Several agencies, though, have already told workers not to comply.

不過，一些機構已經告訴工人不要遵守規定。

Elon Musk, taken to X on Saturday, posting, consistent with President Trump's instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last week.

埃隆-馬斯克（Elon Musk）週六在 X 上發帖稱，根據特朗普總統的訓示，所有聯邦僱員很快就會收到一封電子郵件，要求瞭解他們上週都做了些什麼。

Failure to respond will be taken as a resignation.

未回覆將被視為辭職。

South Carolina Congressman Ralph Norman joins me now.

南卡羅來納州眾議員拉爾夫-諾曼（Ralph Norman）現在加入我們的談話。

And Congressman, look, putting aside the legality of that last part from Musk's post on X, the fact that people are going to be terminated, the lawyer in me says that can't happen just based upon a tweet.

國會議員，你看，拋開馬斯克在 X 上發佈的最後一部分的合法性不談，事實上，人們將被解僱，我這個律師說，這不可能只發生在一條推特上。

But focusing on the bigger picture, shouldn't federal workers that have their job because of our taxpayer dollars be able to find five simple things that they did at work in the last week?

但從大處著眼，聯邦工作人員的工作是由納稅人的錢換來的，難道他們不應該找出上週在工作中做的五件簡單的事情嗎？

Well, Todd, you know, if you look at this, there are roughly three million federal workers.

好吧，託德，你知道，如果你看看這個，有大約300萬聯邦工作人員。

The price tag that the taxpayers pay is right at $271 billion a year.

納稅人每年付出的代價高達 2 710 億美元。

Is it too much to ask for them to verify why they're making an average salary of $106,000 a year?

讓他們證實一下為什麼他們的平均年薪是 106 000 美元，這個要求過分嗎？

Do you think in the private sector that that single mom who is working two jobs at a restaurant can't justify where she was or the hygienist at the dentist's office can't verify what, you know, how many patients they saw?

你認為在私營部門，在餐館打兩份工的單身母親不能證明她在哪裡，或者牙醫診所的衛生員不能證實，你知道，他們看了多少病人？

The absurdity and I guess the arrogance of the workers who says that's a heavy lift is what's wrong with the—that's what the Americans are sick and tired of.

荒謬的是，我想，那些說這是一項艱鉅任務的工人的傲慢正是美國人所厭惡和厭倦的。

It's not their money.

這不是他們的錢。

We're the ones who are paying the bills.

我們才是付賬單的人。

We have a right to know.

我們有知情權。

And Elon Musk is—you know, he's—the numbers don't lie on what he's finding out.

埃隆-馬斯克--你知道，他發現的數字不會說謊。

And again, it's a great day, and this is going to be transformational for America to finally realize what these federal employees are doing, and many of them are good and can verify it.

再說一遍，這是一個偉大的日子，這對美國來說將是一個變革，讓美國人最終認識到這些聯邦僱員在做什麼，他們中的許多人都是好樣的，可以證實這一點。

But to threaten to quit and for the labor unions to suggest that they not provide it, well, then risk losing your job.

但是，如果威脅要辭職，工會又建議他們不提供這種服務，那麼你就有可能丟掉工作。

Well, it's such a sense of entitlement.

嗯，這是一種權利感。

And you see it.

你也看到了。

They post it on social media.

他們在社交媒體上發佈這些資訊。

You see it on other media outlets.

你在其他媒體上也能看到。

They feel entitled to these jobs.

他們覺得自己有權獲得這些工作。

And they're very upset when people ask them to justify ultimately what they're doing.

當人們要求他們最終為自己的所作所為辯解時，他們會非常生氣。

They don't seem to get that in the private sector, this is par for the course.

他們似乎不明白，在私營部門，這是理所當然的。

You consistently have to justify what you do.

你必須始終如一地為自己的所作所為辯解。

And that's just how it works.

事情就是這樣。

But the left not a fan of this, of course.

當然，左派對此並不感冒。

Democrat Senator Tina Smith ripping Musk's email, quote, this is the ultimate bleep boss move from Musk, except he isn't even the boss.

民主黨參議員蒂娜-史密斯撕毀了馬斯克的電子郵件，引述道：這是馬斯克的終極 "嗶嗶 "老闆舉動，只不過他根本不是老闆。

He's just a bleep.

他只是個嗶嗶。

I bet a lot of people have had an experience like this with a bad boss.

我敢打賭，很多人都有過這樣的經歷，遇到了一個壞老闆。

There's an email in your inbox on Saturday night saying, prove to me your worthiness by Monday or else I'm on the side of the workers, not the billionaire bleep bosses.

