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  • AMNA NAWAZ: Good evening.

  • I'm Amna Nawaz.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: And I'm Geoff Bennett.

  • On the "NewsHour" tonight: The House intelligence chairman issues an urgent warning about a

  • national security threat and calls on the White House to declassify the information.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: The political fallout from the historic impeachment of Homeland Security

  • Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: And in this consequential election year, Judy Woodruff visits a mock presidential

  • convention to hear what college-age voters think about the candidates and the nation's

  • deep divisions.

  • ROBERT MISH, Student, Washington and Lee University: I think there's a spotlight on that polarization

  • now, and people are kind of opening their eyes and being like, wow, is this healthy

  • for our country?

  • (BREAK)

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Welcome to the "NewsHour."

  • One person is dead tonight and up to 15 hurt after Kansas City's Super Bowl victory parade

  • ended in a burst of gunfire.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: It's unclear how many of the injured have gunshot wounds, but police say

  • two suspects were arrested.

  • A sea of red and gold had flooded the city's downtown as players paraded on double-decker

  • buses.

  • Then shooting broke out near the scene and people in the crowd, including the mayor,

  • started running.

  • WOMAN: All of a sudden, people started crushing forward.

  • Everybody started running.

  • There was screaming.

  • We didn't know what was happening, but, in this day and age, when people run, you run.

  • And so I put my arms around her, and we tried to push through, so people wouldn't run on

  • top of us.

  • And there was a woman crying, saying something about somebody had been shot.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: The Chiefs said their players were already on buses heading back to their

  • stadium when the shooting started.

  • Police had no initial details on what the motive might have been.

  • In the day's other headlines: Ukraine's military announced it attacked and sank a Russian worship

  • in the Black Sea using naval drones.

  • It happened a few miles off the coast of Crimea near Alupka.

  • Russia annexed that peninsula back in 2014.

  • The Ukrainians released night-vision video purportedly showing an explosion that blew

  • a hole in the side of the amphibious landing ship.

  • The vessel could then be seen turned on its side.

  • It's the second time in two weeks that Ukraine has claimed it sank a Russian ship.

  • Family members of Israeli hostages urged prosecutors at the International Criminal Court today

  • to go after Hamas leaders.

  • They argued that heads of the group should be charged and arrested for genocide and other

  • crimes in the October 7 attacks in Southern Israel.

  • At a rainy news conference at The Hague, the hostage relatives demanded accountability

  • and justice for those still held in Gaza.

  • YAMIT ASHKENAZI, Sister of Israeli Hostage: The world must wake up.

  • The world needs to know that my sister is in a tunnel somewhere cold and hungry, without

  • medication, and exposed to sexual violence for 131 days.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: The court's chief prosecutor says he's already investigating alleged crimes

  • committed by both sides in the war.

  • Here at home, New York's highest court heard Harvey Weinstein's appeal today of his landmark

  • rape conviction.

  • The former movie mogul's case came at the dawn of the MeToo movement.

  • His lawyers argue that Weinstein was denied a fair trial because the judge succumbed to

  • intense pressure to make an example of him.

  • He's currently serving a 23-year sentence in state prison.

  • Thousands of Uber and Lyft drivers staged a Valentine's Day strike across the U.S. and

  • Britain today.

  • Workers in Chicago and elsewhere hit the picket lines demanding better pay, benefits and working

  • conditions.

  • They also rallied outside major airports to voice their frustration.

  • JOCILYN FLOYD, Uber Driver: Uber has proven time and time again that they're putting profits

  • over people, right?

  • In shareholder meetings, they discuss profits.

  • There's no question about safety, protection from deactivation or compensation.

  • Drivers have been losing money for years.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: The one-day strike was time to cut into Valentine's traffic tonight, but

  • Uber said it does not expect the walkout to have much impact.

  • And, on Wall Street, stocks recovered from Tuesday's sell-off.

  • The Dow Jones industrial average gained 151 points to close at 38424.

  • The Nasdaq rose 203 points, and the S&P 500 added 47.

  • Still to come on the "NewsHour": a former general linked to human rights abuses claims

  • victory in Indonesia's presidential election; amid concerns about Biden and Trump's age,

  • experts weigh in on how getting older affects our memory; and Judy Woodruff speaks with

  • young voters about the divisive political climate in this election year.

  • It was a rare alarming public statement.

  • One of the handful of members of Congress with the most access to America's secrets

  • warned today of a -- quote -- "serious national security threat."

  • Congressional leaders have since described it as a -- quote -- "serious, but not urgent

  • matter."

  • Still, the warning rattled Washington and beyond, as U.S. officials at the same time

  • worked to find at least a pause to the war in Gaza.

  • Nick Schifrin is here following all of these developments and joins us now.

  • So, Nick, what do we know about this national security threat?

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: Two officials confirmed to me that Russia recently showcased a new capability

  • in space, Geoff.

  • That is what this threat is all about.

  • Russia regularly launches space -- has space launches.

  • You see one right there.

  • And the officials describe that Russia recently launched a new anti-satellite capability,

  • meaning a satellite that can attack other satellites.

  • The officials tell me that this satellite, which is possibly nuclear-powered, has an

  • electronic warfare capability to target American satellites that are essential for U.S. military

  • and civilian communication.

  • Now, that public statement that you just referred to right there was from Mike Turner, the chairman

  • of the House Intelligence Committee.

  • You see him right there.

  • He is a voice for stronger national security, especially for Ukraine, which itself right

  • now is facing serious threats from Russian electronic warfare.

  • And, of course, this comes as members in the House, especially in the Republican Caucus,

  • are resisting some support for Ukraine against Russia in the ongoing war there.

  • After this statement was released by Turner, Jake Sullivan, the national security adviser,

  • acknowledged that he was actually supposed to brief Turner and others tomorrow about

  • this matter.

  • The Intelligence Committees had this intelligence about two to three weeks ago, according to

  • the officials I speak to.

  • And they say that, while it is very, very important, it is not in any way imminent,

  • as we heard Speaker of the House Mike Johnson admit today.

  • REP.

  • MIKE JOHNSON (R-LA): Last month, I sent a letter to the White House requesting a meeting

  • with the president to discuss a serious national security issue that is classified.

