Name: 美國想「統治」委內瑞拉？這該如何實現？| DW 直播 (US wants to "run" Venezuela - How would that work? | DW News)
Uploaded: 2026-01-04T17:04:02.000Z
Duration: 19 min 30 s

Venezuela's deposed president Nicolas Maduro has woken up in a New York jail after being seized in Caracas during a surprise military operation.

被罷黜的委內瑞拉總統尼古拉斯·馬杜羅，在一次突襲軍事行動中於加拉加斯被捕後，現在身在紐約的監獄裡。

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Maduro is set to appear in court in the coming days to face criminal charges, including weapons trafficking and charges of narco terrorism.

馬杜羅即將在未來幾天出庭，面對包括武器販運和毒品恐怖主義在內的刑事指控。

Venezuela's acting president, Delsey Rodriguez has said an unspecified number of soldiers and civilians were killed in the US Raid.

委內瑞拉的代理總統德爾西·羅德里格斯表示，有不明數量的軍人和民眾在這次美國突襲中喪生。

President Donald Trump said some US Forces were hurt, but none were killed.

總統唐納·川普表示，有部分美國部隊受傷，但無人死亡。

He also said Washington would run Venezuela for the foreseeable future.

他也表示，華盛頓在可預見的未來將會管理委內瑞拉。

The US Maneuver has sparked mixed reactions, but many Venezuelans living in exile have welcomed the intervention.

這項美國軍事行動引發了複雜的反應，但許多流亡海外的委內瑞拉人都歡迎這次軍事幹預。

Across the world, Venezuelans poured onto the streets like here in Florida, celebrating what many thought they'd never see, the removal of Maduro from power.

全世界各地的委內瑞拉人湧上街頭，就像在這裡的佛羅裡達一樣，慶祝著許多人以為永遠不會看到的畫面——馬杜羅下臺。

Nicolas Maduro had run the country for more than a decade.

尼古拉斯·馬杜羅已經統治這個國家超過十年。

Some Venezuelans watching from abroad expressed relief.

一些在國外觀看的委內瑞拉人表達了他們的鬆一口氣。

我看到了唐納·川普做了什麼，

I feel that as a country we are in a position where we need help from the US this is how we can return to the freedom we had 26 years ago.

我覺得我們國家現在需要美國的幫助，這樣我們才能回到 26 年前的自由。

Before Maduro and his party, Maduro was widely accused of running an authoritarian government marked by electoral fraud, human rights abuses and corruption.

在馬杜羅和他所屬政黨掌權之前，馬杜羅就被廣泛指控領導著一個威權政府，該政府充斥著選舉舞弊、人權侵犯和腐敗。

But those celebrations are mixed with fear.

但這些慶祝活動中也夾雜著恐懼。

Thousands in Venezuela remain detained for opposing the deposed leader's government.

委內瑞拉境內仍有數千人因反對被罷黜的總統政府而被拘留。

Amnesty International says arbitrary arrests targeted political opponents, journalists and human rights defenders.

Amnesty International 表示，任意逮捕的目標包括政治對手、記者和人權捍衛者。

We're very concerned what's going to happen after all this that is happening, the uncertainty also, you know, the aftermath.

我們非常擔心接下來會發生什麼事，以及這種不確定性，你知道的，還有事後的影響。

Many Venezuelans, like this couple, say they can finally return home.

許多委內瑞拉人，就像這對夫妻一樣，表示他們終於可以回家了。

And I can't say how happy I am because I don't know any other government, only there.

我無法表達我有多高興，因為我只認識那裡的政府，不認識別的。

I have been without my family for six years and I can't wait to fight for you.

我已經和家人分離六年了，我迫不及待想為你們而戰。

Maduro was later seen at a U.S. drug Enforcement Administration facility in New York.

馬杜羅稍後被發現在紐約的美國緝毒局設施。

The geopolitical shockwaves are spreading across Latin America.

地緣政治衝擊正擴散至拉丁美洲。

Brazil, Cuba and Chile condemned the US Action.

巴西、古巴和智利譴責了美國的行動。

Venezuela today, tomorrow could be anyone else.

今天的委內瑞拉，明天可能是任何人。

Colombia has beefed up its security along its almost 2000 kilometer long border with Venezuela.

哥倫比亞已加強了與委內瑞拉長達近兩千公里的邊境安全。

What's needed now is common sense, good judgment and humanity.

