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  • - We're playing Red Dead Redemption 2,

  • a game that my good friend Ing has recommended.

  • We met in Austin, but she's now in Boston, Cambridge,

  • working on exoskeletons-

  • - And robotic limbs.

  • - And robotic limbs.

  • Which in the future, I guess would be cyborgs.

  • We started playing it a little bit ago

  • and it's way better than I imagined 'cause I thought it's-

  • - Well, the dialogue is great.

  • - But just even the dynamics of horses.

  • 'Cause I thought it was just gonna be Grand Theft Auto

  • on a horse, but there's so much more to this game.

  • - Well right now, we're in story mode.

  • If we played free play,

  • we could find a random horse and train it.

  • - Yeah, but it's cool that the horse gets tired.

  • You have to take care of it.

  • - Yes, I did. And I hope the bastards-

  • - And just the harsh conditions of snow

  • as a start of the story is incredible. Anyway.

  • - You ever ridden a horse? - Yeah.

  • (both laughing)

  • You're laughing because there's a picture of me

  • on the internet on a horse.

  • Okay, I'm not sure there's gonna be a lot of shoot,

  • is it wise to take off the gun?

  • - I don't think we have a gun.

  • (both laugh)

  • I picked up where you left off.

  • - No, why did I get off the horse?

  • - Okay, check your pockets.

  • Oh, you've got your binoculars

  • that I know you have in your pocket,

  • but the gun, I don't know.

  • I don't know if you have any weapons.

  • - What happened? What happened to our weapon?

  • - I don't know, but I wasn't here for that.

  • - All I did is played it for like five more minutes

  • and I shot the wolves that were attacking.

  • - Oh, the wolves?

  • - With the wolves.

  • - That's how you wasted all of your ammo? With the wolves?

  • - There was like five of them,

  • it was difficult to shoot down.

  • - How long did it take? You said it took you five minutes.

  • - No, it did. Yeah, it was five minutes

  • 'cause it was just one little chase,

  • but it took me like three attempts

  • 'cause I was trying to get better at aiming

  • (Ing laughs)

  • 'cause I kept killing the other guy.

  • Oh, it's a bit of a fight.

  • - Are they leaving?

  • - Seem to be. Should we go get 'em?

  • - Looks like we're about to go into combat.

  • - Anyway, I mentioned Austin.

  • Do you remember how we met? How long ago was this?

  • - It was like a year and a half ago, I think.

  • - In the summer, right?

  • - I came to visit some friends

  • and that was at a coffee shop and we ran into each other.

  • - Yeah.

  • And then since then, then when did you go to MIT?

  • That was recent, right?

  • - Very recent. That was in September.

  • It's been fun. The winter is very cold though.

  • - This is your first cold place, right?

  • - Yeah, and I love the heat.

  • Like, the Texas heat was great.

  • 96 degrees, walking on the trail. Yeah, it's nice.

  • - I love it. How do I pull out a gun?

  • (both laugh) - I don't know

  • if you have a gun. Go hold down B.

  • Oh, you have a gun. Nice.

  • - Okay. So how do you do the, you know,

  • like you can swap through the different guns you have.

  • How do you think you can flip through it?

  • No.

  • I don't need guns, I use fist, bro.

  • (Ing laughs)

  • Okay, but the revolver might be enough.

  • - Okay.

  • Approach our horse.

  • I think it's more entertaining when you play this.

  • - Because I'm so bad at it?

  • - It's just so great to watch.

  • - I mean, it's just an incredibly gorgeous game.

  • Just like the snow, the sound of it.

  • - I also put it on cinematic mode.

  • - Which does what?

  • - The views of it, it's not really first person.

  • It's not as pleasant for playing the game,

  • but it's pleasant for watching someone else play.

  • Okay, is this not my horse?

  • - Just for the record. We're both noobs at this game,

  • but it's more fun this way.

  • - Yeah.

  • Okay, horse weapons.

  • - I saw that you can skin animals.

  • There's a lot of really good- - RT to cycle.

  • Oh, there we go. - Yeah, there you go.

  • I told you. How do you,

  • How do you cycle? - RT.

  • - RT. Cool.

  • - Okay. Why do I need to go?

  • Why do I still need to do this?

  • - I remember like it was yesterday,

  • all the wolves I killed with that.

  • - Our needs right now are supplies.

  • (both laugh) - Nice twirl.

  • - Everything else, including Colm, can wait.

  • - Okay.

  • - There's enough-

  • - This guy walks really slow.

  • - To deal with as it is. Now, come on.

  • - I don't think these guys are in touch

  • with their feminine side.

  • - Why don't you think that?

  • - Just everything they're doing is like the most masculine-

  • - Their coats are pretty long.

  • - That's true.

  • - It's pretty feminine, kilt or a skirt.

  • I guess a kilt isn't-

  • - What do you think about kilts?

  • - I think they're pretty awesome.

  • (Ing laughs) I mean,

  • it's pretty aggressive to buy one, but.

  • - Yeah, if you're not Scottish.

  • - Just in general.

  • - Just sport kilt.

  • - It's just like an aggressive move,

  • but if you have one,

  • rock it. - Just walk around Boston.

  • - [Both] Yeah. - In a kilt.

  • - Like a giant coat and a kilt. I mean,

  • I don't wear a skirt in the winter.

  • - You think I can go to the gym in a kilt,

  • just work out, just do curls.

  • - That'd be kind of stinky. (Ing laughs)

  • - Will I get kicked out from like Planet Fitness

  • if I wore a kilt?

  • - I mean, well, you have to think about it this way.

  • Like, would I get kicked out of Planet Fitness

  • if I wore a skirt to the gym? Probably.

  • - I don't think they think of it that way.

  • They'll just see me in a kilt. It's like, "Excuse me, sir.

  • You're scaring"-

  • - You're scaring everyone.

  • - And you're making all kinds of sounds.

  • - You would make sounds

  • while you're wearing a kilt? - Yeah.

  • (both laugh)

  • - You have to make the sounds?

  • - Like William Wallace.

  • - Maybe I should take the lead on this.

  • - I'll paint my face blue, whatever, the stripes.

  • - Like Braveheart?

  • - Uh-huh. - Wow. Wow.

  • - It's cheesy as hell, but it's epic.

  • It's a great speech.

  • - Is it? It's a good, like, monologue?

  • - No, he does a speech where they're the underdogs

  • and they have to fight the British.

  • And he basically says like,

  • "We can run and keep our lives or we can stand here

  • and fight for our freedom."

  • And the question is, you have to imagine years from now

  • when you're in your deathbed and you're looking back,

  • would you come back here for just one more chance

  • to fight instead of fleeing? It's good speech.

  • - You gotta be brave.

  • - Yeah, sometimes you have to put your life on the line.

  • - Bravery is important.

  • I was talking to my nephew about this recently.

  • So he plays, I think it's called "Minecraft",

  • and there's zombies in the game.

  • And he knows a way of like escaping whatever conflict

  • he's in so that he doesn't have to face it.

  • And I told him that in life, it's really important to be

  • brave because you can't always run away from your problems.

  • So I think bravery is super important.