  • I want to assure the American people there is no need for public alarm.

  • We are going to work together to address this matter, as we do all sensitive matters that

  • are classified.

  • And, beyond that, I'm not at liberty to disclose classified information and really can't say

  • much more.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: No public alarm, Geoff, but, clearly, a concern that the U.S. has had for

  • a long time about Russia's anti-satellite capabilities is clearly much higher with this

  • new capability.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: All right.

  • Well, let's shift our focus to the Israel-Hamas war, which you're also tracking.

  • Israel's prime minister appeared to take a hard line in negotiations that would pause

  • the war to allow for the release of some Israeli hostages.

  • What's the latest there?

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: Netanyahu today repeated his hard line that he has said multiple times,

  • one, that there needs to be military pressure on Hamas in Southern Gaza in order to make

  • any progress on hostages.

  • And he also again called Hamas' demands when it came to the hostages -- quote -- "delusional."

  • And so where we are is that Israel continues to have the hard line.

  • But U.S. officials privately say that Netanyahu is allowing progress to be made on the hostage

  • deal and that negotiations are ongoing, especially after a meeting yesterday in Cairo with Israeli

  • U.S. spy chiefs and other diplomats.

  • And so this is where we are on the hostage deal.

  • As we recall, two weeks ago, Israel agreed to a plan negotiated by the U.S., Qatar and

  • Egypt to an initial six-week pause with three phases of hostage releases and three phases

  • of pauses in the war.

  • Hamas' counterproposal last week required an Israeli withdrawal from cities first and

  • then from all of Gaza.

  • Israel interpreted that as Hamas remaining in power.

  • So where are we publicly?

  • Netanyahu takes a hard line, and that helps him keep pressure militarily on Hamas, which

  • the U.S. does believe helps in these hostage negotiations.

  • It also helps relieve pressure on Netanyahu within his own government, because, of course,

  • his own coalition among the right wing, they don't want him to stop this war, and they

  • don't want him to make a deal that would release hostages if it means the end of the war before

  • Hamas is destroyed.

  • So the bottom line, U.S. officials will believe that Netanyahu will allow progress to be made

  • on the hostages as he threatens an assault on Rafah.

  • That is the city in Southern Gaza where 1.3 million Gazans have fled.

  • And the question tonight is, will Netanyahu allow more progress to be made first, or will

  • there be an assault on Rafah?

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Yes.

  • Well, bring us up to speed on Israel's effort in terms of taking out Hamas' leadership.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: So, the target in Rafah right now, Geoff, is what Israel calls the final

  • four battalions of Hamas' military capacity.

  • The target in Khan Yunis, where Israel has been fighting ferociously for weeks, is underground.

  • And that is the tunnels where Israel believes the leadership of Hamas is hiding.

  • And Israel released yesterday this video that it says shows the leader of Hamas, Yahya Sinwar,

  • who walked out there, right there -- you see that, that's an Israeli animation there -- walking

  • out with his family, with his children, and with his wife underneath a tunnel in Khan

  • Yunis on October the 10th.

  • And what Israel says is that Yahya Sinwar was surrounded by millions of dollars, as

  • well as civilians.

  • But above ground, in Khan Yunis, Israel continues the assault.

  • Today, it ordered the evacuation of Nasser Hospital.

  • And just this afternoon, Doctors Without Borders today criticized that evacuation order, saying

  • that -- quote -- "The people inside have nowhere to go."

  • Either they become an Israeli target in the hospital or enter a -- quote -- "apocalyptic

  • landscape outside of it."

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Nick Schifrin, thanks so much for that reporting.

  • We appreciate it.

  • NICK SCHIFRIN: Thank you.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas became the first presidential Cabinet

  • member to report to work the day after getting impeached.

  • House Republicans eked out exactly the votes they needed to pass the articles in a 215-214

  • vote.

  • Lisa Desjardins joins me now to help us understand what comes next and why Republicans will soon

  • have even more difficulty passing their agenda.

  • So, Lisa, let's start with impeachment, another rare moment in U.S. history.

  • What happens now?

  • LISA DESJARDINS: OK, let's talk about here.

  • A reminder of what was passed by -- narrowly, the most narrow margin possible in the House,

  • last night.

  • The impeachment articles, there are two.

  • House Republicans in these articles accuse Secretary Mayorkas of two things.

  • They say willful and systemic refusal to comply with the law and breach of public trust.

  • As you read the 20 pages of the articles, really, what they're accusing him of is a

  • litany of grievances about the border crisis itself.

  • There has not been any direct evidence that he himself went out of his way to make sure

  • that laws were broken.

  • And we know that some Border Patrol associations have said, in fact, they think things have

  • gotten better.

  • Not everyone agrees with that.

  • But this will be a question going forward for the Senate.

  • The other public trust breach was Republicans say he lied to Congress.

  • He says, no, that was a semantic argument over whether the border is, in fact, something

  • that is secure or not.

  • So, OK, let's talk about what's next.

  • That's where we're at.

  • This will move to the Senate.

  • It will move to the Senate in about two weeks.

  • Here's the timeline.

  • February 26, the managers appointed by Republicans will carry the impeachment articles over to

  • the Senate.

  • Then, the next day, senators will be sworn in as jurors for this potential trial.

  • Now, here's what's interesting, Amna.

  • The Democrats and Leader Schumer's office believe that there could be other options

  • here to either hold a short trial or move to dismiss this altogether.

  • This is an area of constitutional law that we don't encounter a lot.

  • What might be important here is where Senate Republicans are, of course.

  • They tell me they do not think this is a serious impeachment effort.

  • There are some who will.

  • But the majority of them, including Senator James Lankford, who was working on border

  • security, told me they're not taking this seriously.

  • They don't think this reaches the bar for impeachment.

  • So I think right now we're looking at either a very short trial or potentially an attempt

  • at no trial at all.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: All this comes, of course, after Republicans, thanks to a special election

  • in New York last night, have an even tighter margin they're working with in the House.

  • How is that going to impact things in Congress?

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Well, the margin, as you say, is tight, and they will lose one vote.

  • So this means that House Republicans will not be able to spare really more than three

  • votes.

  • And depending on the attendance, even fewer than that, once Tom Suozzi is brought -- is

  • sworn in, the former rep winning last night.

