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  • Did he lose the 2020 election?

  • Tim, I'm focused on the future.

  • Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?

  • That is a damning non-answer.

  • It's a damning non-answer for you to not talk about censorship.

  • Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there were problems in 2020.

  • We've talked about it.

  • I'm happy to talk about it further.

  • But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy.

  • The most sacred right under the United States democracy is the First Amendment.

  • You yourself have said there's no First Amendment right to misinformation.

  • Kamala Harris wants to use the power of government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds.

  • That is a threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment.

  • I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship.

  • Let's persuade one another.

  • Let's argue about ideas, and then let's come together afterwards.

  • You can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

  • That's the test.

  • That's the Supreme Court test.

  • Tim, fire in a crowded theater.

  • You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for saying that toddlers shouldn't wear masks.

  • That's not fire in a crowded theater.

  • That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every American.

  • Senator, the governor does have the floor for one minute to respond to you.

  • Yeah, well, I don't run Facebook.

  • What I do know is, is I see a candidate out there who refused, and now again, and I'm pretty shocked by this, he lost the election.

  • This is not a debate.

  • If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear?

  • Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open, and sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the president, but I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump.

  • I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record, but most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people.

  • Rising wages, rising take-home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on, and yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something wrong, and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it.

  • You said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year.

  • Look, I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my heart into my community, I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that.

  • Many times I will talk a lot, I will get caught up in the rhetoric, but being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life, I learned a lot about China.

  • I hear the critiques of this.

  • I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us.

  • I guarantee you he wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about COVID, and I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing.

  • So first of all, Margaret, before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.

  • We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies.

  • Kamala Harris was the Attorney General of the largest state in a border state in California.

  • She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions.

  • But look, we all want to solve this.

  • Most of us want to solve this.

  • That's why we had the fairest and the toughest bill on immigration that this nation's seen.

  • But as soon as I was getting ready to pass and actually tackle this, Donald Trump said no, told them to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue.

  • It gives him, what would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things?

  • The only thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border.

  • This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.

  • We could come together and solve this if we didn't let Donald Trump continue to make it an issue.

  • And the consequences in Springfield were the governor had to send state law enforcement to escort kindergartners to school.

  • I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with Donald Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point.

  • And when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and villainize other human beings.

  • Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield, and he's very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield.

  • Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed, you've got hospitals that are overwhelmed, you have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.

  • The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio, are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.

  • It is a disgrace, Tim.

  • And I actually think, I agree with you, I think you want to solve this problem, but I don't think that Kamala Harris does.

  • I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew 2540 talks about, to the least amongst us, you do unto me.

  • I think that's true of most Americans.

  • They simply want order to it.

  • This bill does it, it's funded, it's supported by the people who do it, and it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people.

  • Just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected status.

  • Well, Margaret, but- Thank you.

  • Senator, we have so much to get to.

  • Margaret, I think it's important because- We're gonna turn out of the economy, thank you.

  • Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't gonna fact check, and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.

  • So there's an application called the CBP1 app, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum, or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.

  • That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years.

  • Thank you, Senator.

  • That is the facilitation of a legal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership.

  • Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.

  • And Kamala Harris opened up that pathway.

  • Those laws have been on the books since 1990.

  • Thank you, gentlemen.

  • The CBP1 app has not been on the books since 1990.

  • It's something that Kamala Harris created, Margaret.

  • Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut.

  • You know, I grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies, and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options.

  • One of them is actually very dear to me.

  • She felt like if she hadn't had that abortion, that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship.

  • And I think that what I take from that, as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party, we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us.

  • And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do.

  • I want us, as a Republican party, to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word.

  • I want us to support fertility treatments.

  • I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies.

  • I want it to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to raise that family.

  • And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front just to give women more options.

  • When you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject and you hear me talk about it, you hear us talking exactly the same.

  • Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this.

  • I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about what's happening.

  • His running mate, though, does not, and that's the problem.

  • I got a 17-year-old and he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball.

  • Those things don't leave you.

  • No one's trying to scaremonger and say we're taking your guns, but I ask all of you out there, do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort?

  • Is that what we have to go?

  • When we know there's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these types of drills, they're being kids, we owe it to them to get a fix.

  • Tim, first of all, I didn't know that your 17-year-old witnessed a shooting.

  • I'm sorry about that.

  • I appreciate you saying so.

  • Christ have mercy, it is awful.

  • We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of, because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it.

  • Just because you have a mental health issue doesn't mean you're violent, and I think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat.

  • Sometimes it just is the guns.

  • Governor, you say trust the experts, but those same experts for 40 years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off to China, we'd get cheaper goods.

  • They lied about that.

  • They said if we shipped our industrial base off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the middle class stronger.

  • They were wrong about that.

  • They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less self-productive in our own nation, that it would somehow make us better off, and they were wrong about it.

  • And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.

  • Much of what the senator said right there, I'm in agreement with him on this.

  • I watched it happen too.

  • I watched it to my communities, and we talked about that.

  • We're in agreement that we bring those home.

  • The issue is Donald Trump is talking about it.

  • Kamala Harris has a record, 250,000 more manufacturing jobs just out of the IRA.

  • May I respond to that?

  • Yes.

  • So I appreciate that.

  • So if you notice, what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.

  • And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show that he did.

  • So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you got a tough job here, because you've got to play whack-a-mole.

  • You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which, of course, he did.

  • You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which, of course, he did.

  • And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris' atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens.

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