I was into motorcycles and the riding season is so short.

我對摩托車情有獨鍾，但騎行季節太短。

Insurance is so expensive.

保險太貴了。

Everything is so expensive in Canada.

加拿大什麼都貴。

Horrible Canadian winter.

可怕的加拿大冬天

I just thought, what the heck are we doing here?

我在想，我們到底在這裡幹什麼？

Let's move to Taiwan.

讓我們移步臺灣。

My guest today is a friend from Canada.

今天的嘉賓是一位來自加拿大的朋友。

He owns a lovely coffee shop called Bon Bon Café in Pindong.

他在屏東開了一家可愛的咖啡店，名叫 Bon Bon Café。

But before we continue with today's interview, please don't forget to subscribe to my channel if you haven't already.

在我們繼續今天的訪談之前，如果您還沒有訂閱我的頻道，請不要忘記訂閱。

And help me reach 100,000 subscribers.

並幫助我達到 10 萬訂閱用戶。

It's getting very close and I could use your support.

時間越來越近了，我需要你們的支持。

Let's get back to the video now.

現在讓我們回到視頻上來。

Cole Fogel here and today I am with, I'll let you introduce yourself.

我是科爾-福格爾（Cole Fogel），今天我和你在一起，我先讓你自我介紹一下。

What's your name sir?

你叫什麼名字，先生？

Ken Chappell.

肯-查普爾

Ken, where are you from originally?

肯，你來自哪裡？

Born and raised in downtown Toronto.

在多倫多市中心出生長大。

Which, we have that connection because I'm from Toronto.

我們有這種聯繫，因為我來自多倫多。

I'm from North York.

我來自北約克。

How old are you again?

你幾歲了？

65. Are you bringing sexy back at 65?

65. 你要在 65 歲時恢復性感嗎？

60 is the new 40.

60 歲是新的 40 歲。

I'm 60 and I'm sexy.

我 60 歲了，我很性感。

What did you do there for a living?

你在那裡做什麼工作？

When I first got my driver's license, I was, I just loved driving.

我剛拿到駕照的時候，非常喜歡開車。

And my first car was an Austin Mini, 1973 Austin Mini.

我的第一輛車是一輛奧斯汀迷你，1973 年的奧斯汀迷你。

I just loved driving.

我就是喜歡開車。

I loved exploring and getting on the open road.

我喜歡探索，喜歡開闊的道路。

And I just thought to, I remember thinking to myself at the time, wouldn't it be nice if they actually paid you to drive?

我就想，我記得當時我在想，如果他們真的付錢讓你開車，那不是很好嗎？

So I think my subconscious mind had directed me to that path.

是以，我認為是我的潛意識指引我走上了這條道路。

My first job driving was actually driving a plumbing truck in Toronto.

我的第一份駕駛工作其實是在多倫多駕駛一輛水管車。

I was a young teenager.

我當時還是個少年。

Then I went from there to driving limousine part-time.

後來，我兼職開豪華轎車。

Doing executive runs in the morning, funerals in the afternoon.

上午做行政運行，下午做葬禮。

Oh, interesting.

哦，有意思。

The energy must have been very...

能量一定非常...

Yeah, yeah, no kidding.

是啊，是啊，別開玩笑了。

And driving parties, you know, celebrities and parties and rock stars and actors.

駕駛派對，你知道的，名人和派對，搖滾明星和演員。

Any one that kind of popped out where you were like, wow, this is cool?

有什麼能讓你覺得 "哇，這很酷"？

One that was really memorable was, we were hired to drive, pick up Queen.

最難忘的一次是，我們受僱開車去接女王。

I had Freddie Mercury and I was the lead car.

我有弗雷迪-默丘裡（Freddie Mercury），我是主角車。

And we drove on to the actual field and circled around and drove to the concert hall theater.

我們驅車前往真正的場地，然後繞了一圈，駛向音樂廳劇院。

Wow.

哇

And you could just hear the roar of people getting excited on the limos.

你可以聽到人們在豪華轎車上興奮的咆哮聲。

So I went from driving limo to working for the TTC.

於是，我從開豪華轎車的司機變成了為 TTC 工作的人。

Which is our public transit in Toronto, Canada.

這就是我們加拿大多倫多的公共交通。

I drove city buses and the subway as well, operated the train system.

我還駕駛過城市公車和地鐵，營運過火車系統。

So how many years did you do that for?

你幹了多少年？

81 to 88, so about seven years.

81 到 88 年，大約七年。

And then what happened after that?

之後又發生了什麼？

Well, my dream had always been to drive highway coach.

我的夢想一直是駕駛公路客車。

I wanted to get on the open road and explore.

我想上路去探險。

I wanted to drive cross-country.

我想開車越野。

Because you had a desire to travel, obviously it sounds like.