  • - What are they saying?

  • - Should I take the lead or should I send the gang?

  • - What do you mean, you have those options?

  • - I have those options.

  • - Oh, take the lead, send the gang.

  • Send the gang. Leave from the back.

  • (both laugh)

  • - Good luck.

  • - All right. Should we just?

  • Oh shoot, where are the people?

  • Oh, that's where. I didn't see the dot.

  • This screen is humongous.

  • - Yeah, it's ridiculous.

  • Should I bring the thing closer?

  • - No, it's good.

  • Oh shoot, I keep on getting shot.

  • How do I hide?

  • Oh, this is getting real.

  • Hold on, how do I crouch again?

  • - Sometimes you have to put, just like you said,

  • you have to put your life on the line.

  • (Ing laughs)

  • - It's worth it. It was worth it at the end.

  • - Retry checkpoint, don't restart the mission.

  • - That's an A? - A.

  • - Oh, you have to hold it. Nice.

  • - Yeah, because restarting the mission,

  • we're gonna go through that whole walking thing.

  • - So what is it? Is it Y, no, to take out the gun?

  • This is really hard.

  • - I know.

  • It's hard to like chat and do this.

  • - Yeah, you try it.

  • - Okay.

  • Oh.

  • - Oh shit. - That was me.

  • - That wasn't you.

  • - That was me. - Yeah, that was you meaning

  • it was animating your duck shot.

  • - Yeah, I did so good.

  • Nice.

  • No, there's no one there.

  • All right, where are the people?

  • Oh, nice.

  • Oh, where are the, who is it?

  • - I don't think there's anybody behind you.

  • (both laugh)

  • I think you- - I can't see.

  • - I think you're imagining things.

  • - Nice.

  • Oh no.

  • But I figured it out now, okay.

  • - What are we doing, Dutch?

  • - "What are we doing, Dutch?" (Ing laughs)

  • I'm, by the minute, becoming more and more of a cowboy.

  • - Thank God, we're in Texas.

  • - Where's this set? Do you know?

  • - I don't know.

  • I could look it up.

  • Oh, my phone's charging somewhere over there.

  • - I don't go down that easy.

  • - Did you hear what he said?

  • "I don't go down that easy," and you just shot him twice.

  • (both laugh)

  • - Just to prove a point.

  • Sounds like you're clean- - You need to eat.

  • - Oh, oh, oh. - I need to eat.

  • - Wait.

  • - Yeah. All right, cool. - Hold on.

  • - What am I eating? Apples?

  • - You need to-

  • - I think that sounds-

  • - How do I switch over?

  • Oh, I see. Okay.

  • - That thing.

  • - LB to use.

  • Okay, did that help?

  • - Let me see.

  • - I want to eat.

  • Oh shoot.

  • - No, no, no, no, no, no.

  • Everything's fine.

  • All right.

  • I just keep dying.

  • - Oh.

  • - What? - I restarted the mission.

  • Yeah, because restarting the mission,

  • we're gonna go through that whole walking thing.

  • (Ing giggles)

  • - That's good,

  • gives us a chance to relive

  • the incredible graphics of this video game.

  • - Going faster. Were you pressing A

  • while you were on the horse?

  • - Yeah, but not enough.

  • I haven't figured out if you can just hold it

  • or if you have to keep pressing it. It's complicated.

  • - I don't think I'm controlling it anymore.

  • - Yeah.

  • This is gorgeous.

  • - Yeah, it's really beautiful.

  • - Have you ridden horses?

  • - Yeah. I used to go to a horseback riding camp.

  • - You like it?

  • - Loved it.

  • I like horses a lot. They're very gentle.

  • They're kind of like,

  • well, they're better than dogs in a way.

  • Like, they're more loyal and they don't realize

  • how large they are.

  • - Yeah.

  • - And they're really just sweet.

  • - And people you love will die.

  • - I love horses.

  • - Some things I can forgive, others I can forget.

  • What he did to Annabelle-

  • - There's so many cliche sayings in this, it's great.

  • This is like a mix of "Grand Theft Auto" and "Skyrim"

  • because the nature scenes are beautiful.

  • It's not always winter, right?

  • - Well. I think that,

  • I remember a version where it was winter.

  • - Yeah. - Haven't played in a while.

  • - See that smoke?

  • - I'm sure the seasons change in the game.

  • - They said it was near the lake, so we must be close.

  • - Winter's brutal.

  • Like, it's crazy.

  • - So you're not enjoying like the craziness of it?

  • At least a little bit?

  • - I mean I think it's like

  • it's bonding for the people that live there.

  • - 'Cause they get to complain?

  • - Yeah, 'cause I get to complain together, but-

  • - And then you get to appreciate deeper

  • when it's actually warmer out.

  • - When it's like a different season. Yeah.

  • - Yeah, when the seasons change, like some-

  • - It is beautiful when it snows.

  • It was a weekend where it was like

  • - 11 degrees or something. It's crazy.

  • - You ever build a snowman?

  • - Once, but when I was younger. Have you?

  • - Yeah, all the time.

  • - All the time?

  • - Yeah. I used to really enjoy eating snow

  • and then people would tell me, "You shouldn't do that."

  • And I would still do it.

  • - Why did you keep doing it?

  • Just super rebellion in your-

  • - Yeah. - You couldn't live without-

  • - It tastes good.

  • - I see. It tastes good?

  • - I don't know.

  • - Do you chew on ice too?

  • - No, no. It's like, it's refreshing,

  • but I think it's probably horrible for you

  • because all kinds of stuff could be in the snow.

  • I don't think I was so much concerned about my

  • health or immune system when I was young.

  • - Probably made it stronger.

  • - Yeah, probably.

  • Because these days-

  • - They're not eating enough snow.

  • They don't know what it was like.

  • - What's the scariest thing you've ever done?

  • - Scariest?

  • - Skydiving. Do you skydive?

  • - I've gone skydiving.

  • I think probably scuba diving

  • 'cause I didn't take a class or anything

  • and I was scuba diving and we went under the water

  • and there were stingrays and it was like

  • this really weird feeling of like, this may go very wrong,

  • but I feel like the people around me are very confident,

  • so they'll take care of me if something happens.

  • - Yeah, that was the same thing for skydiving for me.

  • - Yeah.

  • - Have you ever killed a man?

  • - No, have you?

  • - Yeah. I lost count. (Ing laughs)

  • I'm really taking this game in.

  • Just the spirit of this game.

  • - Just killed many cowboys in my day.

  • - If you had the opportunity to live in this time

  • for like a year, would you?

  • - Yeah, probably.

  • - Like a vacation, but the opposite-

  • - Could I come back- - Of a vacation?

  • Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • No, you have to stay for a whole year though.

  • - Whole year, I would do it.

  • - Okay. - Yeah.

  • My lab, they do this thing where they go to Africa

  • and they help people and you stay for a month,

  • but it's like these really harsh conditions.

  • I think two of the girls that recently went,

  • they got really sick while they were there.

  • But you're helping these people

  • who don't have access to these limbs.

  • - Yeah, probably also helps you appreciate-

  • - Yeah, everything that you have access to readily.

