Like having that team together is such a unique team where you have prominent former Democrats, former eight time Democrat for eight years, Democrat

這個團隊是一個獨特的團隊，其中有著名的前民主黨人，有八年任期的前民主黨人，有民主黨人

Congresswoman, who also served overseas in a medical unit twice.

她曾兩次在海外醫療隊服役。

Like this is an extraordinary group of human beings.

就像這是一群非凡的人。

Extraordinary group of human beings, all of whom I think took very real risks.

這群非凡的人，我認為他們都冒了非常大的風險。

Oh yeah.

哦，是的。

At the very least with their reputations.

至少是他們的聲譽。

Well, Tulsi got put on a terrorist watch list.

圖爾西被列入了恐怖分子監視名單。

Of course.

當然。

Which is fucking crazy.

這太他媽瘋狂了。

And it was a gamble.

這是一場賭博。

Each of these people, you know, Kennedy, Musk, Tulsi, they knew that they were taking that risk and it was clear that they were motivated by patriotism.

這些人中的每一個，你知道，肯尼迪、馬斯克、圖爾西，他們都知道自己在冒這個險，很明顯，他們的動機是愛國主義。

That they actually, I mean, this is what a soldier does, right?

他們實際上，我的意思是，這是一個阿兵哥做什麼，對不對？

You know that you're taking risks for something that matters more than you.

你知道，你是在為比你更重要的事情冒險。

Yes.

是的。

And, you know, to watch Elon do it, I think also was just remarkable because of course, in Elon's position, he could, he could have done, you know, what

而且，你知道，看著埃隆這樣做，我覺得也是非常了不起的，因為當然，以埃隆的地位，他可以，他可以做，你知道，什麼

Zuckerberg does, right.

扎克伯格就是這麼做的，沒錯。

And he could have played it safe and kept his options open and done what he was told and then, you know, apologize for it later, sort of, right.

他本可以安分守己，不做任何選擇，按照別人的吩咐去做，然後，你知道的，事後再道歉，算是吧。

That wasn't what Musk did.

馬斯克可不是這麼做的。

He actually had the courage of his convictions.

實際上，他有勇氣堅定自己的信念。

A, as many people have noted, his liberation of X set the stage for this election to even happen, that there wasn't anything you could put over on us that we couldn't unpack and, you know, crowdsource a better interpretation of on X.

正如許多人所指出的，他對 X 的解放為這次選舉的舉行創造了條件，你可以把任何東西加在我們身上，而我們卻無法解讀，你知道，眾包對 X 有更好的詮釋。

And even if most people weren't on X, it was enough that they, their narrative engine just didn't work.

即使大多數人不支持 X，也足以說明他們的敘事引擎無法正常工作。

Right.

對

And if you look at a viral post on X, a viral post about something that's very important, like that has to do with USAID, you will see 7 million, 8 million views, 10 million views.

如果你看 X 上的一個病毒性帖子，一個關於非常重要的事情的病毒性帖子，比如與美國國際開發署（USAID）有關的帖子，你會看到 700 萬、800 萬、1000 萬的瀏覽量。

There is nothing equivalent like that to mainstream media.

與主流媒體相比，沒有任何媒體能與之相提並論。

There's nothing even close.

沒有任何東西能與之媲美。

There's nothing even close.

沒有任何東西能與之媲美。

Maybe a very viral YouTube clip, but these are every day, all day long.

也許這只是 YouTube 上的一個病毒式短片，但這些短片每天都在上演。

There's posts that have 7 million, 5 million, 3 million, and people are reposting them as well and sharing them and taking the information and posting them, you know, without credit.

有的帖子有 700 萬、500 萬、300 萬條，人們也在轉發、分享、獲取信息併發布，你知道，這些都沒有註明出處。

There's a lot of that going on.

這種情況很多。

So there's the actual amount of the information that gets out is far more than it would have ever happened without Elon taking over Twitter.

是以，如果沒有埃隆接管推特，實際發佈的信息量要比現在多得多。

It probably, it's probably changed the course of our civilization in a way that nothing else could have done.

它很可能改變了我們的文明進程，這是其他任何東西都無法做到的。

Yes.

是的。

And I think it's a little bit deceptive because its size doesn't quite explain its impact, but it's a little bit like the higher reasoning centers of the brain.

我認為它有點欺騙性，因為它的大小並不能完全解釋它的影響，但它有點像大腦的高級推理中心。

Like there's a collective consciousness in which we figure out what we think is true.

