Name: 馬杜羅下臺後，誰在執掌委內瑞拉？又能持續多久？| DW 重點新聞 (Who is running Venezuela now that Maduro is gone ... and for how long | DW News)
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Meanwhile, the streets of Caracas were largely deserted in the aftermath of Maduro's seizure, which has thrown the country into uncertainty.

與此同時，馬杜羅掌權後，加拉加斯的街道大多空無一人，國家陷入了不確定之中。

Many say the US Strikes came as a surprise and they're not sure what Maduro's capture means for their future.

許多人表示，這次美國罷工來得毫無預警，他們也不確定馬杜羅被捕對他們的未來意味著什麼。

Let's bring in journalist Noris Soto, who joins us from Caracas.

讓我們連線記者諾里斯·索托，她從加拉加斯加入我們。

很高興妳能加入我們，諾里斯。

It's been a quite a day, but that day is now over.

這真是戲劇性的一天，但那一天已經過去了。

Since Maduro's capture, has the first shock worn off in Venezuela?

自從馬杜羅被捕後，委內瑞拉的第一波震驚是否已經過去了？

Well, it's really early in the morning in Venezuela.

嗯，現在是委內瑞拉非常早的早晨。

現在是早上七點，氣氛是種不安的平靜。

I mean, you see images of other countries, Venezuelans in other countries celebrating these, this event that happened yesterday.

我是說，你們看到其他國家、在其他國家的委內瑞拉人慶祝昨天發生的這件事的畫面。

But it contrasts a lot with what's happening here in Caracas.

但這跟加拉加斯這裡發生的事，形成了很大的對比。

Streets are empty and you cannot hear celebrations, but neither you can see riots or protest.

街上空蕩蕩的，聽不到慶祝的聲音，但也看不到暴動或抗議。

Big protests against this decision from the U.S.

針對美國這項決定的重大抗議。

also, you can see a little group of people gathering around Miraflores palace, which is, you know, the presidential palace.

另外，你們可以看到一小群人聚集在米拉弗洛雷斯宮周圍，那就是，你知道的，總統府。

But it's a small group of supporters of Maduro who are demanding him to him for him to be brought back to Venezuela.

但那是一小群馬杜羅的支持者，他們要求把他帶回委內瑞拉。

There's nothing more happening in Caracas at the moment.

目前加拉加斯沒有其他事情發生。

On Saturday, we saw small protests from Maduro supporters in Caracas.

週六，我們在加拉加斯看到馬杜羅支持者的小規模抗議。

Do you expect much resistance from them beyond that small gathering that you were mentioning?

你預期他們除了你提到的那個小聚集之外，還會有什麼樣的強烈抵抗嗎？

I think that people are still expecting to see how these transition, controlled by the US and led by Dulce Rodriguez, will unfold in the coming days.

我覺得大家還在等著看，由美國控制、杜爾塞·羅德里格斯領導的這些過渡，接下來幾天會怎麼發展。

I see people trying to resume their daily life as soon as possible because we are in a very, very complicated economic situation.

我看到大家想盡快恢復日常生活，因為我們正面臨非常、非常嚴峻的經濟狀況。

We're facing 600% of inflation and a salary that goes lower than $3 per month.

我們面臨百分之六百的通膨，月薪不到三塊美金。

So people would try to resume their life to go to work and to, you know, make ends meet.

所以大家會試著恢復生活，去上班，你知道的，努力維持生計。

But I don't see people on the streets rioting or protesting or neither people trying to celebrate anything.

但我沒看到人們走上街頭暴動或抗議，也沒有人試圖慶祝什麼。

This is all very new and this is an event that will unfold in the coming days, weeks and months even.

這一切都還很新，這是一個在未來幾天、幾週甚至幾個月內都會持續發展的事件。

Trump has said that he's not afraid of American troops on the ground in Venezuela.

川普說過，他並不害怕美國軍隊出現在委內瑞拉。

Well, like I said, there's a lot of confusion towards how Trump will manage this situation with we don't know if it's going to be troops in the daily life per se, like walking on the street and finding a Marine, a U.S.

嗯，就像我說的，大家對於川普要怎麼處理這個情況感到很困惑，我們不知道是不是會有軍隊介入日常生活，像是走在路上看到海軍陸戰隊員、美國騎兵或阿兵哥。

我們不確定他昨天到底是什麼意思。

We don't know exactly what he meant yesterday.