  • - You guys are suspiciously close together.

  • - I know. We're like, "Hey."

  • (both laugh)

  • - What are you thinking about, John?

  • - Alright, let's go.

  • Wait, wait, why isn't it letting me?

  • All right. Oh, that's what it was.

  • I only had my fist.

  • (gunshots firing)

  • - O'Driscolls! You're dead, you sons of bitches!

  • (gunshots firing)

  • - Shoot.

  • Oh shoot.

  • - Nice.

  • - I really wanna get this guy.

  • Okay. All right, come on.

  • Obviously, we're not very good at this game.

  • Oh.

  • - It's kind of fun. We just keep-

  • - We just keep dying in the same, like in an eternal loop.

  • - Hey, how about this?

  • - What?

  • Yeah, A restart checkpoint, okay?

  • - Hey. (Ing laughs)

  • I'm the one that pointed that out.

  • I clicked the restart mission by accident.

  • - That's true.

  • What do you think about, like, cyborgs?

  • Do you think that in 100 years,

  • we'll all be partially robot?

  • - Yeah, I think we have to merge with technology

  • in order to like,

  • in order to evolve with it

  • because it's evolving so quickly.

  • If we don't evolve with it,

  • it's like we lose a step in evolution.

  • - Yeah.

  • - Like it's the logical next step.

  • - Including brain?

  • - Yeah.

  • BCIs and BMIs are the future.

  • - So you like the Neuralink stuff?

  • - Love it.

  • - Love it.

  • There's a lot of awesome Neuralink people here in Austin.

  • - Are there?

  • - They were saying

  • they wanted to give me a tour and meet them and stuff.

  • I really wanna meet them.

  • And the surgeon, I talked to a few surgeons,

  • they're just incredible people. I love it.

  • - Yeah.

  • - And the cool thing about Neuralink is they have all these

  • like different, how do I stop crouching?

  • - I don't know.

  • Oh, I don't know.

  • - That's fine, crouching is good.

  • It's a good look. I feel like you should be crouching-

  • - You're definitely safer.

  • - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • But you know, you look less gangster,

  • but you know, it's fine.

  • The cool thing is they got like all kinds of,

  • they got materials engineering people,

  • they got electrical, robotics,

  • obviously software engineering.

  • They have like,

  • they have to take care of the animals, that's a whole thing.

  • - Yeah, that's tough.

  • I mean, I deal with a lot of animal stuff in our lab too,

  • like with the rats.

  • The rats are a lot nicer than the mice.

  • - Oh.

  • - But I think they're dealing with monkeys, right?

  • - Yeah. No, they're doing everything.

  • They're doing mice too, I think, with the monkeys.

  • And they make them super happy.

  • And pigs too.

  • - Oh, that's wonderful.

  • - Yeah.

  • I think they have a factory opening,

  • there's like an animal zoo you can rent.

  • You can rent folks that

  • like they'll bring a bunch of animals

  • and you get to play with them.

  • - That's so cute. - It's a cool thing

  • for a party.

  • If you just order a bunch of animals,

  • you get to pet them like a goat and a bunny.

  • - You're talking about petting zoos?

  • - Yeah. But the portable,

  • like you can bring it to your party.

  • - Yeah, those exist.

  • They usually come to like children's parties.

  • - Yeah, it was awesome. (Ing laughs)

  • - Yeah, they're great.

  • - I will forever be a child.

  • Do you see any bad guys? Because-

  • - No, but I hear someone shooting.

  • - Where?

  • - I don't know. - Out there?

  • - They're shooting at someone.

  • - I feel like they're just shooting.

  • - They're shooting into distance.

  • - They're trying to look cool.

  • They're shooting for the gram.

  • I don't know.

  • - It's like you going to the gun range.

  • (Ing laughs)

  • - It's like me wearing the kilt at the gym.

  • - I think I might eat the protein bar that's in your fridge.

  • - It's like- - [Ing] Can I just have a bite

  • of it because I feel like my blood sugar's really low.

  • - Okay. It's not that good.

  • - [Ing] Is it? Does this have sugar in it?

  • - No, sadly not.

  • - [Ing] Maybe I'll drink some of that,

  • maybe it'll help me. Hold on.

  • - I killed the last of them.

  • - [Ing] The last of what, of the Powerade things?

  • - No, no, the last guy.

  • - [Ing] You did? - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • - [Ing] Okay. Let me just see.

  • - I think actually the AI in this game's pretty shitty

  • because it couldn't-

  • - [Ing] It didn't pick up?

  • - They were just shooting around,

  • they couldn't figure out what the enemy is

  • and the enemy couldn't figure out where the good guys are.

  • "And kill without thought, you're in."

  • - [Ing] Whoa. (fridge door closes)

  • Why did you buy that one?

  • - What do you mean?

  • - [Ing] That protein bar?

  • - 'Cause I went out yesterday and it was past midnight

  • and I wasn't sure where to get food.

  • - And that's when you decided to eat?

  • - Yeah, I was ambitious.

  • I got a different flavor and it was pretty good.

  • - Oh. What are they shooting at? Oh, there you go.

  • There you go.

  • (gunshots firing)

  • - Am I still shooting at somebody? Oh.

  • - Shit, there's a lot of them.

  • - What do you think, Arthur?

  • Should we hold ground here, or go at them?

  • - Advance or defend?

  • - Advance.

  • - I think you should mount a horse.

  • - Not all men truly live.

  • I should mount a horse? Why?

  • - I think it would be more fun and quicker.

  • - But you don't look as cool. Look how I'm walking.

  • - No cover, not crouching anymore.

  • - Not crouching. (Ing laughs)

  • Yeah.

  • You've made me angry. When I get angry, I don't crouch.

  • You ever play shooters, like "Call of Duty"?

  • - I'm not as into it. I like when there's a story.

  • - No. Well, "Call of Duty,"

  • like, I think there's a story mode. Like, single player.

  • - There is. There is.

  • But it's more like,

  • it's a lot of like this, but not as scenic.

  • - Yeah. Yeah.

  • It's also a little bit more military,

  • so if you're into that kind of thing.

  • I don't know which direction I'm being shot from.

  • - It doesn't show you on the map?

  • Oh, I guess not.

  • They're running away.

  • - There, I took care of everything.

  • - Thank you. (both laugh)

  • What would I do without you?

  • - I don't know.

  • - Search that building.

  • - Oh, I need to just chill with the guys, I think.

  • Oh, we're going into different buildings.

  • - All right men, quick! Find those detonators, explosives.

  • - Nice.

  • - Okay.

  • - I like the word delegating duties here.

  • That's great.

  • - I mean, if there's anything I love to do in a game,

  • it is forage and gather.

  • - That's great.

  • - You can do all of the fighting.

  • - I'm not good at fighting in this either.

  • - We're learning.

  • - This looks good.

  • What do you think, Bill?

  • - I like the we in that, it feels like a team.

  • This is great.

  • - Come on.

  • - I really thought this game would be way worse.

  • - Think so, boss?

  • - Well, you didn't like "Zelda", so I think that's why.

  • - Yeah, we should mention we played "Zelda" for a little bit

  • before and it was too,

  • it's too fun. It's too adventure.