就像有一種集體意識，我們在其中找出我們認為真實的東西。

And it's been downstream of this amazing propaganda engine.

它一直是這一神奇宣傳引擎的下游。

Well, we're now learning to spot the propaganda and to understand what it really means and to figure out what it's cloaking.

好了，我們現在要學會識別宣傳，瞭解它的真正含義，弄清楚它在掩蓋什麼。

And a lot of that is happening on Twitter because it can, and it's actually forcing, you know, Facebook to come around.

很多事情都發生在推特上，因為它可以，而且它實際上也在迫使，你知道的，臉譜網回心轉意。

Right.

對

Right.

對

Which of course, you know, I usually say that zero is a special number, meaning in a world with no social media platforms where you can speak freely and reason with others, there's no pressure to start doing that.

當然，你知道，我通常會說 "零 "是一個特殊的數字，這意味著在一個沒有社交媒體平臺的世界裡，你可以暢所欲言，與他人講道理，沒有任何壓力讓你開始這樣做。

But once you have one, any social media platform that doesn't allow you to speak free freely, is it a competitive disadvantage?

但是，一旦你擁有了一個社交媒體平臺，任何一個社交媒體平臺都不允許你暢所欲言，這是不是一種競爭劣勢呢？

And so, you know, Elon freeing X actually liberated the others and they were beginning to move in the right direction, which frankly is part of why this era just feels different.

是以，你知道，埃隆解放了 X，實際上也解放了其他人，他們開始朝著正確的方向前進，坦率地說，這也是為什麼這個時代讓人感覺與眾不同的部分原因。

Here's the thing.

事情是這樣的

What's what sitting politicians need to do right now is they need to have honest reflection.

現任政治家們現在需要做的是進行誠實的反思。

If the American people have become so disillusioned in our politicians that we're willing to let the richest guy on the planet, it's not even from here, come in and do sweeping firings of all the government agencies.

如果美國人民已經對我們的政客失望透頂，以至於我們願意讓這個星球上最富有的人，甚至不是這裡的人，來對所有政府機構進行大清洗。

That's not a reflection on him.

這不是對他的反思。

That's a reflection of you guys in power and how disillusioned we have become and how untrustworthy we are or how untrustworthy you are.

這反映了你們這些當權者，反映了我們已經變得多麼幻滅，反映了我們是多麼不可信，或者說你們是多麼不可信。

We've lost faith in you guys and your ability to command our government spending. So now we're willing to let this stranger come in and just start firing people willy nilly.

我們對你們失去了信心 對你們指揮政府開支的能力失去了信心所以現在我們願意讓這個陌生人進來 然後開始隨意解僱人

You have to reinstill our faith.

你必須重塑我們的信仰。

You don't do that by going rich, bad guy, bad guy, rich.

要想做到這一點，就不能靠 "發財"、"變壞"、"變壞"、"發財"。

Well, poor politicians also bad.

嗯，窮政客也不好。

So who the fuck can we trust?

那我們到底能相信誰？

For weeks, Musk has boasted about slashing the federal workforce, appearing at a conservative conference with a chainsaw in hand.

幾周來，馬斯克一直吹噓要裁減聯邦工作人員，並手持電鋸出現在一個保守派會議上。

The chainsaw for bureaucracy.

官僚主義的電鋸

You're right. But to that point, there are.

你說得對。但就這一點而言，是有的。

Y'all got to do better.

你們要做得更好。

Why? Why are you waiting for this guy to come in and fire some people or reorganize some shit? Why aren't you guys doing this?

為什麼？為什麼你們要等著這傢伙來炒人魷魚 或者重組什麼鬼東西？你們為什麼不這麼做？

Why isn't there a committee every single year?

為什麼每年都沒有委員會？

Why the fuck haven't we audited the Pentagon once?

為什麼我們一次都沒有審計過五角大樓？

This other thing about Elon, Elon's going to steal everybody's money.

關於埃隆的另一件事，埃隆會偷走所有人的錢。

He has four hundred billion dollars.

他有四千億美元。

I'm telling you, he's not going to steal your money.

我告訴你，他不會偷你的錢。

I'm telling you, that's not what he's doing.

我告訴你，他不是這麼做的。

What he's doing is he's a super genius that's been fucked with.