顯然，這聽起來像是因為你渴望旅行。

Then I decided to work for Trentway Wager, which was a tour company, local tour.

後來，我決定為特倫特威格公司工作，那是一家旅遊公司，當地的旅遊公司。

Which had then become Coach Canada.

後來，它變成了 "加拿大教練"。

You must have been so happy when you finally got...

當你終於...

Yeah, when I gave up Go Transit, I gave up my seniority and my pension.

是啊，當我放棄 Go Transit 的時候，我也放棄了我的資歷和養老金。

And people thought I was crazy for doing that.

人們認為我這樣做是瘋了。

But I think it was worth it for your sanity, probably.

但我認為，為了你的理智，這也許是值得的。

I just said to the guys, life is too short just to stick to a job because of a pension or because of your seniority.

我只是對大家說，人生苦短，不能因為終身俸或資歷而固守一份工作。

I agree with you.

我同意你的觀點。

And that's where I met my wife.

在那裡，我遇到了我的妻子。

Oh, while you were doing the travel.

哦，你在旅行的時候

Yeah, exactly.

是啊，沒錯。

She was on my bus.

她在我的車上

Annie, your wife, she's from Taiwan.

安妮，你的妻子，她來自臺灣。

She was on holiday from Taiwan visiting Canada, is that how it was?

她從臺灣來加拿大度假，是這樣嗎？

No, she was studying in Toronto.

不，她在多倫多讀書。

Which many Taiwanese come to Toronto for that.

許多臺灣人為此來到多倫多。

Okay, so Annie was studying English in Toronto.

好吧，安妮在多倫多學習英語。

She decided to go on a tour.

她決定去旅遊。

You were the guy driving that bus.

你就是那個開車的人

Annie and her friends.

安妮和她的朋友們

Was it love at first sight for you?

你們是一見鍾情嗎？

I wouldn't say so.

我可不這麼認為。

And I heard her friends, one of them was Japanese.

我聽說她的朋友中有一個是日本人。

They were praising Annie on how good of a cook she was and how she took care of everyone.

他們稱讚安妮是個好廚師，如何照顧好每一個人。

My ears sort of sprouted open.

我的耳朵有點張開了。

You were curious, yeah.

你很好奇

When I heard that, I thought, wow.

當我聽到這個消息時，我想，哇。

Because I was the converted bachelor.

因為我是改邪歸正的單身漢。

But I grew up in a household that, you know, my mom wasn't a great homemaker.

但我是在這樣的家庭中長大的，你知道，我媽媽並不是一個出色的家庭主婦。

She was a great lady and she loved us dearly.

她是一位偉大的女士，她深愛著我們。

She wasn't much of a cook, you're saying?

你是說她不太會做飯？

She wasn't a cook.

她不是廚師

My dad would come home from the office hungry and exhausted.

我爸爸從辦公室回到家時又餓又累。

He would have to throw something together for us to eat.

他得給我們弄點吃的。

My mom would be in the garden all day.

我媽媽整天都會待在花園裡。

She had a green thumb.

她有一個綠色拇指。

She was a nature lady.

她是一位自然淑女。

So my best pal at the time when I grew up, I'd quite often go to my friend's house for dinner.

所以，在我長大的時候，我最好的朋友經常去我朋友家吃飯。

And his mother, she was an excellent cook.

他的母親是個出色的廚師。

And I just thought, well, if I ever get married one day, I want to get married to someone like my friend's mom.

我就想，如果有一天我結婚了，我也要嫁給像我朋友媽媽這樣的人。

And then when I heard Annie's friend talking about how Annie loved cooking, into cooking, I just thought if I was ever going to consider having a home, I would want someone who knows how to cook.

後來，當我聽到安妮的朋友說起安妮是如何熱愛烹飪、喜歡烹飪時，我就想，如果我想擁有一個家，我一定要找一個會做飯的人。

A great homemaker.

偉大的家庭主婦

Someone that would be happy staying home and taking care of the family.

一個樂於待在家裡照顧家人的人。

Did you become a thing from that trip?

那次旅行讓你變成了什麼？

Or did you just exchange information?

還是你們只是交換了資訊？

What happened?

怎麼了？

We just spoke.

我們剛談過。

Chatted or whatever.

哈拉什麼的

Chatted a bit.

聊了一會兒

I think when we got to Atlantic City, we went to the casino and boardwalk and just sort of hung out.

我想，當我們到了大西洋城，我們去了賭場和木板路，只是在那裡閒逛。

And then from that point, I would imagine she eventually went back to Taiwan, would be my thought.

從那以後，我想她最終還是回到了臺灣。

Did you date for a while in Toronto before?

你以前在多倫多約會過嗎？

Briefly, we hung out briefly in Toronto.

簡而言之，我們在多倫多有過短暫的交往。

We dated a couple of times.