  • We expect him to be sworn in February 28, as we see all that impeachment activity going

  • on in the Senate.

  • Now, he said he won -- this is notably -- notable -- not just because of his -- the fact that

  • he's been in the district for a while, but because of border issues themselves.

  • REP.-ELECT TOM SUOZZI (D-NY): This race was centered on immigration and the economy, much

  • like the issues all across our country.

  • We won this race.

  • We, you won this race.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Democrats are very happy.

  • He won the race, whoever is responsible.

  • Now, I don't think they believe that this tells them everything about November, but

  • I think both sides today expectations have shifted in the House, Republicans and Democrats

  • telling me now that they think that Democrats more likely to pick up the House this fall.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: All of that brings us, of course, to the two biggest issues before Congress

  • right now, the Ukraine aid bill and border security funding.

  • Both are now in the hands of that House.

  • What's your reporting on whether we're going to see action either of those?

  • LISA DESJARDINS: A lot to talk about here.

  • As we have been talking to viewers about, all of this has sort of surrounded House Republicans

  • and that narrow margin, but yet them insisting that they get what they want.

  • House Republicans initially offered a very conservative bill called H.R.2 on the border.

  • The Senate rejected that, didn't take it up.

  • And then House Speaker Johnson, as we have been saying, and others demanded that border

  • and Ukraine be put together.

  • Then Speaker Johnson turned around and also said, no, I won't accept the compromise in

  • the Senate.

  • So I asked Speaker Johnson today, you have said you will not take up either the border

  • package with Ukraine or the Ukraine package without it.

  • What is it you, Speaker Johnson, are doing on either of those issues?

  • Here's what he responded.

  • REP.

  • MIKE JOHNSON (R-LA): So what we're doing right now is, we -- the House is working its will.

  • The House Republican Conference, we just met an hour ago with all the members, and there

  • are lots of ideas on the table of how to address these issues.

  • We will address the issues.

  • We will do our duty on that matter.

  • And all that begins in earnest right now.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Amna, he ended the news conference right after that.

  • I did not hear a specific answer.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Meanwhile, U.S. officials, the administration, argue that Ukraine aid is

  • critical.

  • What are we hearing from them?

  • LISA DESJARDINS: They are trying to signal to Ukraine, hang in there.

  • Here's what we heard from Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin today.

  • LLOYD AUSTIN, U.S. Secretary of Defense: The outcome of Ukraine's fight against Putin's

  • imperial aggression will help define global security for decades.

  • And for people of principle and governments of conscience, standing aside while Ukraine

  • fights for its very existence is not an option.

  • Ukraine will not surrender, and neither will we.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Those are very strong words.

  • However, there is not yet an option in Congress that will clearly get through to fund Ukraine.

  • There is a majority support in both chambers.

  • It's a needle that needs to be thread.

  • Congress has a time issue here.

  • We're going to be watching closely.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: A lot of important issues stuck in Congress right now.

  • Lisa, we're so glad you're covering them all.

  • Lisa Desjardins, thank you so much.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: You're welcome.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: To discuss the divides in the House over how to handle aid to Ukraine and

  • the border, I'm joined now by Republican Congresswoman Beth Van Duyne of Texas.

  • Congresswoman, welcome to the "NewsHour."

  • Thank you for joining us.

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE (R-TX): Thank you very much.

  • Appreciate you having me on.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: I want to begin with where Lisa Desjardins left off there and the Ukraine

  • aid effort moving forward.

  • You have talked before about the need for Ukraine aid.

  • They will soon reach a point where they can no longer defend themselves against Russia

  • without additional aid.

  • Are you worried, the longer this takes, with the Republican House and the House now crafting

  • their own bill, the more at risk you're putting Ukraine and the more you're empowering Vladimir

  • Putin?

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: I think, if we were interested in helping Ukraine, we would have done it

  • at the beginning of the war, instead of waiting for so long.

  • Yes, that has to be a concern.

  • But our main concern right now is making sure that we're crafting a good bill, a solid bill,

  • a bill that's not going to put us any further into debt, and a bill that is prioritizing

  • what's the important thing to most Americans right now, which is the border.

  • So we want to make sure that, whatever we are doing, we're making -- it's not just making

  • Ukraine safe, but we have to have America safe.

  • And when we look at the disaster that has happened in the last three years at our border,

  • we have got to prioritize that.

  • We're hearing that from Americans all across the country.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: I want to ask you about the border piece in just a moment.

  • But, specifically on Ukraine, how worried are you, again, that the longer this takes,

  • the more at risk Ukraine is?

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: And again, we don't -- we would like to be able to move faster.

  • I think there's questions that a number of Republicans have asked, including what the

  • strategy looks like, what's the timeline, what is the commitment, what is -- what does

  • winning look like.

  • I think those are still decisions that are being made, and we're still negotiating.

  • So, again -- and we would like to go faster.

  • But until those questions are answered, I think you're -- you want to make sure that

  • you have a thoughtful bill and that you're just not rushing on -- because we're putting

  • into the time frame of being between a rock and a hard place.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: You mentioned wanting to see those border provisions in another bill as well.

  • I should note that the Senate did pass a bipartisan bill that had border provisions in it, before

  • Senate Republicans backed away from that, and then just a Ukraine and a foreign aid

  • bill moved through the Senate.

  • But you're from Texas.

  • You know the challenges at the border.

  • Part of this global migration trend we have been seeing, we're seeing in the U.S. too.

  • When it comes to solving the border crisis, though, Congresswoman, why vote to impeach

  • the homeland security secretary, rather than back a bipartisan bill that actually had some

  • very conservative immigration reforms in it?

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: So, I want to be clear.

  • The Senate did not pass that bill.

  • That bill never came out of the Senate to go to the House.

  • So it was never...

  • (CROSSTALK)

  • AMNA NAWAZ: The border bill did not, correct.

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: It did not.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: It was just foreign aid that came out.

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: Correct.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Yes.

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: Correct.

  • So we never saw a Senate bill.

  • We saw some text of what was being decided at the Senate side, but it never came over

  • to the House.

  • The House did send over a very strong bill in H.R.2 that had the provisions that codified

  • what the Trump administration put in place, specifically, the remain-in-Mexico policy.

