No, I'm not.

不，我沒有。

What are you?

你是什麼人？

I'm not dyslexic.

我沒有閱讀障礙。

Do you have a problem with reading or writing?

您在閱讀或寫作方面有問題嗎？

No, no, I don't.

不，不，我沒有。

And where did that come from?

這是從哪裡來的？

Well, I was labeled with it when I was seven years old and kind of lived with it my whole life.

我七歲時就被貼上了這個標籤，一輩子都帶著這個標籤生活。

And, you know, when I became a Scientologist back in 86, after 87, later on discovered also L.

而且，你知道，當我在 86 年成為山達基人時，在 87 年之後，後來也發現了 L。

Ron Humber developed study technology that actually to help me realize that that, you know, that the false labels that are out there.

羅恩-漢伯開發的研究技術，實際上是為了幫助我認識到，你知道，那些虛假的標籤是存在的。

You were never dyslexic?

你從來沒有閱讀障礙？

No.

不

Why did they label you?

他們為什麼給你貼標籤？

Because that's what they do.

因為這就是他們的工作。

Do you have trouble reading?

您有閱讀障礙嗎？

That's what they do.

這就是他們的工作。

No, and later on, I mean, now we have, you know, this technology that he developed that actually helps people to learn how to learn and discover that, you know, these, I've actually helped people that have been diagnosed with ADD, ADHD, and it's extraordinary what happens with this technology.

不，後來，我的意思是，現在我們有了，你知道，他開發的這項技術，實際上是幫助人們學習如何學習和發現，你知道，這些，我實際上已經幫助了那些被診斷出患有注意力缺失症、多動症的人，這項技術所發生的事情真是非同尋常。

We have centers all over the world now that help people get this technology.

現在，我們在世界各地都設有中心，幫助人們獲得這項技術。

And it's also in various schools and educated millions and millions and millions of people.

它還出現在各種學校中，教育了數百萬、數百萬、數百萬人。

I interviewed him once.

我採訪過他一次。

I know, you told me that.

我知道，是你告訴我的。

Great science, I'm a science fiction writer.

偉大的科學，我是科幻小說作家。

Wow, great, oh my God.

哇，太棒了，天哪

What drew you to Scientology?

是什麼吸引你加入科學教的？

Well.

好吧。

Did you grow up in a faith?

你是在信仰中長大的嗎？

Different faiths.

不同的信仰

Different faiths.

不同的信仰

And what drew me to it, it was so practical and it just made sense to me and things that I wanted to figure out my life.

它吸引我的地方在於，它非常實用，對我來說很有意義，也是我想要弄清自己生活的事情。

And I always, what I've discovered were the tools that helped me.

我總是發現，那些工具對我很有幫助。

You know, Scientology, the word means knowing how to know.

要知道，山達基這個詞的意思是 "知道如何知道"。

And there are tools that I use every day as an artist, as a businessman, you know, you look at it just this way.

作為一名藝術家和商人，我每天都在使用一些工具，你知道，你可以這樣看待它。

I was diagnosed being dyslexic.

我被診斷出患有閱讀障礙。

I came in, learned these tools.

我來到這裡，學會了這些工具。

And now I, you know, I mean, my literacy is, it is where it is and it'll go where I want it to go.

現在我，你知道，我的意思是，我的素養是，它就是它，它會去我想去的地方。

With these tools, it just kind of melts barriers, breaks them down and helps you to recognize and understand the barriers and then overcome them.

有了這些工具，它就能融化障礙，打破障礙，幫助你認識和理解障礙，然後克服它們。

And it's just.

就是這樣

You use it in every facet of your life.

你生活的方方面面都離不開它。

Yeah, because it is, there's areas, you know, you look at what we do with education, with helping people getting these tools.

是的，因為這是一個領域，你知道，你看看我們在教育方面做了什麼，幫助人們獲得這些工具。

If they're Christian, you know, they can read their Bible.

如果他們是基督徒，你知道，他們可以讀聖經。

If they're, you know, it doesn't matter, whatever faith.

如果他們是，你知道，這並不重要，不管是什麼信仰。

Atheist, whatever.

無神論者，隨便什麼。

Why is it so controversial?

它為何如此具有爭議性？

It's not that controversial.

這並沒有什麼爭議。

I mean, FBI looks at it.

我的意思是，聯邦調查局看著它。

No, it doesn't.

不，沒有。

To investigate it.

進行調查。

Remember that time they went, they wanted to raid their books.

記得他們去的那次，他們想搜刮他們的賬本。

Oh, that was, you're talking decades.

哦，那是幾十年前的事了。

Yeah.

是啊

Decades.

幾十年。

I mean, they tried to get them, not get a religious reduction.

我的意思是，他們試圖得到他們，而不是得到宗教的減少。

Well, that's all gone now.

現在一切都過去了。

I know.

我知道

I mean, it definitely, now it does have its religious. But it went through that.

我的意思是，它現在肯定有它的宗教信仰。 但它經歷了這一切。

It's definitely recognized as a religion.

它肯定被認定為一種宗教。

Well, it's new.

嗯，是新的。

It was a new religion.

這是一種新的宗教。

It's also, there's things that we do.

這也是我們要做的事情。

You know, you have to look at, you look at the services and the things that we help.