  • It's too shallow.

  • - You like the accents in this game better?

  • (Ing laughs)

  • - Yeah, this game's gritty.

  • It's like- - Yeah.

  • - All right, let's get outta here.

  • - It feels like a movie I'd wanna watch.

  • - Not a man down.

  • - Good work, fellers.

  • - Not bad.

  • - Do you think you were a cowboy in a past life?

  • What made you decide

  • to live in Texas? - What guy would answer

  • no to that? (Ing laughs)

  • No, I was, (both laugh)

  • I was more of a carrot farmer.

  • Like some very insignificant vegetable.

  • Of course that was a,

  • no, no, you know what?

  • Not a cowboy 'cause the cowboys

  • are the good guys usually, right?

  • - I think so.

  • Or I mean- - I was a bank robber.

  • - Bank robber?

  • - Past life.

  • - So you think that like being a criminal

  • would be a lot of fun?

  • - Oh, of course he will.

  • - Yeah, I like the challenge of it. Yeah.

  • I don't like the murder,

  • but sometimes you have to do what you have to do

  • to get the job done.

  • - It's like a puzzle. (Ing laughs)

  • - I'm just speaking like a cowboy with it.

  • No. No, I think it actually would be, in this context,

  • super challenging to,

  • without hurting anybody to steal money.

  • But you're gonna hurt a lot of people-

  • - It's also very stressful.

  • - If you rob a bank in a small town at that time,

  • you're probably hurting a lot of people.

  • - You think so? You think you have to kill someone?

  • - No, I mean like financially.

  • - Oh yeah.

  • - That town is probably dependent on the bank.

  • Although like it's a really good show, "Yellowstone."

  • - Oh, that's a great show.

  • - It's a great show. - I've seen it.

  • - You've seen it? - Yeah.

  • - Good job. - There's cowboys.

  • (Ing laughs)

  • - It's more like a modern, I mean,

  • it's, you know,

  • without going into cowboys sounding cliches,

  • there's a certain kind of ethic and value system

  • you live under that I think is in part admirable.

  • - Oh, I clicked the wrong thing.

  • What happened?

  • Oh, we didn't get there in time.

  • - Oh.

  • - Sorry, we were chatting too much, I got distracted.

  • - Yeah, whatever. It's just beautiful.

  • I like kind of chilling and walking around this world.

  • Does it make you sad that we'll have

  • cyborgs and robots and AI?

  • - No. I think if we merge with it,

  • we have a really optimistic looking future.

  • - But you're gonna lose some of the,

  • this kind of cowboy humanness, you know?

  • - Well, I think that your humanness will be enhanced,

  • like the same way that, you know, money makes you rich,

  • sure, but it just amplifies whatever type of person you are.

  • I think it'll be the same thing with AI.

  • Like, it's just a current,

  • it's amplifying whatever interests you have.

  • So if you're very interested in, I don't know, art,

  • you're going to be able to download all of art history

  • and have access to it at any time that you need it.

  • - Yeah.

  • - Shit, no!

  • - Was that the guy that I was supposed to shoot?

  • - Don't hurt me. - No.

  • - Oh, well, I think so.

  • - Don't hurt me.

  • - Don't hurt me?

  • - Probably.

  • - Is don't hurt me,

  • - Is he dying or-

  • - Is that like a- - I mean-

  • - Don't hurt me.

  • - Reverse psychology or what?

  • - Just take it easy, mister.

  • - I think he has to die.

  • - Was I not supposed to kill him?

  • (Ing laughs)

  • - Damn it. - Oh no.

  • I wasn't supposed to kill him.

  • Oh no.

  • - I think we're not paying attention to the mission

  • and I think it's better that way.

  • - I think it's more entertaining.

  • - Yeah.

  • I thought for sure he was trying to trick you.

  • Yeah, I'm definitely excited about AI,

  • but you have to be-

  • - You definitely have to be cautious.

  • - Especially about which companies get the control of it.

  • The more companies, the more people have control,

  • supervisor control of AI systems, the better distributed.

  • That's the cool thing about ChatGPT is like,

  • it's pretty easy to build, relatively speaking,

  • so a lot of companies will be doing it.

  • - What the hell's wrong with you?

  • - Oh no, you don't.

  • - I just lassoed him. - How'd you know that?

  • Wait, did you do that?

  • - Yeah, I did.

  • - Wait. - Oh wait, wait.

  • What did I do? Hold on, why is it going this way?

  • - Okay. That started so nice.

  • - I know that really went well.

  • - "Don't hurt me"?

  • - Okay, hold on.

  • Why is the horse-

  • - LT, ready to lasso. Throw the lasso, RT. Cool.

  • - Oh shoot.

  • - All right, now you just flirting with him.

  • - LT held and then dismount.

  • Okay. - Why'd you kill him?

  • I think you killed him.

  • - Press B near, oh, hog tying him.

  • - Oh, nice.

  • He's really playing dead for you.

  • - Yeah. - That's nice.

  • - He's done.

  • Hold X, I'm just gonna pick him up.

  • All right.

  • Are we kidnapping him?

  • - Think so.

  • - Approach the back of your horse and hold X to stow him.

  • - Yeah.

  • - Okay.

  • - I don't really think it's kidnapping when

  • he's like broken, dying in the middle of the wilderness.

  • I think you're saving him, honestly.

  • - All right, let's get back on the horse, I guess.

  • - What's your name, boy?

  • - I don't know.

  • - You don't know your name.

  • - It's Kieran.

  • - What's your name, boy? - Kieran what?

  • - Duffy, Kieran Duffy.

  • - Well I ain't gonna lie to you-

  • - Oh, this winter is brutal.

  • - Kieran Duffy.

  • - You think people will have relationships with AI systems?

  • - Yeah, because the AI system will be able to,

  • I think, guess your needs very quickly.

  • But I think it'll get boring.

  • I think it'll be-

  • - It'd be too perfect? - Yeah.

  • Would you date a robot?

  • - Maybe. Maybe for a little bit.

  • I don't think it would be as fun as dating a human though,

  • especially if humans merge with technology.

  • - Sure.

  • Fun, that's an interesting word.

  • Yeah, I suspect the robots would be too perfect.

  • But if it's-

  • - I think the human merging with the AI

  • would be very interesting combo.

  • - Yeah, I agree.

  • - Because then you wouldn't have this laggy brain

  • that's like forgetting things.

  • You would have more interesting conversations

  • and you would have, like, all of your passions,

  • you would be able to dive in deep to them and then come up

  • with really great ideas on how to explore those ideas

  • and research would become more intuitive, I think.

  • - Yeah. It's a tricky thing 'cause you want some,

  • like, life should still have some challenge.

  • It feels like a lot of our development happens

  • in the face of challenge.

  • But we just find new challenges with the,

  • even though we gain extra abilities,

  • we'll still find stuff that's challenging.

  • - They're real nice.

  • - You found the little shit, did you?

  • - Yep. I got him.

  • - Very good. Welcome to your new home.

  • Hope you're real happy here.

  • - [Ing] This guy does not sound nice.