  • It was ending catch-and-release.

  • It was fortifying the relationships between Immigration and Customs Enforcement and local

  • law enforcement and state law enforcement.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: If I may, Congresswoman, as you know, the Senate did not take that bill up.

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: Correct.

  • Correct.

  • And that's what I'm saying.

  • You asked what the House is doing to be able to look at border, what has to happen.

  • And I think what has to happen is, that bill needs to be taken up.

  • H.R.2 needs to be taken up.

  • I think, if the Democrats and the Senate were serious about border security, they would

  • look at the provisions that were in that bill, they would recognize that this is not just

  • a thoughtful bill, but this is a bill that is based on solutions that had worked in the

  • past.

  • The part of the Senate bill that was -- we really did not think was -- it was going to

  • be dead on arrival was the allowance of 5,000 to 8,500 people, illegal immigrants coming

  • into our country a day.

  • Under the Biden administration, we have seen record numbers.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Congresswoman, if I may, actually, the automatic trigger to shut down the border

  • was when it actually reached the threshold of 5,000 a day...

  • (CROSSTALK)

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: Actually, the 5,000 -- yes, that's not actually -- that's not accurate.

  • It was on 5,000 on average for a seven-day period, for a week period, but it was 8,500

  • in one single day.

  • So, if you do the math, it's nearly two million people coming over a year.

  • (CROSSTALK)

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Recently, we have been seeing those numbers.

  • The border would have been shut down had that kind of automatic trigger been in place.

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: So, had they been looking at H.R.2, what we saw under H.R.2, when those

  • policies were in place, was less than 1,000 people coming in over our border every day,

  • as opposed to 5,000.

  • If they just were to take the policies that the Biden administration from day one took

  • off the table, we could already have had a secure border and we would not see the ridiculous,

  • record numbers of people coming into our border every day and what we have seen since the

  • Biden administration took over.

  • But you asked the question about Mayorkas and why it was necessary to impeach him.

  • The American people want to make sure that we are holding these folks accountable.

  • When you have seen 10 million -- actually, I learned today from Chad Wolf it's over 11

  • million people have come into our country illegally in the last three years.

  • When you look at the deaths as a result of fentanyl coming in, over 110,000 dead Americans,

  • five dead Texans every single day as a result of this coming over our border, we have got

  • to get serious about border security and about...

  • (CROSSTALK)

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Congresswoman, if I may.

  • I'm sorry.

  • I apologize for the interruption.

  • I'm not sure about the 11 million number or the source for that.

  • That's not what we have seen lining up with Border Patrol numbers.

  • And, also, as I'm sure you have noted before and seen before...

  • (CROSSTALK)

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: Yes, we had a briefing today.

  • Yes, we had a briefing today with Chad Wolf, and that was the number that he had quoted.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Fentanyl largely comes in through legal ports of entry and is -- the majority

  • of it is brought in by American citizens, not from...

  • (CROSSTALK)

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: And I know.

  • And we say that, because that's what we're catching.

  • We're catching the drugs that are coming over through legal -- through our ports of entry.

  • But the fact is, we have absolutely no idea how much of that drug is coming through illegally

  • that we don't catch.

  • And I think it's a huge leap of assumption that we're saying, oh, no, it's only being

  • brought in by Americans and it's only being brought in at ports of entry.

  • That's absolutely incorrect.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Well, these are U.S. government and Border Patrol numbers, figures and characterizations.

  • (CROSSTALK)

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: Yes, but that's absolutely -- it's only catching what's coming through

  • those ports of entry.

  • (CROSSTALK)

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Which is the vast majority of the fentanyl coming into the country right

  • now.

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: But you have no idea.

  • But that's the problem, is, you don't know.

  • You don't know.

  • We're assuming that the getaways that are coming through, that that's -- they're not

  • being caught.

  • So the answer is we really have no idea how much it's coming in that we're not even seeing.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Congresswoman, can I ask you?

  • Immigration has obviously become a leading campaign concern and an issue for former President

  • Donald Trump.

  • But we know that he didn't want Republicans to back any kind of deal and not to give President

  • Biden a so-called win.

  • Is it fair to say that Donald Trump is calling the shots on what Republicans in Congress

  • will or won't do right now?

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: Not that I'm aware of.

  • I never got a phone call from the president asking me not to support a bill.

  • I think what we want is our border secure.

  • And what we saw from the bill that was coming out of the Senate is, it was going to normalize

  • the record rates of people coming over.

  • It was going to further incentivize people coming over by giving them work permits.

  • It would not have secured our border.

  • It would not have prevented illegal immigration.

  • It would only have made the problem worse.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: Republican Congresswoman Beth Van Duyne from Texas joining us tonight.

  • Congresswoman, thank you for your time.

  • We appreciate it.

  • REP.

  • BETH VAN DUYNE: Thank you very much.

  • Appreciate it.

  • Thank you.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Former Indonesian general Prabowo Subianto declared himself the winner of Indonesia's

  • presidential election today.

  • Though the final vote count is still pending, exit polling showed he had a huge lead.

  • He addressed cheering supporters after the polls closed.

  • PRABOWO SUBIANTO, Presumed Indonesian President-Elect (through translator): Even though we are grateful,

  • we must not be arrogant.

  • We must not be arrogant.

  • (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

  • PRABOWO SUBIANTO (through translator): We must not be euphoric.

  • We still have to be humble.

  • This victory must be a victory for all Indonesian people.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Prabowo now serves as defense minister under the outgoing president, Joko

  • Widodo.

  • During the country's authoritarian regime, Prabowo was accused of major human rights

  • abuses, including overseeing the abduction of democracy activists, accusations that led

  • to a U.S. travel ban.

  • Indonesia is now the world's third largest democracy.

  • It's a majority-Muslim nation spread out across 3,500 miles and 17,000 islands.

  • It sits at a crucial pivot point between China and the U.S. in the Indo-Pacific region.

  • For more on the significance of this moment, we turn to Ben Bland, director of the Asia-Pacific

  • Program at Chatham House.

  • That's a think tank based in the U.K.

  • Thank you for being with us.

  • So, Prabowo Subianto, as we mentioned, a former army general linked to human rights abuses,

  • he won, with the hugely popular current president's son running as his vice president.