現在需要的是常識、良好的判斷和人性。

On the streets of Caracas, some Maduro supporters say his removal would only deepen the crisis and are backing calls by authorities to mobilize.

在加拉加斯的街頭，一些馬杜羅的支持者表示，罷黜他只會加劇危機，並支持當局發起的動員呼籲。

We are asking for the liberation of our president.

Just like many years ago when we asked for the liberation of Hugo Chavez, we elected Nicola Maduro by vote.

就像很多年前我們要求釋放烏戈·查維斯一樣，我們透過投票選出了尼古拉斯·馬杜羅。

Besides that, Trump is thinking that if he takes Maduro away.

除此之外，川普認為如果他帶走馬杜羅。

No, the revolution continues because we're not going to allow the people who tried to kill us to come and take power in Venezuela.

不，革命會繼續，因為我們不會允許那些試圖殺害我們的人來委內瑞拉奪取權力。

For Venezuelans around the world, celebration now collides with uncertainty as their country begins a new chapter.

對於世界各地的委內瑞拉人來說，他們國家開始新篇章之際，現在的慶祝與不確定性交織在一起。

He's a former US Ambassador to Panama and a Marine helicopter pilot.

他是美國駐巴拿馬前大使，也是海軍陸戰隊的直升機飛行員。

Ambassador, the operation to capture Maduro was carried out by an elite unit called Delta Force.

大使，這次抓捕馬杜羅的行動是由一支名為「三角洲部隊」的精銳部隊執行的。

Delta Force is part of what we call Special Operations Command.

三角洲部隊是我們所謂的特種作戰司令部的一部分。

It's a multi service, meaning that there are Army, Navy, Marine and Air Force personnel assigned to it.

這是一個跨軍種的單位，意味著裡面有陸軍、海軍、海軍陸戰隊和空軍的人員。

Delta happened to be army who have usually gone through Ranger training.

三角洲部隊通常是陸軍出身，他們通常都接受過遊騎兵訓練。

They were flown into Caracas on helicopters that are piloted by a group called Task Force 160 out of Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

他們搭乘直升機飛抵加拉加斯，這些直升機是由肯塔基州坎貝爾堡的「第160特遣部隊」駕駛的。

These are people who literally spend all of their time, A, operating at night and B, in some of the toughest, most difficult terrain conditions.

這些人幾乎把所有時間都花在 A) 夜間行動，以及 B) 在最艱苦、最困難的地形條件下執行任務。

They're literally, as President Trump said yesterday, the best of the best and they are unparalleled in terms of their military skill.

正如川普總統昨天所說，他們是頂尖中的頂尖，軍事技能無與倫比。

Well, Delta Force helped the US Achieve their objective there.

嗯，三角洲部隊幫助美國達成了在那裡的目標。

Is their concern that in quote, unquote, running the country, as Trump indicated he intends to do, that the US Will find itself in the same kind of nation building challenge that that entangled it In Iraq some 20 or so years ago.

他們的擔憂是，引用川普總統的話，他打算「經營這個國家」，美國是否會發現自己陷入與大約二十年前在伊拉克陷入的同樣的國家建設挑戰？

Michael, I have to say, listening to the President yesterday and listening to General Kaine and watching what few images we have from the raiding from Venezuela, that the precision, the power and the professionalism of the US Military members who conducted that raid stood in high, high contrast to the imprecision, sort of chaos and uncertainty that the President and Secretary Rubio presented as the geopolitical future of Venezuela.

麥可，我必須說，聽了總統昨天的發言，聽了凱恩將軍的發言，也看了我們從委內瑞拉突襲中僅有的一些畫面，執行這次突襲的美國軍人的精準、力量和專業，與總統和魯比歐部長所描繪的委內瑞拉地緣政治未來的模糊、混亂和不確定性形成了鮮明對比。

no one else really has a good understanding as what is going to transpire in Venezuela right now.

基本上沒有人真正瞭解現在委內瑞拉會發生什麼。

As in President Trump's words, the United States runs the place for a while until such time as we can judiciously turn it over.

正如川普總統所說，美國將暫時掌管這裡，直到我們能夠明智地將其移交。

And I believe that the best way to sum this up was a meme that I saw yesterday, which was a drawing of a thoroughbred racehorse on the back.

我相信總結這一切的最好方式是我昨天看到的一個梗圖，那是一匹純種賽馬的圖畫。

And the front of the horse was a kindergarten drawing of a horse, obviously by a small child.