他所做的就是把自己變成一個被人玩弄於股掌之間的超級天才。

OK. And when you've been fucked with by these nitwits that hide behind three letter agencies and you're dealing with one of the smartest people alive and he helps Donald

好吧當你被這些躲在三字母機構後面的笨蛋耍得團團轉時 而你面對的是最聰明的人之一，他幫助了唐納德

Trump get in office and he goes, I want to find out what kind of corruption is really around. Well, you fucked up.

特朗普上臺後，他說，我想看看周圍到底有哪些腐敗現象。好吧，你搞砸了。

You fucked up and picked the wrong psychopath on the spectrum because he's going to fuck it. He's going to hunt you down.

你搞砸了，選錯了變態狂，因為他會搞砸的。他會追殺你

He's going to find out what's going on.

他要去查個水落石出。

And that's good.

這很好。

That's good for everybody.

這對大家都有好處。

That's how you should be looking at this.

你應該這樣看待這個問題。

Like, wow, we have a brilliant mind that is examining these really fucking corrupt and goofy systems and bringing in a bunch of psychopath wizards.

就像，哇，我們有一個聰明的頭腦，正在研究這些真他媽的腐敗和愚蠢的系統，並帶來了一群心理變態的奇才。

Yeah, well, AOC is the one that says he's he's the most unintelligent person she's ever met. This dude is probably one of the most unintelligent billionaires I have ever met or seen or witnessed.

是啊，AOC 就是那個說他是她見過的最不聰明的人。這傢伙可能是我見過或見過或目睹過的最不聰明的億萬富翁之一。

Did she really say that? She really said that.

她真的那麼說了嗎？她真的那麼說了

Wow. I want to meet her friends.

哇哦我想見見她的朋友們

They're probably cool. Imagine the conversation you'd have with her friends.

他們可能很酷。想象一下你和她朋友的對話吧。

If he's the most unintelligent person she's ever met.

如果他是她見過的最不聰明的人。

Wow. Her friends must be amazing.

哇哦她的朋友們一定很了不起。

I want to go to one of those parties.

我也想參加這樣的派對。

It's probably just like fascinating person after fascinating person.

這可能就像一個又一個迷人的人。

First thing, just discussing Doge really quickly.

第一件事，快速討論一下都督。

I think that there are very few Americans that would say that they do not support a reduction in waste and inefficiency.

我認為，很少有美國人會說他們不支持減少浪費和低效。

Correct. Especially when it comes to government institutions.

正確。尤其是在涉及政府機構時。

So this is a bipartisan measure that Americans are supportive of.

是以，這是一項美國兩黨都支持的措施。

Doge has become incredibly partisan.

Doge 已經變得無比偏袒。

First, can you tell me why you think that is?

首先，你能告訴我為什麼你會這麼想嗎？

I think it is about wars of credibility, of institutions and of process.

我認為這是一場信譽、機構和程序的戰爭。

So something I think is.

我的想法是

What does that mean?

這是什麼意思？

It's just really.

真的

And speak to me emotionally.

並與我進行情感交流。

Like, why? Why does.

比如，為什麼？為什麼？

I'm not talking about like politically why it has.

我說的不是政治上的原因。

I'm talking about why the average person on Twitter feels compelled to be so critical of Doge.

我說的是，為什麼 Twitter 上的普通人不得不對 Doge 如此挑剔。

Like, what do you think is what being communicated to them?

比如，你認為他們得到了什麼資訊？

And why are they having such a knee jerk reaction to it, knowing that they do want to reduce government efficiency for them?

他們明知自己確實想降低政府對他們的效率，為什麼還會對此做出如此過激的反應呢？

It's about Elon's complete and total judgment over this.

這與埃隆對此事的完全徹底的判斷有關。

They don't trust Elon.

他們不信任埃隆。

I would say that's it.

我想說就是這樣。

So is that fair?

這樣公平嗎？

Yeah, I do think it's fair.

是的，我認為這很公平。

I do think it's fair.

我認為這很公平。

What's the steel man against the steel man against Doge is that you have a person who is unelected by the United States, who is a sole power over what gets cut, which violates the Constitution because the Constitution, the power of the purse is within Congress.

鋼鐵俠反對鋼鐵俠反對都督的原因在於，你有一個未經美國選舉產生的人，他是唯一有權決定削減什麼的人，這違反了《憲法》，因為《憲法》規定，財政大權屬於國會。

Congress gets to decide what programs get cut or not.