我們約會過幾次。

And then you're right, she eventually went back to Taiwan.

然後你說得對，她最終回到了臺灣。

And then she came to visit me.

然後她就來看我了。

So 1999 we met.

於是 1999 年我們相遇了。

So we were married in 2001.

是以，我們於 2001 年結婚。

So the year that I came to Taiwan, which was 1999, is the year that you and Annie met on the bus.

所以我來臺灣的那一年，也就是 1999 年，就是你和安妮在巴士上相遇的那一年。

Yeah.

是啊

So 1999 was a significant year for both of us.

是以，1999 年對我們倆來說都是重要的一年。

In August of 2001, we married in Arizona.

2001 年 8 月，我們在亞利桑那州結婚。

Wow.

哇

We took a trip to Arizona.

我們去亞利桑那州旅行。

We married and did the Grand Canyon.

我們結婚後去了大峽谷。

Did you live together in Canada for a while or did you move? For how long?

你們是在加拿大共同生活了一段時間還是搬家了？ 住了多久？

Six years, yeah.

六年了

And then after that, you moved to Taiwan.

之後，你搬到了臺灣。

Yeah.

是啊

Was it your idea to move back to Taiwan or was it her idea or mutual? Your idea.

搬回臺灣是你的主意，還是她的主意，還是雙方的主意？ 你的主意。

Was she happy in Canada?

她在加拿大過得幸福嗎？

Annie was quite content in Canada. Okay, hold on.

安妮在加拿大很滿足。 好吧，等等

What was your first year visiting Taiwan?

您訪問臺灣的第一年是什麼時候？

I want to know that.

我想知道這一點。

So that had to be 2000.

所以那應該是 2000 年。

How long did you stay when you went the first time?

您第一次去的時候待了多久？

Just a week or two maybe.

也許就一兩個星期。

We spent some time in Kandang, the beach.

我們在坎當海灘度過了一段時間。

We rented scooters.

我們租了摩托車。

What was that like?

那是什麼感覺？

Was that your first time on a scooter?

這是你第一次騎摩托車嗎？

No, actually no.

不，事實上沒有。

No, I had a scooter in the 90s.

不，90 年代我有一輛踏板車。

So you already had a feel for these kind of vehicles.

所以，你已經對這類車輛有了感覺。

And I had been riding motorcycles ever since I was a teenager.

我從十幾歲起就開始騎摩托車。

I think being a professional driver, I just learned to read traffic.

我想，作為一名職業司機，我只是學會了察言觀色。

You can read the energy of the road or whatever.

你可以讀出道路的能量或其他什麼。

It had been my dream my whole life to live somewhere exotic.

生活在異國他鄉是我一生的夢想。

And whenever I had vacation, it was always somewhere warm.

每次休假，我都會去溫暖的地方。

My first trip was to Florida.

我的第一次旅行是去佛羅里達。

And then from there I would go to Barbados, St.

然後，我會從那裡去巴貝多、聖卡塔琳娜島、聖卡塔琳娜島、聖卡塔琳娜島、聖卡塔琳娜島和聖卡塔琳娜島。

Lucia, Jamaica, around the Caribbean.

加勒比海周邊的露西亞、牙買加。

I just loved being on the island.

我只是喜歡待在島上。

The smell of the island.

小島的味道

They grew sugarcane on the island.

他們在島上種植甘蔗。

It had a sweet smell to the air.

空氣中瀰漫著甜甜的味道。

The turquoise ocean, the white sand, the palm trees.

碧海、白沙、棕櫚樹。

It was paradise for me.

對我來說，這裡就是天堂。

No horrible Canadian winter.

沒有可怕的加拿大冬天

I think a lot of Canadians would say that about the winter, yeah.

我想很多加拿大人都會這麼說冬天，是的。

I was into motorcycles and the riding season is so short.

我對摩托車情有獨鍾，但騎行季節太短。

Insurance is so expensive.

保險太貴了。

Everything is so expensive in Canada.

加拿大什麼都貴。

I just thought, what the heck are we doing here?

我在想，我們到底在這裡幹什麼？

Let's move to Taiwan.

讓我們移步臺灣。

Let's pack everything up, sell everything off, and head to Taiwan.

讓我們收拾好一切，賣掉所有東西，前往臺灣。

Was it an easy move for you?

搬家對你來說容易嗎？

You were probably excited.

你可能很興奮。

It was very easy, very exciting for me.

這對我來說非常容易，非常激動人心。

Our initial plan was three years.

我們最初的計劃是三年。

We had two boys at the time.

當時我們有兩個兒子。

We had Adam and Aaron.

我們有亞當和亞倫。

You have three sons.

你有三個兒子

Your first two were born in Hamilton, Ontario.

您的前兩個孩子出生在安大略省的漢密爾頓。

And then the third one, Alfie, he was born in Taiwan.