  • - Oh no, now all we'll get is lies. Uncle.

  • - Mr. Williamson.

  • - Tie this maggot up someplace safe.

  • We get him hungry first.

  • I got a saying, my friend,

  • we shoot fellers as need shooting,

  • save fellas as need saving,

  • and feed 'em as need feeding.

  • We are gonna find out what you need.

  • I can't believe it, an O'Driscoll in my camp.

  • - I ain't an O'Driscoll, mister.

  • - Is that how you dress in Boston?

  • - Pretty much. Pretty much.

  • It's too cold.

  • - I would always under dress.

  • - Did you? - Yeah.

  • I took the bus. - Were you driving a lot?

  • - No, I didn't have a car. I did Red Line and bus.

  • I love it.

  • - I love taking the T.

  • - But I do bus much more,

  • and standing in the bus stop freezing.

  • There's an intimacy, there's a romance to the bus.

  • - There is some romance to standing outside

  • while it's cold out.

  • - Yeah. - Like you're bearing

  • this cold, but why, like,

  • what is it that you're doing that's so important

  • that you need to be facing these elements?

  • - But you're also together with other people

  • that are just standing there and suffering

  • and all pretending like we're not suffering,

  • but we're suffering. - Yeah.

  • - But then we're not really suffering

  • 'cause it's just cold, who cares?

  • - It's just temporary too.

  • - Yeah.

  • - No, I never understood the romance of like,

  • people would always post like winter in Miami

  • and then post a picture of them on the beach.

  • - Oh, I see.

  • The troller? - Yeah.

  • - Wait, didn't you do that? (Lex laughs)

  • - I've never done that in my life.

  • - I feel like you sent me a picture of-

  • - I probably recently did that.

  • - Oh 'cause you're now a boss,

  • you feel like you've earned the right to-

  • - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, I got you.

  • - We're gonna starve to death up here, Mr. Morgan.

  • - We're okay.

  • - We have a few cans of food and a rabbit, for what?

  • 10, 12 people?

  • - When I was in the Navy-

  • - I do not wish-

  • - You know, I was thinking about the barbecue.

  • - What about it? - That was so good.

  • - Should we go back?

  • - Should? I think so.

  • - I'm very up for that.

  • - For the record, we went Terry Black's BBQ.

  • It was really good. It's really, really good.

  • - Oh, it's so good.

  • - It's funny, you take for granted 'cause I haven't,

  • just haven't gone in a while.

  • - It's so delicious. Where do you usually go?

  • - I just go to like restaurants or just eat a home

  • because like, I don't know why it's almost like

  • too delicious, but-

  • - It's like a treat.

  • - Yeah, it should be like a treat,

  • but it's not really-

  • - It is really special though when you do have it,

  • like, because I feel like it takes a while

  • to prepare that kind of food.

  • Like they're smoking it all day, right?

  • - And I like it 'cause like when visitors come

  • and you go to like Terry Black's and you do the barbecuing-

  • - It's crazy, it's so good.

  • - And because there's so many, like,

  • the bar is so high and then they still deliver.

  • - Yeah. - That's cool.

  • - And it's consistently great.

  • Like every time you go, it's amazing.

  • You know, one time, my dad and I went,

  • my dad used to do his residency here and he was so excited.

  • He was like, "I can't wait to go have barbecue.

  • I'm so excited you're gonna live in Texas," all this stuff.

  • We ate way too much and we got so sick afterwards.

  • - That's the challenge. There's a few tech folks here.

  • They're really cool. We went out with them,

  • but we got trashed like whiskey, just so drunk.

  • And what I didn't realize is when I'm that drunk,

  • the whatever module in my brain

  • that says "Don't stop eating" was off.

  • - Off. Yeah, because your body is so relaxed.

  • - And I'm having fun and then all of a sudden,

  • it's a good idea to order like 10 pounds of meat.

  • And then you're just- - You ate all of it?

  • - Well, not just me, like everybody together,

  • and we're just eating, eating and just,

  • and it's so hard to stop 'cause it's so freaking delicious.

  • And then you're drunk. That's happiness.

  • - It's delicious. Yeah, it's great.

  • It's great while you're eating it.

  • You know what I've noticed about unhealthy foods

  • or like treats?

  • It's always really fun while you're eating it,

  • but before and after,

  • there's always this feeling of like regret.

  • - Yeah.

  • - Or like before you eat a cupcake or something.

  • I always feel this feeling of like,

  • "I'm really gonna regret this after I eat it,

  • but I really want it." And then while I'm eating it,

  • I'm like enjoying it. I'm like, "Oh, this is so good.

  • I want like another one." And then afterwards I'm like,

  • "Why did I do that?" - Yeah.

  • I have to really work on that, to walk away.

  • Walk away while- - It's tough.

  • - Like, You really want a thing and you say,

  • "Nope, no more."

  • God, that looks beautiful. Look at that.

  • - Do you ski?

  • - I have, yeah.

  • I grew up cross country skiing, like on,

  • you know, not downhill.

  • I don't know what that- - I was born in the-

  • - I was born. (Ing laughs)

  • - On the mountains with the goats.

  • No, I don't really.

  • - With goats? Why goats?

  • - Because they're really good with the mountains.

  • You don't know about that?

  • - Oh yeah, aren't they the ones that they,

  • they stand on the edges of-

  • - In a goat. Oh yeah, what's your best,

  • what's your favorite really bad meal

  • that you shouldn't be eating?

  • - My favorite really bad meal that I shouldn't be eating?

  • - Cheat meal.

  • - Like, something naughty?

  • Probably like fried chicken.

  • I love fried chicken.

  • - Like what kind? I don't think I've had much fried chicken.

  • So you're talking about like KFC, like?

  • - No, so there's this grocery store in Miami,

  • it's called Publix and they have the best fried chicken.

  • Like, it's so good.

  • - Oh, in like the little spot that keeps it warm

  • or whatever? - Yes. Yep.

  • And it's so good and they have like chicken tenders.

  • - It's super crispy and all that?

  • - Oh, it's so good.

  • It's great.

  • - With sauce of some kind?

  • - No sauce. I'm not a sauce person.

  • - Okay.

  • - Are you saucy? - No, respect. Respect.

  • - You're saucy?

  • - No, I'm not saucy at all.

  • I'm just giving you respect.

  • - Oh.

  • - The people that cover stuff with sauce

  • are the people that- - Scare everything around.

  • - Are you being, with sauces?

  • - 100%. (Ing laughs)

  • I'll have people here in Texas who are like,

  • like legit barbecue, like aficionados

  • or whatever you call that.

  • - Let's select a bow.

  • - They will put sauce on their,

  • they'll like dip it and stuff.

  • They'll have like different sauces, right?

  • - I did that the last time, I think.

  • - You did- - I put a little bit of sauce-

  • - That's not cool. - On my barbecue.

  • - That's not cool, it's disrespecting the meat.

  • It's just not cool. It's like putting ketchup on a steak,

  • on an aged steak.

  • - I don't judge people for putting sauce,

  • but for certain things- - I don't judge people.

  • - I don't need sauce. - I don't judge people.

