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Uploaded: 2026-01-04T18:45:33.000Z
Duration: 27 min 15 s

Now I'm sure we can do a bigger round of applause for one of the greatest two leaders of our history.

現在，我相信我們可以為我們歷史上最偉大的兩位領導人之一獻上更熱烈的掌聲。

I lost count, you know, seven to $8 trillion worth of market cap comp.

我數不清了，你知道，七到八兆美元的市值。

But right now we're here to celebrate a historic moment, A moment that yesterday during the dinner and thank you for joining us under the patronage of the honorable President and his Royal Highness the Crown Prince Mossaidi, where we had the pleasure to hear firsthand, this is the greatest alliance between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United States, where we have joined hands and you have helped us build our energy based economy fueling and energizing the industrial age.

但現在我們在這裡慶祝一個歷史性的時刻，一個昨天在晚宴上發生的時刻，感謝您在尊貴的總統殿下和王儲穆薩伊迪殿下的贊助下加入我們，在那裡我們有幸親耳聽到，這是沙烏地阿拉伯王國與美國之間最偉大的聯盟，我們攜手合作，您幫助我們建立了以能源為基礎的經濟，為工業時代提供動力和活力。

And now fast forward going to the intelligence age where we can fuel AI factories, robotics, EVs and all of the rest.

現在快轉到智能時代，我們可以為 AI 工廠、機器人、電動車和其他一切提供動力。

Speaking of that, let's start with you, Elon, if you don't mind.

說到這個，Elon，如果你不介意的話，我們就先從你開始。

You have a big fascination of something all of us have admired.

你對我們都非常欣賞的一件事，有著極大的熱情。

First order thinking, which gensys sometimes calls first order scaling, which is an opportunity for how you have dropped the cost of batteries from 1000 for kilowatt hour to sub 100 bucks.

第一原理思考，也就是 gensys 有時稱的第一原理擴展，這是一個機會，讓你知道如何將電池的成本從每千瓦小時 1000 美元降到 100 美元以下。

And right now you're doing the same thing with robotics for actuators with servo rotors and motors.

而現在你正對機器人的致動器、伺服馬達和馬達做同樣的事情。

So I want to hear from you, how do you manage to always disrupt every single industry with that thinking?

所以我想聽聽你的看法，你總是能用這種思考方式顛覆每一個產業？

Well, it's mostly not disruption, it's creation.

嗯，這大多不是顛覆，而是創造。

So with say SpaceX, with reusable rockets, there really weren't any reusable rockets.

以 SpaceX 的可重複使用火箭來說，當時真的沒有可重複使用的火箭。

But the essence of getting, of revolutionizing space travel is reusability.

但要實現太空旅行革命的精髓，就是可重複使用。

If you throw the rocket away every time, the cost of access to space is extremely high.

如果你每次都丟掉火箭，那麼進入太空的成本就會非常高。

With respect to electric cars, there weren't any electric cars when we started making them.

關於電動車，當我們開始製造時，根本沒有電動車。

You couldn't buy any to the best of my knowledge.

So with Tesla we wanted to make electric cars compelling and affordable.

所以我們做 Tesla，是想讓電動車變得有吸引力又負擔得起。

With respect to humanoid robotics, there are no useful humanoid robotics robots.

至於人形機器人，現在根本沒有實用的人形機器人。

This point there are sort of gimmicks, but there are, there are no actually useful humanoid robots.

現在有點像是噱頭，但真的沒有實用的人形機器人。

And I think Tesla is going to make the first actually useful humanoid robots.

我覺得 Tesla 會做出第一個真正實用的人形機器人。

And I think something that will, that everyone will want because I always think of like who wouldn't want their own personal C3PO R2D2.

我認為大家都會想要，因為我總在想，誰不想擁有自己的 C3PO 或 R2D2 呢？

Oh yeah, of course everyone would want one, right?

喔對，當然每個人都想要，對吧？

And, and then there would be many in industry providing products and services.

然後，也會有很多產業提供相關的產品和服務。

This is why I say that humanoid robots will be the biggest industry or the biggest product ever.

這就是為什麼我說，人形機器人將會是史上最大的一個產業或最大的產品。

Bigger than cell phones or anything else.

Because everyone's going to want one and, or maybe more than one.

因為每個人都會想要一臺，或者可能不只一臺。

而且產業裡也會有很多（機器人）。

我只想擁有 C3PO 身體裡的 R2D2。

Well, I mean a humanoid robot would be better than Archer D2 and C3VO combined times 10.

嗯，我是說，人形機器人會比 Archer D2 和 C3VO 加起來再乘以十倍還要好。

you know people often talk about sort of eliminating poverty and that kind of thing, but really the.

你知道，人們常談論要消除貧窮之類的，但其實。

How long have they been talking about that?

There's lots of talk, you know, there's lots of NGOs sort of trying to do these things but, but

很多人在談，你知道，很多 NGO 都在試著做這些事，但是，但是

And you know, the evidence speaks for itself.

But, but, but AI and humanoid robots will actually eliminate poverty.

但是，但是，但是 AI 和人形機器人其實會消除貧窮。

And Tesla won't be the only one that makes them.

而且 Tesla 不會是唯一一家製造它們的公司。

I think Tesla will pioneer this, but there will be many other companies that make humanoid robots.

我覺得 Tesla 會開創這個，但也會有很多其他公司製造人形機器人。

But there is only basically one way to make everyone wealthy and that is AI and robotics.

但基本上只有一種方法能讓每個人都富有，那就是 AI 和機器人。

And we can't talk about robotics without AI factories.