  • Tell us more about these men and what their elections suggest about Indonesia's future.

  • BEN BLAND, Chatham House: Well, it's a remarkable result really for someone with a checkered

  • track record, as you rightly highlighted, but someone who's shown remarkable persistence.

  • So, after he was dismissed from the military in 1998, Prabowo entered the kind of new democratic

  • politics in post-reform Indonesia.

  • And he's tried multiple times to get the presidency, including two really bitterly fought contests

  • against the current president, Jokowi, as he's known, which Prabowo lost.

  • And then Jokowi appointed him his defense minister to sort of bring him into the tent,

  • as it were, and that eventually led to this unofficial alliance, where Jokowi's son became

  • Prabowo's V.P.

  • candidate.

  • And Prabowo has really ridden on the back of Jokowi -- Jokowi's incredible popularity

  • to finally make, it seems, into the presidential palace.

  • And I think the appeal was in part his own kind of strongman, tough guy image, but that

  • wasn't enough.

  • It was really the implicit backing of Jokowi, whose economic reforms, his economic growth

  • that he's achieved in Indonesia has made him really, really popular with approval ratings

  • of something like 80 percent at the end of his second term, which is something that most

  • U.S. presidents would kill for.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: And, as I mentioned, their victory is raising questions about this country's

  • -- that country's commitment to democratic values.

  • Indonesia is now the world's third largest democracy.

  • And it's a democracy that was hard-won after the Suharto regime.

  • So what does their election suggest about democracy and human rights moving forward

  • there?

  • BEN BLAND: Well, I think there were real concerns that, under Jokowi, while his economic policies

  • were quite popular, some of the checks and balances in Indonesia's democracy were eroded.

  • And that's concerning.

  • And when you kind of hand the levers of a system that's been weakened somewhat to a

  • character like Prabowo, that understandably makes a lot of Indonesian human rights activists

  • incredibly nervous.

  • But I think the important thing to understand is, firstly, most the Indonesians who voted

  • for Prabowo did it because they want him to lead their democracy.

  • They don't want him to dismantle it.

  • And the second thing to understand, I think, is that while there are concerns about democratic

  • erosion or backsliding, that's not unique to Indonesia.

  • We have seen similar problems in the U.S., in Europe and elsewhere in the world.

  • And Indonesia still has a highly decentralized system.

  • There still are a lot of channels for opposition in the Parliament, through the media, through

  • civil society.

  • And democracy isn't just about elections.

  • It's about what you do afterwards.

  • So, I think this battle over power and influence in Indonesia's system is going to continue

  • even if Prabowo is confirmed as the president.

  • That's not the end of the story.

  • I think there's a lot of fight to come.

  • Plus, we have to acknowledge that Prabowo does seem to suggest that he's a changed character.

  • And, ultimately, in the end, it was democracy that's allowed him, it seems, to get the top

  • job.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: In the minute we have left, Ben Bland, this is a region, of course, where

  • the U.S. and China have been on a collision course over Taiwan and a host of other issues.

  • What are the stakes here?

  • What are the stakes for U.S. interests in the Indo-Pacific?

  • BEN BLAND: Well, Indonesia is a really, really important nonaligned country.

  • So it's never going to have an alliance with the United States, even though it has quite

  • close military cooperation.

  • It's also not going to be an ally of China, which doesn't have its own allies in any case.

  • But it's a really influential country in terms of the security in the region, in terms of

  • technology, the future of electric vehicles.

  • A lot of key minerals are mined in Indonesia.

  • So the decisions (AUDIO GAP) they work with, whether they use U.S. technology or Chinese

  • technology, are going to have a really big impact on this broader competition.

  • And precisely because Indonesia won't ally with either side, it's a really important

  • country, where all sides want to get more influence in different ways.

  • And Indonesia wants to kind of fiercely defend its independence and try and play off the

  • U.S. and China against each other for its own sort of maximum economic benefits.

  • But I think that's going to get harder and harder in a world where U.S. (AUDIO GAP) is

  • increasingly intense, and there will be pressure on countries such as Indonesia to make many,

  • many difficult choices.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: Ben Bland, director of the Asia-Pacific Program at Chatham House, thanks

  • for your time this evening.

  • BEN BLAND: Thanks.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: As America braces for a rematch between President Joe Biden and former President

  • Donald Trump, the ages of both men are troubling voters in this election year.

  • Laura Barron-Lopez looks at the questions many have around aging, memory and the presidency.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Amna, age is much more than just a number for both President Biden

  • and former President Trump.

  • It's a potential political liability.

  • We're going to focus on some of the questions people have.

  • But, first, we're going to hear from some older Americans, voters who are 70 and above,

  • to get their perspective on this moment and what amounts to an ongoing national conversation

  • about age.

  • DANIEL CABRERA, California: My name is Dan Cabrera.

  • I live in Southern California, and I am 71 years old.

  • And neither candidate really has got it together, in my view.

  • They both have serious shortcomings when it comes to their clarity, their intellect.

  • DENNIS TAYLOR, Montana: So I'm Dennis Taylor.

  • I live in Helena, Montana, and I'm 77 years old.

  • The whole thing that we're talking about in this election is a number between, what, 77

  • -- that's my age, the same as Donald Trump -- and 81.

  • When Chuck Grassley was running for reelection at 90 for another six-year term, which his

  • voters overwhelmingly gave him, nobody said a word.

  • SUSAN WARD, North Carolina: I'm Susan Ward.

  • I live in Asheville, North Carolina, and I'm 70 years old.

  • I'm an active 70-year-old, and I wouldn't have the stamina to be president of the United

  • States.

  • And so I do think it's worth thinking about.

  • At the same time, this is what we have got.

  • MARY ALICE SHAKER, Virginia: My name is Mary Alice Shaker.

  • I live in Virginia, Richmond, Virginia, and I'm 77 years old.

  • I think President Biden is very competent and very, very knowledgeable.

  • And if he gaffes a little bit once in a while, I don't think that affects his ability.

  • For the next four years, I'm not so sure.

  • DENNIS TAYLOR: Nobody said anything about Warren Buffett or Cicely Tyson or Jane Fonda

  • or Dr. Fauci or Mick Jagger or Harrison Ford.