你知道，你必須看看我們提供的服務和幫助。

Narconon is something that LRH developed that helps people get off drugs.

Narconon 是 LRH 開發的一種幫助人們戒毒的東西。

And once you're off the drugs, you don't ever need those drugs again.

一旦停藥，你就再也不需要那些藥物了。

And it's the largest drug rehabilitation center in the world.

它是世界上最大的戒毒中心。

You look at Criminon that he developed and found, which actually helps to rehabilitate criminals and used in, you know, in some of the toughest prisons in South Africa.

你可以看看他開發和創立的 Criminon，它實際上有助於改造罪犯，並在南非一些最嚴酷的監獄中使用。

And those prisoners have never gone back to the prison.

這些囚犯再也沒有回過監獄。

You look at his, the moral, secular moral code that he wrote called the way to happiness that's used by, you know, communities in the world all over.

你看他寫的道德，世俗的道德準則，被稱為 "幸福之道"，你知道，全世界的社區都在使用。

These things, you know, anytime, where there's ignorance about something or people don't want to know about something, you know, it really gets back to gospel or just people don't know something.

這些事情，你知道，任何時候，如果人們對某件事情一無所知，或者人們不想知道某件事情，你知道，這就真的回到了福音，或者只是人們不知道某件事情。

There you have racism.

這就是種族主義。

There you have bigotry.

這就是偏執。

And that's where those things stem from.

這就是這些事情的根源。

But when people come in and see what it is, people thank me for the things that I contribute to and what we do.

但是，當人們走進來看到這一切時，他們會感謝我所做的貢獻和我們所做的一切。

You look at our volunteer ministers and how they helped at the World Trade Center.

你們看看我們的志願牧師，看看他們是如何在世貿中心提供幫助的。

Is it a faith?

這是一種信仰嗎？

Is it a faith?

這是一種信仰嗎？

It's an applied religious philosophy is what it is.

這就是一種應用宗教哲學。

It's a religion, but it's something that you apply to yourself.

它是一種宗教，但也是一種適用於自己的宗教。

You apply to life.

你適用於生活。

There is, I mean, it's such a wide range from business technology to help someone run their business better, tools that you use in your life that help improve conditions.

我的意思是，它的範圍很廣，從幫助別人更好地經營業務的商業技術，到你在生活中使用的有助於改善條件的工具。

We improve conditions.

我們改善條件。

And those are the things that we do.

這些就是我們要做的事情。

We educate people about the realities of drugs.

我們教育人們認識毒品的現實。

And it's an individual's choice, you know, and things and how you want to live your life.

這是個人的選擇，你知道的，還有你想要的生活方式。

What do you want from your life?

你想要什麼樣的生活？

Do you proselytize?

你會傳教嗎？

Do you try to get others to come into the movement or into the...

你是否試圖讓其他人加入到運動中或加入到...

Well, you know, I talk to people about it.

好吧，你知道，我和人們談論過這個問題。

I mean, if you know how to, I've actually personally educated people and helped them with the study technology to help get them off these vicious drugs that psychiatrists, so, you know, that they proselytize, you know, that they sell to people.

我的意思是，如果你知道怎麼做，實際上我已經親自教育過人們，幫助他們學習技術，幫助他們擺脫這些惡毒的藥物，精神病醫生，所以，你知道，他們改邪歸正，你知道，他們賣給人們。

Yeah, it's anti-psychiatric, right?

是的，它是抗精神病的，對嗎？

Most definitely.

當然。

Yeah, some have a hard time.

是的，有些人很難接受。

I mean, psychiatry doesn't work.

我是說，精神病學不管用。

You look at the things that psychiatry has brought to society.

看看精神病學給社會帶來了什麼吧。

We now are living in a time where we spend over $700 billion a year on education, psych-driven, and where are we?

我們現在生活在一個每年花費 7000 多億美元用於教育的時代，在心理驅動下，我們在哪裡？

We have still a decline in illiteracy.

我們的文盲率仍在下降。

We know that electroconvulsive shock therapy, drugging people, okay, with these vicious drugs.

我們知道，電休克療法，給人下藥，好吧，用這些惡毒的藥物。

When Prozac came out, it had the biggest, I mean, in the first few months or year, it had 14,000 complaints on that drug, yet it's still out there.

百憂解問世時，它的銷量最大，我是說，在頭幾個月或頭一年，就有 1.4 萬件關於這種藥的投訴，但它仍然存在。

You look at Paxil, okay, that's now banned in the United Kingdom for under 18 because of the vicious side effects of those drugs.

你看看帕克西爾（Paxil），好吧，由於這些藥物的惡性副作用，英國現在已經禁止18歲以下的人服用了。

So here we talk about things that we know, okay, if someone can't read, we know that we can give them these tools and help them to read.

是以，我們在這裡談論的是我們知道的事情，好吧，如果有人不會閱讀，我們知道我們可以給他們提供這些工具，幫助他們閱讀。

And it doesn't matter what religion you are, these things work.

不管你信仰什麼宗教，這些東西都能發揮作用。

If you're on drugs, we can help get you off drugs.

如果您正在吸毒，我們可以幫助您戒毒。

If you're a criminal, there's technology that he developed to help you not be a criminal.

如果你是罪犯，他開發的技術可以幫助你不成為罪犯。