story in a similar Warriors world. It is usually well known that these don't have to be heavy on canonical fact so far fewer people go into them assuming they know the original story from the fan work alone, but they do still give some people their only ideas of the Warriors world and can therefore be very influential to the fandom consciousness. In addition, like any source that skews closer to canon, it can be discussed, joked about, provoke discourse, or spark ideas of what the original works were that can then be carried on into canonical discussions later. And with a fandom as creative and vast as ours, we can't set aside the numerous people whose ideas about the series come exclusively from our creative communities. Given all the information we have, and all the places it comes from, I think it's safe to say we need to understand what the pipeline of information is and where we get our information before we argue using it or assume we know the full story. I don't think it's a bad idea to use the wiki or to watch animations, far from it, but it is important to look for the sources those platforms and creators were inspired by…and to not trust anything on the Website's family tree that contains no citations. The Website assumes it is the source because it's officially licensed, but in a series with an information pipeline as tangled as this, it needs to be clear where information comes from so we can decide how important it is. Things that came from an author statement 15 years ago shouldn't hold much weight, and if they didn't keep making their way through the information pipeline to be canonized haphazardly in the books so much later, I'm sure they wouldn't. When you look at an image, or a cat description, check the sources to see which parts are known in their design and which parts are up for discussion due to contradictions or not being listed at all. When you hear someone say something about a recent book, you can use the summary, ideally multiple, to decide whether or not to read it, but if you choose not to, be aware of what you don't know and what discourse you are genuinely capable of commenting on. When you hear a comment made offhandedly about a character, look that character back up and see if what was said about them is true, or a rumor passed over and over down the pipeline. There are numerous fandom myths that, seriously, countless people will swear to you they have seen in the books when, in reality, it was made in an author statement 12 years ago, or only brought up as a joke or a hypothetical in a fan discussion around the same time. Hopekit and Wishkit are still not names ever mentioned in the books, for example, no matter how many times anyone insists they are. Just be critical, and know the series you are dealing with. You don't have to know every intricacy of every piece of material in the pipeline because… well, who could? But know this is what we are working with, and be aware of what you don't know. Thank you for watching, and always remember to do what your English teachers told you: cite your sources when making persuasive arguments.
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