  • I mean, think of all the people who in their 80s and 90s contributed to the society.

  • Can you imagine saying that Martin Scorsese needs to take a test before he can do this

  • next movie?

  • DANIEL CABRERA: You can look at other major world leaders, in my view.

  • And Zelenskyy is a stellar example, Macron, Rishi from the U.K., et cetera.

  • These guys are younger, more energetic, more able, in my view, than either of the two candidates

  • we currently have as leading Republican and Democratic presidential candidates.

  • SUSAN WARD: I have seen some people list that medical cognitive test kind of requirement.

  • And, on one hand I could say, oh, that's probably a good idea, because then we'd have some more

  • information about older people running for office.

  • But, on the other hand, I think to myself, do we do that just for presidents?

  • DENNIS TAYLOR: We worry about implicit bias, where we may not know that we have certain

  • biases against certain kinds of people or stereotypes or prejudice that we may have

  • or harbor.

  • In the case of ageism, it's like an explicit bias, and everybody's cool with it.

  • MARY ALICE SHAKER: I watched with interest the Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the Dianne Feinstein,

  • and if they had only retired when they were supposed to retire, a lot of the mess we're

  • in right now wouldn't be there.

  • You have to know when it's time.

  • If I were in their shoes, I would step aside.

  • I would step aside and let younger people take over.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Following verbal stumbles on the campaign trail, polls have consistently

  • shown voters are concerned about the mental fitness of both leading presidential contenders.

  • In a recent poll, an NBC News survey found that 76 percent of voters had major concerns

  • about President Biden's physical and mental health.

  • Meanwhile, 48 percent of voters had the same major concerns about former President Trump.

  • To help us understand more about what happens to our brains as we age and for some perspective

  • on these lapses from both men, I'm joined by two experts in memory and cognition.

  • Dr. Dan Blazer is a professor emeritus of psychiatry and behavioral studies at Duke

  • University.

  • Charan Ranganath is a professor of psychology and neuroscience at the University of California,

  • Davis.

  • He's also the author of a new book releasing next week called "Why We Remember: Unlocking

  • Memory's Power to Hold on to What Matters."

  • Thank you both so much for joining us.

  • Professor Ranganath, I want to start with you.

  • As we know, President Biden is 81 years old.

  • Former President Donald Trump is 77.

  • Help us sort through what we know about what happens to cognition, brain function, and

  • memory as we age, particularly once we get over the age of 75.

  • CHARAN RANGANATH, University of California, Davis: Yes, there's actually -- it's fascinating

  • because the work has really been evolving.

  • But the basic story is, on average, memory goes down with age.

  • I don't think that's a surprise for many viewers.

  • But if you actually look at different individuals, it really varies.

  • Some people, if you track them over time, they can go into their old age and they're

  • super agers and they're fine, and other people do have a decline over time.

  • And so you really need to ask yourself what's going on with an individual person.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Last week, special counsel Robert Hur concluded no charges would be brought

  • against President Biden for his handling of classified documents.

  • But the special counsel commented on the president's memory, saying that the president couldn't

  • remember even within several years when his son Beau Biden died.

  • And then President Biden offered a stinging rebuke in response to Robert Hur.

  • But when he took a question from a reporter about Gaza, he mixed up the country of a foreign

  • leader.

  • JOE BIDEN, President of the United States: As you know, initially, the President of Mexico

  • El-Sisi, did not want to open up the gate to allow humanitarian material to get in.

  • I talked to him.

  • I convinced him to open the gate.

  • I talked to Bibi to open the gate on the Israeli side.

  • I've been pushing really hard -- really hard to get humanitarian assistance into Gaza.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: President Biden clearly meant to say the president of Egypt, not of

  • Mexico.

  • But, Dr. Blazer, do slips of memory like that signal any real deficits or an ability for

  • a person to make hard decisions?

  • DR.

  • DAN BLAZER, Duke University: I think that's the critical question.

  • First off, these types of slips are not uncommon with older persons, especially when they're

  • having to recall a number of facts in a fairly brief period of time, and also when they're

  • under the pressure of having to respond quickly and briefly to questions that are being posed.

  • That doesn't necessarily at all relate to their ability in judgment.

  • What -- another element of that judgment is something we call executive function.

  • That's ability to make judgments, to really see the big picture.

  • So, I think the bottom line for me is that you have to test these individuals in terms

  • of how well they're doing their job, not how well they may perform in a particular situation.

  • If they slip on a particular topic, forget something, I think you have to look at the

  • big picture.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Dr. Ranganath, if you watch President Biden now versus eight years

  • ago, there's no doubt that his speech is at times a little less crisp.

  • He might take some longer pauses.

  • But what can we know and what don't we know by watching him?

  • CHARAN RANGANATH: So first of all, I just want to be clear that I'm a scientist, and

  • so I can't diagnose anyone.

  • What I can say is that these verbal slips that Dr. Blazer brought up, and you said it

  • perfectly, they're not even memory slips, per se.

  • They're really difficulties, and you just get a little bit slower to come up with words,

  • and, sometimes, you're slower to catch the errors when they happen.

  • So I wouldn't even call those memory slips, per se.

  • I think, sometimes, people judge the appearance of something like that, and they think that

  • there's some memory problem, but that's not really a memory problem.

  • I know President Biden had a stutter when he was growing up, and that actually also

  • demands more executive function just to articulate.

  • So I think that might be factoring in too.

  • But, again, I totally concur with Dr. Blazer that you really need to ask these questions

  • in a real way, as opposed to just superficial observations.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: And, Dr. Blazer, Trump himself has repeatedly mixed up people as

  • well, including Nikki Haley and Nancy Pelosi, when he was talking about the January 6 insurrection.

  • DONALD TRUMP, Former President of the United States (R) and Current U.S. Presidential Candidate:

  • By the way, they never report the crowd on January 6.

  • Nikki Haley, Nikki Haley, Nikki Haley, Nikki Haley -- you know, they -- do you know they

  • destroyed all of the information, all of the evidence, everything, deleted and destroyed

  • all of it, all of it, because of lots of things.

  • Like, Nikki Haley is in charge of security.

  • We offered her 10,000 people, soldiers, National Guard, whatever they want.