我認為在他開始發展或我們開始解釋之前，他還有很多需要釐清的地方。

I think that he has much clearing to do before this starts to develop or we start even to explain it.

委內瑞拉最高法院任命副總統德爾西·羅德里格斯為代理總統。

Venezuela's Supreme Court appointed Vice President Delsey Rodriguez as acting president.

你和其他委內瑞拉人對此有什麼感受？同時川普也宣佈華盛頓將管理這個國家。

How are you and other Venezuelans processing that, along with Trump's announcement that Washington will run the country?

嗯，從我跟人們聊過聽到的消息是，大家還是很擔心什麼都不會改變，查維斯主義會繼續掌權。

Well, from what I've been able to talk to people to hear is that there are still fears that nothing's going to change, that Chabismo will stay in power.

但現在由德爾西·羅德里格斯領導，我們需要釐清一件事。

But now led by Delta Rodriguez, we need to clarify one thing.

她掌權了，但並不是在總統職位完全空缺的情況下，而是

She took power, but not under the image of a complete lack of the presidency, but

作為總統職位的暫時空缺，也就是說，她可以在憲法規定的90天後繼續留任，委內瑞拉憲法規定，只要得到國民議會的準許，她可以隨心所欲地續任這些權力。

as a temporary lack of the president, meaning that she can stay after the 90 days that the constitution, that the Venezuelan constitution states she can renew these powers as long as she wants approved by the National Assembly.

委內瑞拉憲法規定，只要得到國民議會的準許，她可以隨心所欲地續任這些權力。

So this means that she could stay before those 90 days without calling necessarily to new elections.

所以這意味著，她可以在這90天內不必非得舉行新選舉就繼續留任。

I mean, if you see it in a way, it could mean that she could stay over a year or more in power as long as the US Acts and as long as she is able to negotiate with them.

我的意思是，從某個角度來看，這可能意味著只要美國採取行動，只要她能和他們談判，她就可以掌權一年或更久。

Journalist Noor Soto, thank you very much.

記者諾里斯·索托，非常感謝您。

For more, I'm now joined by Jesus Renzullo.

更多內容，現在加入我們的是赫蘇斯·倫祖洛。

He is a Latin American expert and research fellow at the German Institute for Global and Area Studies.

他是拉丁美洲專家，也是德國全球與區域研究所的研究員。

Venezuela Supreme Court appointed the Vice President Delsey Rodriguez as acting president.

What does that mean for the country now in this situation?

在這個情況下，這對國家來說意味著什麼？

It was the logical transition, considering the hints that the United States government and the current configuration of power in Venezuela was.

考量到美國政府以及委內瑞拉現有的權力結構所釋出的訊息，這是一個很自然的過渡。

It basically means that the US does believe that the countries could go into instability if they do not maintain some of the current structure in place.

這基本上意味著，美國認為如果國家不維持現有的部分結構，可能會陷入不穩定。

It is also likely that there was some cooperation between the political elite in Caracas in order to take down Maduro.

這也可能是加拉加斯政治菁英為了扳倒馬杜羅而進行的某種合作。

基本上是為了維持權力的犧牲。

Now, it basically means that the United States government will be, at least in the short term, collaborating with the Rodriguez brothers with the political lead in Caracas to at least stabilize the country and make sure that it doesn't go into further crisis.

現在，這基本上意味著美國政府至少在短期內會與羅德里格斯兄妹以及加拉加斯的政治領導層合作，至少穩定國家，確保它不會陷入進一步的危機。

Now, that's interesting because there was always this talk about a regime change, and

這很有趣，因為一直以來都有關於政權更迭的討論，

keeping part of the regime in place somehow doesn't seem to fit.

而讓部分政權維持原狀似乎不太符合。

Also, Delsey Rodriguez came out in a statement during her press conferen saying that only Maduro's is the only legitimate president.

另外，德爾西·羅德里格斯在記者會上發表聲明，表示只有馬杜羅是唯一的合法總統。

So do you see a scenario where Delsey Rodriguez actually cooperates with Trump during the transitional period?

那麼，你認為在過渡時期，德爾西·羅德里格斯會與川普合作嗎？

Yes, there is the talk about regime change.