  • - It sounds like you're very emotionally charged with this.

  • - For anything, except- - Putting sauce.

  • - Except putting sauce in their barbecue.

  • This is the one thing I judge them on.

  • No, I don't care.

  • But I like-

  • - What am I looking for? - Great basic ingredients.

  • Why is it all slow motion?

  • - Because I activated eagle eye,

  • I just don't know what I'm looking for.

  • That's the problem is I keep chatting with you.

  • - And forgetting what you were doing.

  • - Oh, shoot.

  • - All right, check it out.

  • - Oh, it's there. Okay.

  • - Oh cool. It has a, what is that?

  • It's like a scent? What is it?

  • - Stop running. You're making too much noise.

  • It's easier in the snow, but once you get your eye in,

  • you'll be able to track nearly as well in grass and woods.

  • - We're looking for an animal.

  • Okay, so then we focus on the track and then,

  • so all you have to do is press RB while focusing

  • on the track, I just don't know where the track went.

  • Oh, there we go.

  • So you see how it's like flashing?

  • - How do you know we're hunting for an animal?

  • Oh, stop tracking? I see.

  • It's a giant TV and the text is blurry.

  • I'm pretty sure my vision doesn't suck that bad.

  • - No, it's definitely, I think it's just too much stimuli.

  • Like, it's like just a giant screen,

  • you don't know where to look.

  • - Giant screen and a low resolution or something?

  • I don't know what it is.

  • - Aim for the head or neck-

  • - There's the quality there.

  • Oh yeah. - Oh yeah.

  • - See if you can get another one.

  • - Is there any other ones?

  • - Go get the meat.

  • - I don't know how to uncrouch.

  • - You press this button.

  • - Oh, okay.

  • Let a man handle it. (Ing laughs)

  • - I like how you did the hunting

  • and I'm now doing the-

  • - The gathering? - The gathering. Oh, hey.

  • Hey. Wouldn't it tell me to do stuff with it?

  • - No, you have to look for more deer.

  • - Okay.

  • - Why is he crouching?

  • Looks like he's really trying to be stealth.

  • - Anyway, besides fried chicken. What else?

  • - I love sweets,

  • so I love chocolate. - Chocolate, dark?

  • - I'm a milk chocolate girl, but I love dark chocolate.

  • - Yeah, me too. I'm a milk chocolate girl

  • because, yeah.

  • - It's so much creamier.

  • - Yeah. Yeah, it's more delicious.

  • But then like the sophisticated people.

  • How do I run? Yeah.

  • - Dark chocolate's not bad.

  • Like, I'll have dark chocolate with like,

  • like some nut butter in it.

  • - But people will judge you 'cause like the real,

  • like if you're a real chocolate person,

  • you're gonna do dark chocolate 'cause it's like,

  • - I don't think- - The most sophisticated,

  • complicated flavor, right?

  • - That's like fake. That's like someone going to,

  • I don't know, some restaurant and being like,

  • "If you don't order this, then you didn't really go

  • to that place." I don't think that really matters.

  • I think it's all subjective.

  • - Same with like coffee. I still drink instant coffee.

  • - Do you like instant coffee?

  • - Yeah.

  • - I don't think I've ever had instant coffee.

  • - I don't like to admit it 'cause-

  • - Why? - People say that,

  • 'cause they don't consider instant coffee real coffee,

  • but I'm like, it's-

  • - It's coffee. (both laugh)

  • - And it's like reliable. Like I can count on it,

  • I know the flavor, it's good.

  • I know the amount, the aroma.

  • Like, the whole point of, not the whole point, but-

  • - Do you make it with hot water?

  • - Yeah, with hot water. - Or just water?

  • - With hot water. Hot water.

  • I'm just running around.

  • Not that way.

  • (Ing laughs) - What are you doing?

  • - How do you know- - He just asked you.

  • - Oh, so I should follow this guy? But he's just crouching.

  • - Well, you have to use your eagle eye.

  • - What's the eagle eye thing?

  • - It's these two, you click them down at the same time

  • and you gotta look around

  • because you're gonna run out of eagle eye.

  • - How do I- - I think we lost the animal.

  • Hold on.

  • Cancel it. Okay, wait, don't do it yet.

  • Just go back to where that animal was

  • and then look for the- - Right.

  • - Then look for the scent.

  • - Chocolate.

  • - What are your favorites?

  • Like, something naughty though because you eat very clean.

  • - I don't think I use the word naughty to describe-

  • - Describing food? - We're describing food,

  • it makes me uncomfortable.

  • - Does it? (both laugh)

  • - It's such a weird word to use.

  • "I'm feeling naughty," I don't think I feel naughty.

  • It's just not, I think that's just not in my vocabulary.

  • Yeah, I feel like,

  • Is this back? Is this where it is?

  • - Wherever the animal, (both laugh)

  • why is he following you like that?

  • - I think he likes the view. I don't know.

  • - Oh, okay, so the animal's over there.

  • So get close to it and then just look around

  • and I'm sure you'll find the scent.

  • I love baking, by the way.

  • - Actually baking? Yeah. - Yeah.

  • - Yeah. So cookies, like oatmeal raisin.

  • The best cookie is oatmeal raisin.

  • I've got a lot of trouble over this.

  • - Not chocolate chip? - Yeah,

  • I went to war on Twitter over this.

  • You're a chocolate chip girl?

  • - Yeah.

  • - All right, so I'm doing oatmeal raisin for me,

  • like warm oatmeal raisin.

  • - So one of my nephews really loves oatmeal raisin,

  • the other one loves chocolate chip.

  • - What am I following? Is that-

  • - Yeah, that's the scent.

  • - Anyway, oatmeal raisin cookie.

  • Like, a thick oatmeal raisin cookie.

  • - Thick? - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • - No, the thin one- - It has to be thick.

  • - The thin ones are like, it makes no sense.

  • - Because it's not enough cookie?

  • - Yeah, there's not enough like meat

  • and substance to the cookie. Good job.

  • Just like a warm, thick oatmeal raisin cookie

  • with some milk.

  • - It's your jam?

  • - With almond milk actually.

  • - Almond milk? - Yeah, with the cookie.

  • - The creamy almond milk or like-

  • - Creamy. - Real almond milk?

  • - I don't know what real almond milk is.

  • Yeah, real, but not sweetened.

  • Not sweet, unsweetened.

  • Who's whistling?

  • - Looking for the horse.

  • Gotta take this deer on the horse. Oh, there it is.

  • - Nice.

  • - This horse is great.

  • - What's your favorite cookie?

  • - Chocolate chip.

  • Yeah, I love a chocolate chip cookie because

  • there's so many different ways of making it.

  • I'm sure there's the same thing for-

  • - You're just gonna leave the animal?

  • - No, I'm gonna grab it, I had to move the horse.

  • - Okay. (both laugh)

  • - So I had the option to grab it.

  • So you can make like cakey chocolate chip cookies.

  • - Sure. - You can make like

  • a gooey chocolate chip cookie,

  • you can make a chewy one. - You gotta go gooey.

  • - Maybe chewy gooey.

  • - Chewy gooey.