而我們在談論機器人就不能不提 AI 工廠。

And yesterday was such a historic day for the two nations, but

而昨天對這兩個國家來說是如此歷史性的一天，但是

also for all of us where we celebrate the AI strategic partnership with the US Signed witnessed by the honorable President and his Royal Highness about how we are committing our capital energy land to energize the AI US ecosystem to be able to build inference node training nodes and to be the most AI enabled nation.

With that announcement, tell me what's, what's next in factories?

Jensen, There's a, there's a beautiful story about how Saudi Arabia is building AI refineries and how building AI factor oil refineries to AI factors.

I love that I, you know I've said that, that AI is an infrastructure and the reason for that of course we understand AI from the perspective of the technology and how it's revolutionizing every industry.

Digital intelligence of course has applications into every field and so it's going to be used by every company, every industry, every country.

In that way it's foundational and therefore it's part of infrastructure.

而且，我們也慶祝了與美國的 AI 策略夥伴關係，由總統殿下和皇室殿下見證，關於我們如何投入資金、能源和土地來活絡美國的 AI 生態系，以便建立推論節點、訓練節點，並成為最具 AI 賦能的國家。

What is new about AI from a computer science perspective is that the way computing was done in the past was largely retrieval based computing.

有了這個宣佈，接下來工廠會有什麼新發展呢？

Somebody typed in a story or somebody created a piece of art or came up with four versions of a digital ad or it's all pre built by somebody which is then using a system to retrieve the appropriate version for you.

Jensen，有個很棒的故事，關於沙烏地阿拉伯如何打造 AI煉油廠，以及如何將傳統的石油煉油廠轉變為 AI 工廠。

我喜歡這樣說，我說 AI 是一種基礎設施，當然，我們從技術的角度理解 AI，以及它如何徹底改變各行各業。

Hadoop and many of the frameworks and operating systems of the past all designed to retrieve the appropriate information for you.

數位智慧當然在各個領域都有應用，所以每家公司、每個產業、每個國家都會使用它。

But today software is going to be generated in real time.

It's generative based on the context, based on the circumstance, based on who you are, based on the problem you asked, based on your prompt, it will generate unique content for you every single time, for everybody, it's unique.

它是生成式的，根據你的情境、情況、身份、你提出的問題、你的提示，它每次都會為你生成獨特內容，對每個人來說都是獨一無二的。

When you use Grok, every time you use it is different, right?

當你使用 Grok 時，每次使用都會不一樣，對吧？

Based on the prompt that you give it and based on the circumstance and, and

根據你給它的提示以及當時的情況，

so therefore it used to be retrieval based, today it's generative.

所以以前是基於檢索，今天則是生成式的。

every time is different, then you need AI factories all over the world to generate the content in real time, which is the reason why you need AI factories.

每次都不一樣，那你就需要世界各地的 AI 工廠來即時生成內容，這就是為什麼你需要 AI 工廠。

And this is a unique way of doing computation.

But the benefit, of course, is that everything isn't preconceived and pre documented and it's contextually, contextually sensible and therefore intelligent.

但好處當然是，所有東西都不是預先設想和預先記錄的，而且它是情境上、情境上合理的，是以是智慧的。

we heard it yesterday from his Royal Highness, his vision how to augment our workforce with roughly tens of millions of robotics to be able to infuse the next wave of productivity and progress.

昨天我們聽到了殿下的願景，如何透過數千萬的機器人來增強我們的勞動力，以注入下一波的生產力和進步。

But this cares a lot of folks here when it comes to the future of jobs.

但這讓這裡的許多人非常關心未來的工作。

So let's hear about your thoughts, Elon and Jensen, on that.

那麼，Elon 和 Jensen，請分享一下你們的想法。

Well, say like, in the long term, where will things end up?

嗯，假設說，長遠來看，事情會發展成什麼樣子？

Maybe it's 10, 20 years, something like that.

也許是 10 年、 20 年，之類的。

My prediction is that work will be optional.

我的預測是，工作將會是可選的。

Yeah, I mean, it'll be like playing sports or a video game or something like that.

對啊，我的意思是，那會很像在玩運動或電動遊戲之類的。

If you want to work, you know, in the same way, like you can, you can go to the store and just buy some vegetables, or you could grow vegetables in your backyard.

如果你想工作，你知道，以同樣的方式，就像你可以去商店買些蔬菜，或者你可以在自家後院種菜。

It's much harder to grow vegetables in your backyard.

But some people still do it because they like growing growing vegetables.

但有些人還是會做，因為他們喜歡種菜。

That will be what work is like, optional.

And between now and then, there's actually a lot of work to get to that point.

而從現在到那時候，其實有很多工作要做才能達到那個階段。

And I always recommend people read Yen Bank's culture books to get a sense for what a probable positive AI future is like.

我總是推薦大家看 Yen Bank 的文化書籍，來感受一下可能的 AI 正向未來會是什麼樣子。

And interestingly, in those books, money is no longer doesn't exist.

有趣的是，在那些書裡，錢已經不存在了。

And my guess is if you go out long enough, assuming there's a continued improvement in AI and robotics, which seems likely, the money will stop being relevant at some point in the future.

我猜，如果時間拉長，假設 AI 和機器人的持續進步，這似乎很有可能，未來某個時候，金錢將不再重要。

There will still be constraints on power, like electricity and mass.

電力和質量這些東西還是會有約束。

The fundamental physics elements will still be constraints, but I think at some point, currency becomes irrelevant.

物理的基本要素還是會是約束，但我認為某個時候，貨幣就會變得不重要了。

By the way, the Nvidia earnings call is later today.

順帶一提，Nvidia 的財報電話會議就在今天稍晚。

And by the way, since currency is relevant, Cheers.

還有，既然貨幣很重要，乾杯。

Elon just wants to share with you some breaking news.

Elon 想跟你們分享一些突發新聞。

The two of us who like to share some breaking news.

我們兩個都喜歡分享一些突發新聞。

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