國會有權決定削減或不削減哪些項目。

He is, according to them, illegally shutting off and doing these things and also at times has conflicts, major conflicts of interest in many of the decisions.

據他們說，他非法關閉並做了這些事情，而且有時在許多決策中還存在利益衝突、重大利益衝突。

What is an example of those?

這些例子是什麼？

The perfect example is right now.

現在就是最好的例子。

State Department was my friend Ryan Grimm.

國務院是我的朋友瑞安-格林姆。

He works with us at Breaking Points, broke a story about there was originally going to be some State Department contract awarded to Tesla for I forget the number.

他和我們一起在 "突破點 "工作，曾報道過國務院原本要將一份合同授予特斯拉，具體數目我忘了。

It was like maybe four million or something after Trump got elected.

特朗普當選後，大概有四百萬人左右。

That contract went up to 400 million for Tesla's armed up Cybertrucks.

特斯拉全副武裝的 Cybertrucks 的合同金額高達 4 億美元。

And then they actually took the word Tesla off the Web site and changed it to electric vehicle. Now, OK, but it's not great.

然後，他們真的把特斯拉這個詞從網站上刪掉了，改成了電動汽車。現在，好了，但這並不好。

It's not great. So this is this is this is good.

這不是很好。所以這就是這就是好。

Before we move on.

在我們繼續之前

Yeah, we got to appease people emotionally who see things like this and go, hey, this doesn't feel constitutional.

是的，我們得從情感上安撫那些看到這樣的事情就會說 "嘿，這感覺不符合憲法 "的人。

Right. This feels manipulative.

對這感覺像是在操縱

We feel taken advantage of.

我們覺得被佔了便宜。

I feel like there's a lot of gaslighting going on.

我覺得這裡面有很多氣話。

And as much as we all agree, we want to reduce government efficiency.

儘管我們都同意，我們希望降低政府效率。

I mean, like Akash hilariously says that every single week here, he's just like, fire them all like a government job.

我的意思是，就像阿卡什搞笑地說，在這裡的每一個星期，他只是喜歡，解僱他們所有像政府工作。

Ninety eight percent of them can go.

百分之九十八的人都能去。

Yeah. So, yeah.

是的，所以，是的。所以，是的。

So ninety nine.

所以是九十九。

There is there is that feeling, but we have to give some credence to a situation like that. And there might be more context.

是有這種感覺，但我們必須對這種情況給予一定的信任。而且可能還有更多的背景。

There might be a more nuanced take to it.

也許還有更細微的看法。

I get it. Maybe Elon could describe it.

我明白了。也許埃隆可以描述一下。

Sure. But on the surface, people acting, reacting emotionally to it.

當然，但從表面上看，人們在行動，在情感上對其做出反應。

That does look like corruption in another way.

從另一個角度看，這確實像是腐敗。

Yeah. Like the Charlemagne thing.

是啊就像查理曼大帝的事

I heard I heard your argument about that.

我聽說我聽到了你的說法。

What was that? Well, I thought it was interesting where you were like, hey, when if you're a cop and you come to me and I'm like, yo, don't look in the basement, you're like, there's some shit in the fucking there's some shit in the basement.

那是什麼？我覺得你說的很有意思 如果你是個警察 你來找我 我就會說 別看地下室 你就會說 他媽的地下室有屎

A hundred percent. So but also just the idea of like government spending.

百分之百。所以，但也只是像政府支出的想法。

Yeah. Going to certain people like this happens on like a municipal level where like the mayor is friends with the person that has the construction company and that construction company gets the rebuilding project for the local bridge.

是啊去找某些人，就像這種情況發生在市政層面，比如市長和擁有建築公司的人是朋友，而建築公司獲得了當地橋樑的重建項目。

Right. And then he gets a kickback.

對然後他拿回扣

Right. Now we know that that's a form of corruption.

對現在我們知道這是一種腐敗。

When we see this, it's OK for someone to look at and be like, that kind of feels like the corruption you're trying to scrub out.

當我們看到這一點時，如果有人看了會覺得，這有點像你要清除的腐敗。

Yeah. Now he might make the best vehicle for that job.

是啊現在他可能是最合適的人選了

Yeah. It might be right to increase that spending.

是的，增加支出也許是對的。

Right. But I also need some transparency there.

好吧。但我也需要一些透明度。

And you need to come out ahead of it, not wipe Tesla off the car.

你需要走在它前面，而不是把特斯拉從車上擦掉。

You need to come out ahead of it and gain my trust as an American and go, hey, this was the original deal. This amount was going to be spent over here.