而馬的身體部分，則是小孩畫的馬，很明顯是個小孩子畫的。

And all it said was the special ops mission is the back of the horse and the head of the horse is the political vision for Venezuela.

上面寫著，特種部隊的任務是馬的身體，而馬的頭部則是委內瑞拉的政治願景。

there certainly is uncertainty at this Hour viewers will come to understand that the US Wants to run the country as Donald Trump says they intend to do.

觀眾們將會明白，美國就像川普總統說的，打算暫時接管這個國家。

And at the same time, they're hearing that the vice president of the administration in Venezuela that the US Government has problems with has been installed as the president.

同時，他們也聽到，美國政府有意見的委內瑞拉政府副總統，已經被扶正為總統了。

You simply can't square these things unless you assume that the Trump administration has absolutely zero interest in a democratic future for Venezuela.

你就是沒辦法解釋這些事，除非你認為川普政府對委內瑞拉的民主未來毫無興趣。

Delsey Rodriguez, the vice president to Nicolas Maduro, who, by the way, we should note, gave quite the strong speech against Donald Trump, the operation, and

德爾西·羅德里格斯，尼古拉斯·馬杜羅的副總統，順帶一提，我們應該注意到，她發表了強硬的演講，反對川普總統、這次行動，以及

insisted that the Americans give Nicolas Maduro and Celia Flores back.

堅持要求美國將尼古拉斯·馬杜羅和希莉亞·弗洛雷斯交還。

Meanwhile, the president during his press conference said, yeah, Marco, meaning Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

同時，總統在記者會上說，對，Marco，指的是國務卿 Marco Rubio。

Marco has been talking to their vice president, and she knows what she has to do.

Marco 一直在跟他們的副總統談，她知道自己該怎麼做。

So what this presents us with is pure speculation here that Delta Rodriguez is doing what we call in Spanish, a double discurso.

所以這讓我們在這裡純粹猜測，Delcy Rodríguez 正在做我們西班牙語說的「雙重演講」。

She's talking out of both sides of her mouth.

On the one hand, she's telling Marco Rubio, yeah, don't worry, I got it.

一方面，她告訴 Marco Rubio，對，別擔心，我搞定了。

But, you know, I have to go out and say a few things for my people here so that we can keep peace in the streets.

但是，你知道，我必須出去對我這裡的人說幾句話，這樣我們才能維持街頭的和平。

I think one of the things we have to look at is what does Trump really want out of this?

我認為我們必須看看川普到底想從中得到什麼？

And I think if you look at how he spent most of his time talking yesterday, it was about oil, it was about wealth, and

我認為如果你看看他昨天大部分時間在談論什麼，那就是石油，那就是財富，還有

Let's broaden our focus just for a moment here.

Talk to us about the impact this military action will have on the region itself.

請跟我們談談這次軍事行動對該區域本身會有什麼影響。

Listen, I think if you take a look at the national security strategy that the Trump administration itself put out about a month ago, you will see very clearly the spheres of influence, political thought in there.

聽著，我認為如果你看看川普政府大約一個月前發布的國家安全戰略，你會非常清楚地看到其中的勢力範圍和政治思想。

I don't think Donald Trump thinks in those terms.

我不認為唐納·川普會這樣思考。

I think he thinks this is our neighborhood, this is our backyard.

我認為他覺得這是我們的鄰裡，這是我們的後院。

But I think he looks at the hemisphere as sort of his turf, and

但我認為他把這個半球看作是他的地盤，

So the implications for the region are very, very.

所以對該區域的影響非常、非常大。

I don't think that we're going to see any further attacks, but

我認為我們不會再看到進一步的攻擊，但是

I do think we're going to see all kinds of pressure.

我確實認為我們會看到各種壓力。

That's former U.S. ambassador and Marine pilot John Feeley.

這是前美國大使、海軍陸戰隊飛行員 John Feeley。

一如往常，非常感謝您，先生。

For more, I am now joined by John Polga Hekimovich.

想了解更多，現在加入我們的是 John Polga Hekimovich。

He is an associate professor of political science at The US Naval Academy, where he focuses on comparative and Latin American politics.

他是美國海軍官校政治學副教授，專攻比較政治學和拉丁美洲政治。

What's been the reaction in the US To Trump's actions, especially among those in the MAGA movement who had fairly isolationist expectations from this president.

在美國，大家對川普的行動有什麼反應？特別是那些對這位總統抱持孤立主義期望的 MAGA 運動支持者。