週六晚上，你的收件箱裡就會收到一封電子郵件，上面寫著：週一之前向我證明你的價值，否則我就站在工人一邊，而不是億萬富翁老闆一邊。

At this point, Congressman, who causes the left to lose their minds more, Trump or Musk?

在這一點上，議員先生，特朗普和馬斯克誰更容易讓左派失去理智？

Well, I think it's a combination.

我認為這是一個組合。

You know, it's the genius of both Trump and Musk who are, the American people are excited about what's going on.

你知道，特朗普和馬斯克都是天才，美國人民對正在發生的事情感到興奮。

They finally have a control of something that they feel like we've lost control, particularly with federal workers.

他們終於控制了一些他們覺得我們已經失去控制的東西，尤其是聯邦工作人員。

And again, the average salary is $106,000, Todd, a year.

同樣，託德，平均年薪為 106,000 美元。

And is it, again, to justify where you are, what you do for the last week?

這是否又是為了證明你在哪裡，你上週做了什麼？

In the private sector, that would be a, they would gladly provide that information because, again, it's the taxpayers paying the bill for the federal workers.

在私營部門，他們會很樂意提供這些資訊，因為同樣是納稅人為聯邦工作人員買單。

And in the private sector, you do that every day or you don't exist, you don't keep your business going.

而在私營部門，你每天都要這樣做，否則你就不存在，你的業務就無法維持下去。

Meantime, you are on the House Rules Committee.

同時，你是眾議院規則委員會的成員。

They are meeting today on the GOP budget plan.

他們今天將就美國共和黨的預算計劃召開會議。

Should we take anything from the fact that the Rules Committee is meeting as a sign that maybe we are close to a deal or is that just wishful thinking, Congressman?

國會議員，我們是否應該從規則委員會召開會議這一事實中得到什麼啟示，以表明我們可能即將達成協議，或者這只是一廂情願的想法？

No, I'm on the Rules Committee and we'll be meeting today for probably four hours or more, which flying day we do.

不，我是規則委員會的成員，我們今天的會議可能要開四個多小時，我們每天都在開會。

No, I think it's a positive sign that it's going to go on the floor Tuesday, hopefully.

不，我認為這是一個積極的信號，它將在週二進行討論，希望如此。

And, you know, this is a big deal.

要知道，這可是件大事。

It came out of what will be proposed, came out of the Budget Committee unanimously among

它是預算委員會一致通過的建議。

Republicans.

共和黨人

And so I think, I think we're going to get it across the finish line now.

是以，我認為，我認為我們現在就要把它完成了。

One of the issues that is definitely getting a lot of attention is potential cuts to Medicaid, at least that's what the left is saying.

至少左派是這麼說的。

Here's your colleague, Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan, setting the record straight on that.

您的同事、俄亥俄州眾議員吉姆-喬丹（Jim Jordan）將對此作出澄清。

We're not looking to make cuts to Medicaid, but certainly work requirements are something that I don't view as cuts.

我們不希望削減醫療補助，但工作要求肯定不是我認為的削減。

Work requirements are just common sense.

工作要求只是常識。

Cut taxes, cut some, some spending, help the national defense and secure the border.

減稅，削減一些開支，幫助國防，確保邊境安全。

Congressman, will work requirements be part of whatever the final law is?

議員先生，無論最終的法律是什麼，工作要求會是其中的一部分嗎？

Absolutely.

當然。

And that's one of the great things, as Jim said, that's not a cut.

正如吉姆所說，這是最偉大的事情之一，它不需要切割。

You got to realize Medicaid has grown since 2019 to 23, 51 percent from 400 billion up to over 600 billion.

你必須意識到，醫療補助計劃自 2019 年以來已增長了 23%，從 4000 億增長到 6000 多億，增長了 51%。

So the left is going to say that it's going to be cuts.

所以左派會說要削減開支。

It's not.

不是這樣的。

Hopefully we can get block grants to the states and let them decide on how it's allocated.

希望我們能向各州提供整筆撥款，讓他們決定如何分配。

But it's not a cut.

但這不是削減。

As he said, you know, is, is having a job and being able-bodied to work, it should be checked on.

正如他所說的，你知道，有一份工作，並且能夠工作，就應該檢查一下。

And it's like what Musk is doing.

就像馬斯克正在做的那樣。

We have to verify that because they're getting a check from we the people.

我們必須核實這一點，因為他們拿的是我們人民的支票。

And it's our money.

這是我們的錢。

Congressman Ralph Norman, thank you for your time getting up with us.

拉爾夫-諾曼議員，感謝您抽出時間接受我們的採訪。

We appreciate it.

我們對此表示感謝。

Thank you.

謝謝。