你需要先行一步，贏得我作為美國人的信任，並告訴我，嘿，這是最初的協議。這筆錢會花在這裡。

We think that this is better for these reasons.

我們認為這樣做更好，原因如下。

And that's why more money is spent there.

這就是為什麼要在那裡花更多的錢。

And I totally get why you think this looks like a favor handed over.

我完全理解你為什麼會覺得這看起來像是施捨的恩惠。

Right. Like, stop.

對比如，停

The American people are done being lied to.

美國人民受夠了謊言。

Yeah. And when we see shit like that, we have such little trust.

是啊當我們看到這樣的事情時，我們的信任就會減少。

It's almost like a girl who gets cheated on by every boy.

這幾乎就像一個女孩被每個男孩欺騙一樣。

They kind of should have little trust.

他們的信任度應該很低。

Yeah, they're not wrong. They're correct.

是的，他們沒有錯。他們是對的

So like what Elon is doing.

我很喜歡埃隆的做法。

Right. So if Elon has aligned himself clearly in a huge way with the right and now is running Doge, right, the Department of Government Efficiency.

沒錯所以，如果埃隆已經結盟 顯然在一個巨大的方式與右 現在正在運行Doge，右， 政府效率部。

Doge, that is the White House's Department of Government Efficiency, led by Elon Musk.

杜奇，那是由埃隆-馬斯克上司的白宮政府效率部。

The N also has X that he's turning X into a platform that rivals not just social media platforms, but video platforms like YouTube.

N 還有 X，他要把 X 打造成一個不僅能與社交媒體平臺媲美，還能與 YouTube 等視頻平臺相媲美的平臺。

They get insane amounts of videos of views rather on videos that are on X.

他們獲得了大量的視頻瀏覽量，而不是 X 上的視頻。

And then you can get paid by X.

然後你就可以通過 X 獲得報酬。

Yeah. And then they're talking about having some sort of like X monetary system, you know, like a doesn't WeChat have something like that?

是啊然後他們又說要搞什麼 X 貨幣系統，你知道，微信不就有類似的東西嗎？

They have money built into it.

它們都有錢。

So what's to stop that motherfucker from having a phone?

那麼，是什麼阻止了那個混蛋擁有手機呢？

I keep asking him. I said, dude, I've been seeing all these articles about you.

我一直在問他我說，老兄，我一直在看關於你的文章。

Making a phone. Have you ever thought about it?

打電話。你想過嗎？

It's not something we we want to do unless unless we we have to.

這不是我們想做的事，除非我們不得不做。

He goes, I hope I don't have to make a phone.

他說，我希望不用打電話。

It's very difficult to make a phone.

打電話非常困難。

He said he wants to make a phone.

他說他想打個電話。

No, he didn't. Well, he's polled.

不，他沒有。他接受過民意調查

Would people buy a phone if he made one?

如果他做了一款手機，人們會購買嗎？

Yeah. Just to fuck around.

是啊只是為了亂搞

He's not interested in making a phone.

他對打電話不感興趣。

He doesn't want to make every time Elon fucks around.

他不想每次都讓伊隆胡來。

It ends up happening.

結果還是發生了。

Well, he could make a phone.

他可以打電話

He would be the only guy that would break us out of the blue bubble paradigm.

他是唯一能讓我們擺脫藍色保麗龍模式的人。

Do you see the Elon protests?

你看到埃隆的抗議了嗎？

They're protesting Elon.

他們在抗議埃隆

They're literally standing out there with signs that say arrest Elon Musk.

他們就站在外面，舉著逮捕埃隆-馬斯克的牌子。

Listen, I guarantee it's organized.

聽著，我保證它是有組織的。

I guarantee it's organized by the same people that are going to lose a shitload of money based on all these discoveries at Doge.

我敢保證，組織者就是那些會因為在 Doge 的這些發現而損失慘重的人。

There's no way they're not.

他們不可能不知道。

If you look at what Doge is uncovering, what they're uncovering with this USAID stuff, a lot of that stuff was organizing through NGOs, protests.

如果你看看 Doge 發現了什麼，他們發現了什麼美國國際開發署的東西，很多東西都是通過非政府組織、抗議活動組織起來的。

They organized the attempt at getting Trump impeached.

他們組織了企圖彈劾特朗普的行動。

I thought you were going to say killed.

我以為你要說被殺了。