That's it.

And it raises the question, is that bad?

Like, I get asked about Amazon a lot.

Like, do I disagree with how Amazon is run?

And my answer is always the same, which is, they never lied.

They didn't tell you it's a magical place to work where it's all kumbaya and we all hang out with, you know, unicorns every day.

It's really amazing.

They're very open about it, that it's very, very aggressive and very rough and very competitive.

And even the people who love it only last two years because they burn out.

And so, because they don't lie, you know what you're going to get if you go work there.

And if you like that kind of culture, then go work there.

If you don't like that kind of culture, then don't work there.

But don't take the job and then say, I didn't know, because you did.

Like Apple, you know, people say, well, Steve Jobs used to drive his people really hard.

Like, but you ask the people who loved working there, they will tell you, yes, it was hard and there was a lot of pressure, but I did the best work of my life.

And I'm glad I worked there because I never would have been able to work to that standard if I didn't work at Apple back in the day, right?

So the important thing is that companies are honest about the kinds of cultures that they have, right?

It's the lying.

Look how everything's kumbaya.

And like, look, no culture is perfect.

Even good ones have problems and even bad ones have advantages, right?

But I think it's about managing expectations.

And I think it's okay for somebody to say of themselves, look, I am not a careerist.

I am okay with the fact that I will never be an owner or a senior manager.

I want to be paid fairly.

I want to do decent work.

But I want work to fit neatly in my life and not overwhelm it.

And I don't think we're at the point where we have total honesty on both sides yet.

I hope we can get to the point because there's still stigma.

Because the older generations like you and me are looking at, if somebody were to say to us, I only want to work 40 hours.

I'm willing to push my boundaries occasionally.

But really, this is just, we would be like, well, you're not working, you know?

It hasn't normalized yet.

But I think it's just a question of being honest with oneself.

And you're allowed to change your mind as well.

Like, I've decided I do want to be a little harder driving.

And I do want, I do have more ambition than I thought or less.

But I think it's just about honesty.

Because it's all about managing expectations.

Hold on, I thought that you were going to give me all of your attention and all of your effort and all of your ambition.

And you're telling me you want to treat my job as a casual job?

If I knew that, I would be fine with that.

I would have given you a different job and had different expectations.

I wouldn't have pushed you really hard.

I would have given that work to someone else.

Because I'm assuming you want to live your career like I live my career.

Like I assume that I'm getting into this relationship and you're getting into it for the same reasons as me because we never had a conversation.

We are nowhere near that in terms of social acceptance for that kind of conversation.

But I aspire for that, that somebody sits down and says, a part of your CV and part of your interview says, you know, what kind of work-life balance do you aspire for and how do you view work?