第三個孩子叫阿爾菲，出生在臺灣。

Andy's family made it really easy for us.

安迪的家人為我們提供了很多便利。

Andy's father had rented or had bought a townhouse for us.

安迪的父親為我們租或買了一棟聯排別墅。

Let us use that. So when we came here, we basically...

讓我們利用這一點。 所以，當我們來到這裡時，我們基本上...

Your life was pretty set up for you.

你的生活已經為你安排好了。

Is there anything you would say about fatherhood that's made you a better father now versus the father that you were that you would want to share that is useful to someone listening?

與過去的父親相比，現在的父親讓你變得更好了，關於父親的身份，你有什麼想說的、對聽眾有用的話嗎？

I think the key is to having more patience.

我認為關鍵是要有更多的耐心。

Not losing your cool.

不失去冷靜

But we all go through it.

但我們都經歷過。

Every parent loses their cool, you know?

每個父母都會失去冷靜，你知道嗎？

It was tough for my first two boys because they were always fighting.

我的前兩個兒子很不聽話，因為他們總是打架。

Tooth and nail.

咬緊牙關

That's Jason's guy.

那是傑森的人

That drove me crazy.

這讓我抓狂。

They were in the backseat of the car.

他們坐在汽車後座上。

I'd be driving and they'd be fighting.

我開車，他們打架。

Bickering over everything.

事事爭吵

Some people say having two kids is like an army.

有人說，有兩個孩子就像一支軍隊。

But if you have a third, it's not a big change.

但如果你有第三個，變化就不大。

Do you agree with that?

你同意嗎？

When we first had Adam for the first couple of years, it was great.

我們剛有亞當的頭幾年，感覺非常好。

It was fantastic.

真是太棒了。

It seemed really easy and effortless.

這似乎真的很容易，毫不費力。

We just thought it was a fun trip.

我們只是覺得這是一次有趣的旅行。

Let's do it again.

讓我們再來一次。

Let's live it all over again.

讓我們重新開始吧

When they get to be young little tots, is when they start driving you crazy.

當他們長大成人後，就會開始讓你抓狂。

That's when you realize, Jesus, did I make a mistake?

這時你才會意識到，天哪，我是不是犯了錯？

Why did I do this?

我為什麼要這麼做？

Having one was so easy, but having two was tenfold.

有一個孩子很容易，但有兩個孩子就難上加難了。

How many years went by after your second son before you had your third son, which is the one you had here in Taiwan?

在您有了第二個兒子之後，又過了多少年才有了第三個兒子，也就是您在臺灣的這個兒子？

Quite a few years, right?

有好幾年了吧？

Was it an accident?

是意外嗎？

It wasn't planned.

這不是計劃好的。

I don't like the word accident.

我不喜歡 "意外 "這個詞。

It was unplanned.

這是計劃外的。

Was it challenging?

有挑戰性嗎？

When you have a baby, you just enjoy the different phases.

有了孩子之後，你就會享受不同階段的生活。

You enjoy all the process.

你享受所有的過程。

When they grow up so fast...

他們長得這麼快......

My middle son, Aaron, is 19 now.

我的中兒子亞倫已經 19 歲了。

He went from 12 to 19 in the blink of an eye.

轉眼間，他從 12 歲變成了 19 歲。

At 12, he was still a cute young boy.

12 歲的他還是個可愛的小男孩。

You would still read to him at night.

你晚上還會給他讀書。

Now he's a young man.

現在他是個年輕人了。

You have some interesting hobbies.

你有一些有趣的愛好。

Ever since I was a kid, I've always dreamt of flying.

從小到大，我一直夢想著飛翔。

If I ever die, I want to come back as a bird.

如果我死了，我想變成一隻鳥回來。

In the mid-80s, I enrolled in a hang gliding school in Ontario, Canada.

80 年代中期，我進入加拿大安大略省的一所滑翔學校學習。

I learned how to fly ultralights, and I loved it.

我學會了如何駕駛超輕型飛機，我喜歡它。

But then when I came to Taiwan, around 2012, my sister and her kids came to visit me.

但是，當我來到臺灣後，大約在 2012 年，我的姐姐和她的孩子們來看我。

And one of the things we decided to do for the day was to go paragliding. There's a paragliding...

我們決定今天要做的一件事就是去滑翔傘。 那裡有一個滑翔傘...

In San Diemen area?

在聖迭門地區？

I took a ground school and learned how to kite.

我參加了地面學校，學會了如何放風箏。

And then I started flying.

然後我開始飛行。

We would take off from the mountain and fly, getting ridge lift from the onshore breeze coming from the ocean.

我們從山上起飛，迎著從海上吹來的海風，在山脊上飛行。

And you could fly for hours.

你可以飛上幾個小時。

Without landing.

沒有著陸。