  • It depends on what, like, you can add molasses,

  • you can add- - Do you want it to crumble

  • or do you want it to be chewy?

  • - I don't like it crispy, I like chewy.

  • - Yeah, good.

  • - Good? (Ing laughs)

  • - There's a, you know, growing up in,

  • I think it's like in the Soviet Union that had

  • I think there's a kind of cake,

  • I don't know how it's called it in English, but it's,

  • (speaking Russian)

  • which is an anthill cake, I think.

  • - Is it like an angel hair cake?

  • - No, it's condensed milk.

  • - Oh.

  • - With a bunch of, you know what condensed milk is or not?

  • - Yes, of course.

  • - Of course? - I'm Cuban.

  • - Oh. (Ing speaking Spanish)

  • - Do Cubans do this kind of thing?

  • What do they use it for?

  • - You use it for a lot of different things, but-

  • - Desserts. - Desserts, yes.

  • You can also, yeah,

  • you can make a lot of different things with it.

  • It's delicious.

  • - Yeah, it's amazing.

  • - It's like very sweet and gooey.

  • Okay, so what are you- - Probably horrible for you.

  • It's a cake with, I don't know,

  • it's called anthill.

  • People can look it up, it's great.

  • And it was just a source of happiness

  • 'cause my mom will make it every year for my birthday, so.

  • - Oh, that's delicious.

  • - But then you like, as you grow up you realize like,

  • "Oh, this is probably really bad for you."

  • - Yeah, it's not great.

  • - And I'm the only one that eats it,

  • so when she makes it, it's like, all right, so-

  • - The entire cake for you.

  • - Am I gonna do like this 20,000 calorie contraption?

  • Am I really going to take this on?

  • And I do because I can't do a slice of it.

  • - No, you just keep going. - That's disrespecting

  • the gods of cake.

  • - So your mom likes to bake too?

  • - Yeah.

  • - What else does she bake?

  • Like, what is your favorite thing, like a home cooked meal?

  • - She lost her husband, her home.

  • - You know, it's like,

  • I think it's just being with family is the favorite thing

  • versus like a specific meal, probably like barbecuing, like,

  • you know, I'll usually grill, I'll make meat.

  • So just getting together around a grill and-

  • - And then enjoying the meal with whoever you're with?

  • - And then just drink like whiskey, vodka. Yeah.

  • - I feel that way about traveling.

  • Like, people romanticize going to different places,

  • but I think it's really about the company that you keep.

  • - Yep.

  • - We ain't run into them much last six months.

  • - It almost feels like we're having a conversation,

  • but we're actually on a horse having a conversation.

  • (Ing laughs) - It does feel

  • like we're on a horse.

  • - Well.

  • - Which one am I and which one are you?

  • - I think they look the same.

  • - Big gang.

  • - Look how big that deer is on the back of my horse.

  • - Yeah.

  • It's kind of incredible, this game just looks beautiful.

  • - Yeah. - It's like realistic.

  • - Blood feud. - Watch out, bear up ahead.

  • - Let's see if we can find another way around.

  • - Wait, did he say bear?

  • - Yeah. What do we do about the,

  • oh, I gotta get on my horse.

  • There's a bear. (Ing laughs)

  • What are we gonna do about the bear?

  • Aim weapon, RT.

  • - That's a bad idea. Have you seen the size of it?

  • - All right, I guess we won't shoot it.

  • - It could be cocaine bear.

  • - It looks like cocaine bear. Look how big it is.

  • - Actually, in the trailer for "Cocaine Bear,"

  • the cocaine bear doesn't look big.

  • - He doesn't?

  • - He looked kind of skinny.

  • - Well, he's a CGI, no?

  • - Yeah, I understand this, but like,

  • I think they realized they can't make the

  • cocaine bear fat 'cause then-

  • - Because then he would be lazy.

  • - Yeah, it would be a slow movie.

  • You have to have like a skinny, agile bear.

  • - Yeah, like just woke up from hibernation.

  • - Yeah, took some cocaine. (Ing laughs)

  • - Accidentally. - And just go nuts.

  • I really wanna see that movie just to see-

  • - Like how far they'd take it?

  • - Like how can you have a movie for two hours

  • on a premise that feels like it should not last longer

  • than 10 seconds? - It feels like a joke

  • that you- - It's like a TikTok joke-

  • - Say amongst friends for like 10 minutes,

  • and like maximum 10 minutes.

  • Like, you have like this weird banter about it

  • and it gets weird after like three minutes.

  • - So literally, this is based on that true story, right?

  • So literally they're going to-

  • (Ing laughs)

  • It is, it is.

  • There was some cocaine in the woods,

  • dropped off in the woods, right?

  • So they're gonna do that and they're gonna say,

  • "Oh, it looks like some bear ate into it."

  • Okay, that takes like two minutes to introduce.

  • What else is- - Maybe half the movie

  • is just like the cocaine story.

  • - It could be.

  • - That ain't normally the case.

  • - Or maybe like looking at how the cocaine changes

  • the relationship the bear has with his family

  • and other bears, you know in like, "The Lion King" way.

  • - Yeah, I don't know. It's a very silly movie.

  • - It could be like a cool action film.

  • Maybe they're going like-

  • - I think it might be hilarious.

  • - Kills a bunch of, like the bear kills a bunch of people.

  • - I almost hope that it's really dumb

  • because I think it would be funnier that way.

  • - I hope Liam Neeson isn't-

  • - Who's that?

  • - You made it made a giant mistake for stealing my daughter.

  • - That would be great. (both laugh)

  • - He would call the bear.

  • - Is that the guy from "Taken"?

  • - Yeah, "Taken." That's the one. Yeah.

  • - Yeah.

  • - I am a sucker for those movies.

  • - For "Taken"?

  • All of them. He's in a bunch of,

  • he plays the same exact guy and he's such a badass.

  • - Those movies freaked me out.

  • I think it was probably a good thing.

  • - I'd love to talk to him on podcast.

  • He's a really, really interesting dude. And he like,

  • same with what's the guy from "Breaking Bad"?

  • - I don't know his name but I know who you're talking about.

  • Aaron something? - No, no, the other guy.

  • - That's the blonde guy. - The older guy.

  • - I don't know what his name is.

  • - Bryan Cranston, I wanna say.

  • He's like a badass in real life too.

  • I like it when you're like-

  • - When you don't just play the part,

  • like it's part of who you are.

  • - I feel like playing the part made him more of a badass.

  • - Interesting. - And then he embraced it.

  • - You're goddamn right.

  • - The part changed him, and that's really cool.

  • I mean, when you play a meth dealer for like 10 seasons,

  • whatever it is, it's gonna change you.

  • - Yeah, definitely.

  • I mean, it'd be part of you now.

  • - Thank you for showing me how to use the bow properly.

  • - I only showed you a little.

  • - It's like when you do any job, it consumes you.

  • - Yeah.

  • You've been working like crazy, right?

  • - I work a lot. Yeah.

  • I work like 60 or so many hours a week.

  • - That's good.

  • - I love it. - Hard work is good.

  • - Yeah, it's important.

  • - Just drop it down in here.