是的，關於政權更迭的討論一直都有。

We need to take into account there's a difference between regime change and change in the regime.

我們需要考慮「政權更迭」和「政權內部改變」之間的差異。

The United States strategy was not necessarily to overthrow the full Venezuelan government.

美國的策略不一定是推翻整個委內瑞拉政府。

It was there was a special operation to attack Maduro, to target Maduro.

當時是有一項特別行動要攻擊馬杜羅，鎖定馬杜羅。

And in fact, the indictment in New York shows that not all of the elite was targeted.

事實上，紐約的起訴書顯示，並非所有菁英都成為目標。

那麼，德爾西·羅德里格斯會合作嗎？

The Venezuelan regime is transaction, transactional by nature.

委內瑞拉政權本質上是交易性的。

They want to maintain power and that is their key and most important request.

他們想維持權力，這是他們最重要、最關鍵的要求。

If the United States threatens that stability or threatens their power, they would do whatever the United States requests.

如果美國威脅到他們的穩定或權力，他們就會照美國的要求做。

That is the most logical action for the Korean League.

這對韓國聯盟來說是最合乎邏輯的行動。

Now, what does the mean the discourse of the speech of Delsey?

那麼，德爾西·羅德里格斯的演講內容又是什麼意思呢？

Basically they are trying to not betray their own narrative while still through action cooperating with the United States.

基本上，他們試圖在不背叛自己論述的同時，透過行動與美國合作。

If things don't work out according to plan from the US perspective, Trump has already said that he is not afraid of American troops on the ground in Venezuela.

如果事情沒有按照美國的計畫進行，川普已經說過，他不害怕美國軍隊進入委內瑞拉。

It is unlikely that there would be some level of rebellion from the current political elite to the United States requests or demands because as I said before, their main request is survival and maintain power.

由於我之前說過，他們最主要的訴求是生存和維持權力，是以現有的政治菁英不太可能反對美國的要求或命令。

But in the case, let's say that the factions in the elite decide to rebel and US intervention, at least in Venezuela, at least inside the people, the logic of the people of Venezuela is not seen as a catastrophe.

但萬一，假設菁英派系決定反叛並進行美國幹預，至少在委內瑞拉，至少在人民心中，委內瑞拉人民的邏輯並不會將其視為一場災難。

We need to take into account that the Venezuelan population has been requesting liberation or freedom for years.

我們需要考慮到，委內瑞拉人民多年來一直在請求解放或自由。

In many ways, many of the population, most of the population had lost hope of an internal level transition and they have been requesting external support from that kind of action.

在很多方面，大部分民眾，絕大多數民眾已經對內部的轉型感到絕望，他們一直在尋求外部支持來採取這類行動。

Now, does that mean that it would be a positive action and a US Active intervention?

那麼，這是否意味著這將是一次積極的行動和美國的積極介入呢？

Not necessarily, but it doesn't mean that the population is actively against that.

不一定，但這也不代表民眾會積極反對。

Particularly if we talk about the diaspora, the diaspora is particularly supportive of that.

特別是如果我們談論海外僑民，僑民尤其支持這一點。

Okay, Jesus, a very short answer, if you could.

好的，Jesus，如果可以的話，請給一個非常簡短的回答。

Donald Trump already somewhat dismissed the opposition leader Maria Corinna Machado as a possible replacement.

川普已經有點 Dismiss 了反對派領袖 Maria Corinna Machado 作為可能的接班人。

And the current government is an interim regime, if you like.

而現任政府，如果你願意這麼說，是一個過渡政權。

So who is going to run Venezuela in the long run?

那麼，誰將會長期執掌委內瑞拉呢？

這個問題沒有一個明確的答案。

On the short run, it's going to be the Rodriguez brothers.

短期來看，會是羅德里格斯兄弟。

But Maria Corina Machado could recover some level of support from the United States as long as she plays her cards well.

但只要瑪麗亞·科裡納·馬查多好好運用她的籌碼，她就有可能從美國那裡獲得一些支持。

The future of the spot will probably have to leave it at that.

這個地方的未來，大概就只能這樣了。

So that question is still up in the air there, but

所以這個問題在那裡仍然懸而未決，但是

research Fellow Giga Institute for Latin American Studies in Berlin thank you so much for that.

德國柏林拉丁美洲研究所的研究員，非常感謝您的分析。