[SUDBRACK] Me and Christophe have been working together

我和Christophe從2005年開始

since 2005.

一起工作

I've never lived in the same city as Christophe

直到我們一起工作了

since we started working together.

我才搬到Christophe的城市生活

At one point I lived in Berlin,

我曾一度生活在柏林

now I'm splitting my time between Sao Paolo

而現在我往返於聖保羅

and New York.

和紐約

And he lives in Paris, you know,

而他是住在巴黎，你知道嗎

so we don't actually live in the same place.

所以我們其實不算生活在同一個地方

[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] But you want to know the truth?

但你知道嗎？

I mean, I think sometimes we're like...

我指的是，我感覺有時候我們

we know each other super well.

非常了解對方

I mean, we've been apart for almost a year,

我指的是，我們分開差不多有一年

physically, on the same continent, we were, like...

肉體上是這樣，而在同一片領土上，我們就像...

[SUDBRACK] More.

一年多吧

[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] But since...

但從

[SUDBRACK] April.

四月的時候

[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] Yeah, April.

對，四月的時候

[SUDBRACK] More than a year.

一年多一點

[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] Yeah, I mean...

是的，我的意思是

my God, you're so picky!

天哪，你太挑剔了

Talking about, yeah, a year and a month!

對年啊月啊那麽計較！

[BOTH LAUGH]

兩人都笑了

I think our minds are connected,

我覺得我們的想法是想通的

but then this like physical thing

這仿佛是肉體上的聯繫

that we need to get used to again,

我們需要一再的去適應

you know what I mean?

你懂我想表達的意思嗎？

[SUDBRACK] I think we needed to focus more.

我認為我們需要更專註

We needed something that was quieter.

我們需要更安靜平緩的事物

When I was making installations before,

當我在做這些裝置藝術之前

I was creating a space in which people could actually

我做的是一個空間，一個人們真正會

be as spontaneous as they would like to.

不由自主喜歡上的空間

But the thing is, for me,

但這件事對我來說

it was never absolutely spontaneous

卻完全不是自然發生的

because I had so much, you know,

因為我有太多的

production that I had to take care of.

需要去注意的成果

We felt that we needed to

感覺我們需要去

do less with other collaborators--

減少和別人的合作

and dealing with emails and production issues.

而是要去處理郵件以及產品問題

And I felt like, okay, this is, like,

好吧，我認為

one of the reasons why I wanted to make paintings,

我願意畫畫的其中一個原因是

because that way, I can actually be more spontaneous myself.

因為這樣，我可以讓自己更自在

I think it's also about getting older, too.

我想這也和變老有關

The pleasures are closer to you.

這種愉悅感讓人感到親近

For this show in New York,

為了這次紐約的展覽

even though we influence each other,

即使我們相互影響著對方

we actually go into different directions.

但我們的風格完全不同

I'm making this group of paintings,

我在畫這組畫

and he's making another group of paintings.

而他在畫另一組

He's going a more abstract, geometric way.

他的風格是更抽象，更幾何樣式的

I'm thinking more about the figure.

而我則更側重於人物本身

I just wanted to bring that idea

我只是想傳播這種想法

that somebody can transform their bodies at their will,

人們可以根據他們的意願來改變自己的身體

and that's an act of freedom.

這是一種自由的表現

In our show last year

去年在聖保羅

in Sao Paolo,

的展覽

we made these pieces called "Transgeometric"

我們做的這些東西取名為：Transgeometric

which were half tranny bodies,

一半是變性人的軀體

and half geometric shapes.

一半是幾何圖形

So somehow, I felt like these trannies

我覺得這些變性人

could be transformed into a full on

可以通過時間完全轉變為

geometric shape with time.

幾何圖形

[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] This is the position...

它的姿勢是這樣的

so, you have the...like, this part,

這部分

which is like the butt here.

是屁股

And there's like a...how do you say, ball...

而這個球，該怎麽說呢

Like a testicle?

像個睪丸？

The two nails...

這是兩個指甲

And here, you have like the other butt,

而這裏，是另一個屁股

with the legs,

和腿一起

like the thigh.

像大腿一樣

Like one boob coming out of it.

這個是像要爆出來的乳房

And then here, you have the calf.

而這裏是小腿肚

Yeah. Do you see it?

你看見了嗎？

With like, this is like another boob coming out of it.

這裏就是另一個要爆出來的乳房

And another one here.

這裏還有另一個

And then you have the beginning of the foot,

接下來，這裏是腳

of the heel here.

腳後跟在這裏

[SUDBRACK] I was looking for a different, sort of,

我在尋找一種不一樣的

representation of the female figure.

女性人物的代表

Different from what I usually look at,

有別於我平時看到的

which is like, the...the porn--

比如像色情片

something that I always somehow

我總是設法想把有些東西

wanted to absorb in our installations,

加入到我們的裝置中

to mix low and high references.

高低不一的相互融合

And now that I'm making paintings,

而現在我畫畫

I feel like I have to do that

我感覺我不得不用

in one single, iconic image.

一種具有標誌性的圖像來呈現

[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] It can be higher, I guess.

我覺得，它可以在高一點

[SUDBRACK] No, I think it should be lower, probably.

不，我覺得可能低一點比較好

[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] No, but look...

不，但看起來...

I like how it's like...you know?

你知道嗎？我喜歡它的樣子

It's not a line, whereas this is below this one...

它不是一條直線，這條在這條下面

[SUDBRACK] This was pretty much

這樣好多了

the very first positioning

我們非常快的

we had come up with--

構想出第一個

very quickly.

裝置定位

[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] But I think sometimes, like the...

但我覺得有時候...

the more spontaneous you are [LAUGHS]

妳越不由自主（笑）

can be the better, and I think...yeah...

結果可能會越好

[SUDBRACK] So we went back,

所以我們回顧

we did a few adjustments--

我們所做的一些調整

that's pretty much the way we thought, at first.

差不多就是我們一開始想要的

[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] There was a lot of debate between us,

我們倆之間有很多意見相悖的時候

if we should just install the painting on the white wall,

比如我們是否只是把畫掛在這面白墻上

or if we should still conceive some sort of

還是我們應該仍舊考慮一些

special environment to place the canvas on the wall.

比較特殊的環境來把這些油畫掛在墻上

And then we went for the mural,

接下來，我們就想到了壁畫

which is like a continuation

其實這有點像我們

of what we would have done in the past

過去用墻紙創作的

with wallpaper.

一種延續

[SUDBRACK] We start titling our shows

我們開始根據這些不同組合

with these different combos,

來為我們的展覽命名

according to the different combinations you could do

通過字母“a,v,a,f"之間的不同組合

with 'a' 'v' 'a' 'f'.

來考慮展覽名稱

[HAMAIDE-PIERSON] The title of the show is

最終，展覽的名稱為

"adderall valium ativan focalin,"

adderall valium ativan focalin

which are, like, usually drugs which are prescribed

這有點像，用來治療，比如說小孩的註意力不集中

to cure, like, kids of attention disorder.

的處方藥

They cannot focus more than

他們無法在課堂上集中注意力

half an hour in classes.

超過半小時

[SUDBRACK] It's a big change

聚焦於一個媒介的方式

to be concentrated on one media.

會是一個很大的改變

But, we both needed some time

而我們倆都需要一些時間

that was just more devoted

好讓我們更加投入於

to the actual making.

實際的創作中

It's a lot of work,

雖然有太多的工作

but actually, I'm having a lot of fun

但和這些畫布一起工作

and pleasure

我感到很快樂

working right on the canvas.

很享受