  • They turned it down.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Dr. Blazer, when you watch these two men, Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, is

  • it possible at all to gauge their fitness for office?

  • DR.

  • DAN BLAZER: I think it's difficult.

  • I mean, you might look in terms of sort of the tone of what they're saying, people will

  • make judgment based on that, but in terms of their cognitive function, I think it's

  • quite difficult.

  • First off, I think, giving one test or two tests, it's just going to be totally insufficient

  • to do that.

  • You need tests that are serial over time to really determine if there really has been

  • significant deterioration.

  • But, in addition to that, you need a battery of tests.

  • And, personally, I think that what is most helpful is an honest opinion from the people

  • surrounding them who might give the type of information that would say, we believe this

  • person is actually functioning well or not.

  • In a political environment, that's going to be very difficult to obtain.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Dr. Ranganath, generally speaking, what are typical signs of cognitive

  • decline, and when does it tend to impact people and how?

  • CHARAN RANGANATH: One of the interesting things is, I have seen many, many patients with memory

  • disorders, and some of them are even on the younger side, and they can be very articulate,

  • and yet they have disabling memory disorders.

  • So, the surface looks can be deceiving.

  • But I like to say there's forgetting and there's forgetting.

  • So just in terms of lowercase forgetting, that would be the day-to-day stuff that I

  • think we all do, where you have something, and you know it's there, but you just can't

  • find it, and then maybe even a few days later, that memory pops up into your head.

  • And so in a technical term, we call that retrieval failure.

  • And so these retrieval failures are benign, but they happen a lot as you get older.

  • Now, separate from that is what I would call forgetting with a capital F. And when you

  • -- that -- by that, what I mean is that basically the memory is not there.

  • Maybe it was never formed or maybe it's just gone.

  • So, for instance, if you misstated, for instance, Egypt and Mexico, or if you had trouble remembering

  • the year that something happened, I would say, well, that's more in the benign category.

  • But if you forget that you met the president of Mexico or if you forget significant events

  • from these important times in your life, then I would say that's a real memory disorder,

  • because those are things that I would expect people to remember.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Dr. Blazer, you mentioned the political environment.

  • And there's been a lot of words thrown around this election cycle loaded with partisanship,

  • words like senile, deranged, dementia.

  • Do you think any of these have validity?

  • DR.

  • DAN BLAZER: Well, they might have validity in some context, but I'm not certain they

  • have validity here.

  • That's -- I think that's going to be one of the major challenges we see over the next

  • year.

  • And that is, people are going to throw terms around that neuroscientists, that physicians

  • are going to be -- they have used traditionally for quite different reasons than what are

  • being used in this particular situation of two candidates who are in the public eye and

  • who are being asked to make statements about situations that are complex.

  • And they have to make those statements on the spot.

  • And they're not given a chance to really correct areas that they may make.

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Professor Ranganath, is there a word of advice that you would give

  • to the public or to the press about making assumptions in this moment about memory or

  • age or verbal lapses?

  • CHARAN RANGANATH: Absolutely.

  • I think, when people hear something like a loaded term like an elderly man with a poor

  • memory, it just activates all these stereotypes that people have about aging is this inevitable

  • slide towards senescence, right?

  • There's actually a lot of abilities that remain stable or even get better with age.

  • So, for instance, knowledge, like the kind of knowledge that you would hope a president

  • would have, that remains stable or can even improve.

  • Likewise, you see things like compassion and emotion regulation that can be improving with

  • age, or at least remain stable.

  • I think a lot of what people judge is based on surface characteristics that are dominated

  • by confidence or by physical presence, rather than the more substantive issues.

  • '

  • LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Dan Blazer of Duke University and Charan Ranganath of U.C.

  • Davis, thank you so much for your time.

  • DR.

  • DAN BLAZER: You're welcome.

  • CHARAN RANGANATH: Thanks for having me.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: The winner of the Republican primary won't be officially decided until the party's

  • convention this July.

  • But this past weekend, in the small town of Lexington, Virginia, nearly 2,000 college

  • students held a convention of their own.

  • Judy Woodruff visited the conference to speak with young Republicans and Democrats about

  • their views on politics in America during this unusual primary season.

  • It's all part of her ongoing series America at a Crossroads.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Despite looking like a wild party, this raucous parade in Lexington, Virginia,

  • kicked off one of the most accurate political prediction projects in the country, Mock Con,

  • a simulated convention students at Washington and Lee University have put on every four

  • years for over a century.

  • As the students put their creativity and passion on display with floats for each of the 50

  • states and U.S. territories, some of the biggest names in the Republican Party descended on

  • their small town.

  • Donald Trump Jr.

  • DONALD TRUMP JR., Son of Donald Trump: I want to thank the support that we're seeing out

  • here, which is absolutely incredible.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Georgia Governor Brian Kemp.

  • GOV.

  • BRIAN KEMP (R-GA): So, if there has ever been a time in our country and our nation's capital

  • when we needed new ideas and fresh perspectives, it would be today.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin.

  • GOV.

  • GLENN YOUNGKIN (R-VA): Since 1948, you have been 100 percent accurate in nominating the

  • eventual Republican nominee.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: And many others.

  • The weekend was the culmination of years of preparation, with students from across the

  • political spectrum staging a presidential nominating convention of the party that doesn't

  • currently hold the White House.

  • So, this year, it was the Republicans' turn.

  • CONNOR MCNAMARA, President, Washington and Lee University Democrats: Mock Con really

  • is a, like, bipartisan organization.

  • We have a lot of liberal students and a lot of conservative students.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: On a campus that students say is roughly split between Democrats and Republicans,

  • 98 percent of them participate in Mock Con to try to accurately predict the outcome of

  • this summer's Republican National Convention, down to the delegate.

  • Connor McNamara is the president of the college Democrats.

  • CONNOR MCNAMARA: So, it's been really interesting looking at each state and each -- all the

  • polling and all the demographic information to see how that affects the race.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Just like the actual Republican primary right now, this year's Mock Con felt

  • like a foregone conclusion, as former President Trump appears to have all but sewn up the

  • nomination long before most states cast their votes.

  • MAN: It's my honor to welcome our next speaker, Donald Trump Jr.

  • DONALD TRUMP JR.: There is a reason, I can assure you, that they're trying to put my

  • father in jail for 700 years.