  • (Ing laughs) - What a surprise

  • to find the camp rat loitering around in the kitchen.

  • - Is that any way to greet an old friend?

  • I feel like we haven't spoken for days.

  • - I do my utmost to avoid you.

  • - He loves me really. It's his sad way of showing affection.

  • - No, it isn't. Now shoot, get lost.

  • - Well, see you gents later.

  • - See you got on- - It's interesting, you know,

  • when you spend 60 or 70 hours a week doing something

  • 'cause before that, I wasn't working.

  • - Jesus, what is that?

  • - It's like become my entire life.

  • It's all that I think about to the point that sometimes

  • when I'll go to a restaurant, I'll see an elderly person,

  • a person who's having a hard time walking and I'm like,

  • "I should be in the lab working. Like, what am I doing?"

  • - Yeah, yeah. - Why am I here?

  • - That's really good. That means you really care about it.

  • I mean, you were talking about it when I met you

  • about prosthetics and about that kind of stuff.

  • That was a passion. - Yeah.

  • - It's cool that you, like, found that passion in this work.

  • It's great.

  • - Yeah.

  • I'm skinning a deer.

  • - Here we go.

  • - Ugh.

  • I'm kidding.

  • - Did you have to press something?

  • - Just Y.

  • Did you do any animal work ever?

  • - Yeah, dissecting in high school

  • and college. - Like, high school?

  • - Yeah.

  • Yeah, for anatomy and physiology.

  • Yeah, it's funny.

  • I miss high school for like the educational aspects.

  • - Were you funny in high school?

  • - Thank you, Mr. Morgan.

  • - What were you like in high school?

  • - Very like stoic, read a lot,

  • and wrestling and sports and just that.

  • - Was there any book that really shaped you in high school?

  • - Yeah, like, a lot. A lot.

  • First it was like "The Stranger," which is probably

  • by Albert Camus.

  • It's like, I just reread it recently

  • and it's not nearly as good.

  • - As when you read it in those formative years?

  • - I've read other books that I've read

  • and they're much better now.

  • - Or is it not as good in comparison

  • to books that you've read- - Yeah.

  • - After that?

  • - See there's other books like,

  • like Dostoyevsky gets better and better as I get older

  • and I read that in high school,

  • but "The Stranger" was like, eh.

  • But it's the first time I had this

  • feeling of existentialism of like,

  • it's the first time I really intensely felt like,

  • What's the meaning of it all?

  • Like, felt it, not just-

  • - Like an existential- - Yeah.

  • - Interesting.

  • - And then, of course,

  • you like take it like way too seriously.

  • - Yeah, and you get like really depressed and nervous and?

  • - Yeah.

  • - Arthur.

  • - Dutch! - Gentlemen,

  • it is time to make something- - You know,

  • the one that really hit me is?

  • - Get your horses ready. - "Animal Farm."

  • - Oh, that's a great book.

  • Can I tell you which character I like the most

  • and then you tell me which one you like the most?

  • - Sure, let's go.

  • - Can you guess?

  • - Well, it's not the pigs.

  • Is it Molly, the horse that likes pretty-

  • - How dare you? (both laugh)

  • - Benjamin, the donkey? - Nope.

  • - Who's cynical about everything?

  • - Nope.

  • I feel like it's obvious.

  • - Is it- - It's Boxer.

  • - Oh, yeah.

  • (Lex sighs) Now you're just- - Working harder.

  • - Yep. - By the way.

  • - Yeah, obviously it's mine too.

  • You're stealing my best-

  • - Is that your- - My vibe. Yeah.

  • Yeah, I will work harder, but-

  • - I think hard work is a lot more important than,

  • human intelligence doesn't vary all that much.

  • Like, when you're smart, I mean there's only,

  • like, you can't get much smarter.

  • - So you think hard work beats the cliche talent?

  • - Yeah.

  • - I think like a combination of the two,

  • or like even just being passionate.

  • - Yeah. - And putting in the work

  • because you could be passionate and lazy.

  • - I agree.

  • - Now come on, let's ride.

  • - And I think sometimes if you think you're really smart,

  • it kind of holds you back

  • to where you feel like you don't have to try as hard.

  • (cinematic game music)

  • Then it leads to like a very, I think, boring life.

  • But who knows? For some people, they enjoy that.

  • - This is straight up a movie.

  • - It's beautiful.

  • - What do you think is the meaning of life?

  • - What do I think is the meaning of life?

  • - I feel like it's a good thing to ask while

  • we're watching a bunch of cowboys ride through the woods.

  • - I think nothing in life matters

  • except for love and human connection.

  • Like, nothing else is really all that important.

  • Like, I think when you look back on life,

  • you look back on the moments that you shared

  • with other people, how deeply you loved them,

  • how deeply you felt things.

  • I think all of that is important,

  • everything else is just noise.

  • - Yeah.

  • - You sure you're ready for this, kid?

  • - I agree.

  • - This is really beautiful. The seasons are changing.

  • - Yeah, before our eyes.

  • - What do you think is the meaning of life?

  • - How many times are you going to ask-

  • - How good you can ride a horse

  • (Ing laughs) or how pretty

  • you look in a cowboy hat.

  • That's probably it.

  • - It would be crazy to go back there now.

  • - So it's not wearing shorts barefoot on a beach

  • on a horse? (Ing laughs)

  • - When the feeling strikes you,

  • Ing is referring to a ridiculous photo of me,

  • - It's my favorite photo- - On a horse.

  • - I've ever seen of a person.

  • - Yeah.

  • - It's a fabulous photo.

  • - The funny thing is there's a bunch

  • of shirtless versions of that.

  • - There's shirtless versions? - It was like, you know,

  • almost like ridiculous because I rode the horse shirtless

  • but then I put on a shirt,

  • 'cause it's like too ridiculous to take a picture

  • of what you're doing. It was cool.

  • Like, riding a horse on sand is a different experience

  • and it's like looking out over the ocean.

  • It's cool, it's an incredible feeling.

  • Why did you just shoot a gun?

  • (Ing laughs)

  • - I had the binoculars.

  • Sorry.

  • - This is how all bad things happen.

  • This is why we can't have nice things.

  • I think this is a good place to end it.

  • - Yeah, I think so too.

  • - What game should we play next time?

  • Do you have ideas?

  • - Maybe we'll play GTA.

  • - Could be. Good thought.

  • What's your big takeaway from this journey we took together?

  • Did you like the game?

  • - I love the game.

  • - I love it too.

  • - But it's also like, it's almost nostalgic.

  • - Yeah.

  • - That would be fun.

  • - Nostalgic, like personally for you, like?

  • - Yeah, like I used to play this as a kid.

  • - Oh, I see you used to play this.

  • I thought you meant like, "It takes me back."

  • - It takes me back. - I used to-

  • - To my old days when I used to ride horses in summer camp.

  • - Me too, me too. (Ing laughs)

  • - Your shirtless Mexico trip.

  • - I don't talk about that time. (Ing laughs)

  • - You don't talk about that time. (Ing laughs)

  • - The things I've seen, the things these eyes I've seen.

  • (Western music)

- We're playing Red Dead Redemption 2,

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