  • And it's not because anyone really believes January 6 was an insurrection.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: But among the students we sat down with, we found views across the spectrum

  • after they listened to this year's speakers.

  • What do you make of all the issues out there swirling around former President Trump?

  • BEAU HANCOCK, Student, Washington and Lee University: What I make of that is, what's

  • the alternative?

  • I have seen nothing but more chaos from the Biden administration, from the Trump administration.

  • Trump, yes, mean tweets.

  • He's going to say some off-color things, which isn't great.

  • But, at its core, what's better, a loudmouth president who gets things done, or a quiet,

  • politically correct president that does nothing for the American people?

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Angel Pilkey-Chevez, a self-identified Democrat, not surprisingly, disagreed.

  • ANGEL PILKEY-CHEVEZ, Student, Washington and Lee University: I think Biden has done a pretty

  • good job.

  • There are some grievances.

  • But I think he's doing a good job with what he's been given.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: The students heard different perspectives from other Republican speakers,

  • like Virginia Governor Youngkin.

  • GOV.

  • GLENN YOUNGKIN: We must come together around a nominee with universal support in order

  • to usher in a new era, not of Republicans versus Democrats, but of an unrivaled America.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: And Georgia Governor Kemp.

  • GOV.

  • BRIAN KEMP: This election should be about results, not personalities.

  • It should be about the future of our country, not a race to the bottom.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Robert Mish is a junior on Mock Con's political steering committee who

  • applauded their focus on the future.

  • ROBERT MISH, Student, Washington and Lee University: Somewhere along the line, Republicans basically

  • said we're going to try and align ourselves with Donald Trump.

  • And I don't think that's a smart strategy, but I'm constantly reminded by people like

  • Glenn Youngkin, people like Brian Kemp how Republicans can win and also appeal to the

  • middle of the country, who's not necessarily liberal or conservative, but just wants to

  • see strong, competent leadership.

  • Claire Cerone, a senior, wrote this year's Republican platform for Mock Con.

  • CLAIRE CERONE, The Republican Party platform is a dedication to the American voter.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: That process was complicated by the fact that the party hasn't actually

  • produced a platform since 2016.

  • Like many students who participated in the research from Mock Con, she had to take a

  • hard look at the party's current policy positions coming into 2024, as well as her own.

  • CLAIRE CERONE: I would say I'm more of a moderate Republican.

  • The platform language, it was just -- it's so different than anything I have ever written

  • ever, because the rhetoric is so negative.

  • And a lot of it's just like tearing down Biden and the Democrats and sort of getting at the

  • other side.

  • And it's not very, like, goal-focused or like, here's what we're going to do about X, Y and

  • Z.

  • I definitely kind of stepped away from this process maybe a little bit less Republican

  • than I was.

  • And I guess that's kind of the goal in everything you do, to learn something about yourself.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Was it a particular issue or a collection of issues?

  • CLAIRE CERONE: I kind of disagree with the party on abortion, gun rights, and some foreign

  • policy issues.

  • It was hard to write something I disagree with.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Across the country, a large majority of young Americans align themselves

  • with Democratic ideas.

  • And President Biden will need those voters to turn out this fall to hold onto the White

  • House.

  • But even among college Democrats like Pilkey-Chevez, there was something to learn from seeing and

  • studying the other side up close.

  • ANGEL PILKEY-CHEVEZ: I don't believe all Trump supporters are racist.

  • They're just very discontent.

  • And I think Democrats hear everything that's being said.

  • I don't think they listen to what's being said.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you have confidence that we can get to a place where people can have

  • disagreements, but not hate each other over it?

  • ANGEL PILKEY-CHEVEZ: For the most part, people aren't happy with the current political environment.

  • Maybe being around like all these different views this weekend with Mock Con maybe has

  • inspired me a little bit.

  • I am confident that we can push forward.

  • I think we have so many different people and so many diverse ideas.

  • I think that does make us stronger.

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Student Republicans said they too look forward to a time when the country

  • isn't so divided.

  • BEAU HANCOCK: I think the average American doesn't want to hear about politics every

  • day.

  • And so I try to surround myself with people like that, because I know that I can be annoying

  • if I'm just spewing my political views all the time.

  • ROBERT MISH: I think there's a spotlight on that polarization now and people are kind

  • of opening their eyes and being like, wow, is this healthy for the people in our country

  • to spend their lives worrying about disagreements with one another, rather than trying to focus

  • on the things that bring people together?

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Freshman Alex Kagan says he's able to maintain relationships across political

  • divides.

  • ALEX KAGAN, Washington and Lee University: I do relate more to people that have similar

  • values to me, similar life experiences, but I'm able to be friends and I have friends

  • that politically disagree with me.

  • And I think that's great.

  • DONALD TRUMP, Former President of the United States (R) and Current U.S. Presidential Candidate:

  • Respect for your school.

  • I have known a lot of people that have gone to Washington and Lee University.

  • It's a great school.

  • I hope I get your endorsement.

  • (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Despite the doubts and questions, Donald Trump got the prediction he wanted.

  • MAN: The 28th Washington and Lee University Mock Convention has nominated Donald John

  • Trump.

  • (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

  • JUDY WOODRUFF: It was a 50-state sweep.

  • As Billy Ray Cyrus brought the convention to a close, the final tally was decisive.

  • Donald Trump won all but 76 of the 2,429 delegates at stake.

  • Nikki Haley picked up 64 from seven states in the District of Columbia, Ron DeSantis

  • took nine, and Vivek Ramaswamy three, both in Iowa.

  • We will be watching come July to see how close these numbers are to the real GOP convention

  • outcome.

  • For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Judy Woodruff in Lexington, Virginia.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: And before we go, an update to our earlier reporting on today's Super

  • Bowl parade shooting.

  • Kansas City police say the number of people with gunshot wounds has risen to 22, eight

  • of whom have life-threatening injuries, and three suspects are now detained.

  • AMNA NAWAZ: And that is the "NewsHour" for tonight.

  • I'm Amna Nawaz.

  • GEOFF BENNETT: And I'm Geoff Bennett.

  • Thanks for joining us, and have a good evening.

AMNA NAWAZ: Good evening.

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