in paris mid-forties stakes are never small

for more than three decades he's been writing and singing about love and death

politics in transcendence mori piece in the bubble freedom

a lot of her songs have been manifestos to remember people have the power

rock-and-roll nor

dancing barefoot

because the night

and others have been a tiffany's of the power of the word back by three chords

patty was born in chicago and raises the jersey girl

and

media press review class clown high school and depth of your jersey

yep i did when class clown but my also

more important ones barton of the year

have one of the actually one of the things in my life that i'm most proud of

what it what is going to be here

actually i still to this date don't know why i got it

it was the most coveted

uh... awards you can get my high school and uh...

you know i realized to get in trouble a lot i daydream di was sick a lot it

wasn't like the genius um... i'd love school then

i love do you know

get not been doing my book reports telling people about moby dick but

you know i wasn't quite i didn't have any specific great gift

and i used to think bns pardon of the year would be the coolest thing one

could ever be

because

you know it exemplified

independence still weakness

of good heart

and um...

and i got it

acai you'd still to this day

can't believe i got it

i mean and that was fast

picked up to nineteen sixty four and i still sometimes like i still think

how you forget that spartan appeared at that time

rather low octane things part of the year

everything well

i'd that's part of the year actually mystifies me more in america

via until his arrest his speech but it was um diam

but you can't in new york ny in sixty seven yes um... and i was curious i've

always been curious about how people sort of

get their nose in the door

weekend in the organ made friends with robert mapplethorpe sam sheppard

uh...

how did you do this in jersey girl like yourself

well i mean i came to new york city looking for a job

in nineteen sixty seven

um...

i lit lived in new york for about a month

like a lot of kids you know i lived in the streets i slept in the subway

i am

slept in central park

and i just kept

looking for a job in my family got a job in a bookstore

and uh...

built my life you know the wasn't easy

but i was so

taking with new york city and it was so freakin tress the way you wanted nobody

but yet

um... it was uh... just before the architecture the museums

at was so exciting to me to be in new york city that i

really didn't mind the strength

and i met robert

accidentally and

he was just a boy i mean we were both twenty he was

he was a kid i'm going to pratt

and uh...

we fell in love and he was my boyfriend in

i met sam sheppard

actually in six uh...

nineteen seventy ed

in the child when i was looking at the chelsea hotel so that was

and the next here of late

sixty-seven me and robert were

you know we were kids

so used to student he wasn't robert mapplethorpe

well he was proper mapplethorpe notice video is always robert mapplethorpe

until he was a kid tennis

he was a student

danny and uh...

how did you do when he came was he was he also in that

not buying that lenny kaye by sending him in uh...

the family other or make i don't remember if i

well i would bet there with a book came out

account number it but it had of

some really great pieces of uh... rock journalism in like around nineteen

seventy

uh... rock journalists were like scholars i mean they opened they were

serious they weren't uh...

nearly writing criticism they were inventing

um... uh... away to discuss rock-and-roll in a scholarly way

and this particular book had that pieces by um...

uh... one of the greatest at pieces of writing of rock-and-roll about

rock-and-roll

by sandeep perlman

i think was called the history of l_a_ uh... things by richard meltzer

uh... jon landau

and one of the pieces that was then there was called uh... well of us are

not the pala music

and being from south jersey acapella music was very important uh...

in my growing process

and it was

than most

tend to rest

him in

intelligent

and insightful piece of writing

completely selfless

and beautiful and i thought whoever wrote this is a really good person

so i saw them out

you know that

tell 'em what a great piece in

he told me he worked at uh... bleecker bob's he was selling that people do you

say bleecker bob's in said to come and stop in cm so

i did in we became friends wow

notice kazan

back before the internet we if you want to hear and all the you had to get the

physical desk now yet to go down with his stories high and we you knowing

by couldn't you know they were expensive some of them and

now like there was a song i was looking at looking for called bacon fat and all

that on the record it was like eight dollars and i was only making sixty five

dollars a week at scribners

so uh...

when he would let me hear them

for nothing you know we would

i mean you couldn't tape them erred

do anything but you can go in and see what the record look like him

might dance around to it and stuff so

students

in nineteen seventy one u

room with fewer detroit that was the most of the project

uh... bruno we just

you you you and i needed the first

performance the first poetry with well apparently

i was a irreverent body and separatist sapan you know it's a marks base to go

there with gregory corso and gregory hated all the poets

and i was so glad because i have like the neither and that

and is just

poetry tended to be a little boring

then i got a chance to uh...

open short maligned uh...

and as per our talk rex birthday

at the time i was uh... cn sam sheppard

and i talk to sam about this and i said and wanna do something

blood into poetry and what sound i wanted to be sonic

any civil while gypsum

the car in it to you know any guitar players

and i said that

kid at the record store place a little bit parts

so i went to a ripley kebabs and i said the lenny

you play a little bit torrents of or a little

and i said can you make like a

car crash

you know like

a car crash sounds you know would like some kind of

feedback to me those

so we did our weeded out had our first poetry dgn opening charred maligned

death

and it was the first time an electric guitar had been played in saint mark's

church

and um...

sacrilege

yet it got some people a-level set

so um...

but it was a great night it was very exciting and uh...

you know to this day

i mean we didn't ruffle some feathers but uh...

gerard was game you shot in saint mark's church came you shot so

you know grateful for that

you know when you said to somebody like a poetry has

yeah i was a snot nose you know actually i wrote letters to all the heads of

saint marks and told them

to watch out i was coming

are is really obnoxious

carefully

and and frankly can waldman loop around saint marks

she was so sweet and uh...

she let me some of the letters that i the center because i am working on a

little memoir and i read these letters and i i couldn't even look at them

baby arrogance and provide of coming from these little slips of paper was

just

struck him

i don't know where i got

back tag it's our guests it was that's

spartan of the year energy there

yes

as this invoice is illegal

uh... today and and

using doing now it's like

is like you approach a readings turning into songs that you can just see it sort

of

flowing toward

ali alone courses is really

the culmination

the are uilyas sta

well from like my saint mark's reading because

the first line of forces

uh... jesus died for somebody sense but not mine i wrote when i was twenty

and i performed as a poem

in nineteen seventy one so

all almost everything on horses came from

k richard soul and i

the other band members came in at the end we had already formed

through improvising poetry

and three chords together almost the whole scape of uh...

of forces

so you're free style in

well i didn't know anything i don't know how really do write a song i know a

little bit about writing songs like appalachian style songs

i wrote songs for sam shepard's plays in my room

very simple little songs

but i didn't really know much about writing the song so for me

it was

improvisation

lenny in richard would set up a chord structure and i just improvise over it

by still write songs like that

now i know more about it like to use it in bright lyrics but most of the time

heidi listen to the band jamming her

so few musicians jamming and i'm weight

till i feel a certain kinship with the music and just

getting from the microphone in improvise

and uh...

that's how i right

do you keep

you keep improvisation and you can go back and chip away at it and and it

didn't go crazy

now and it's always more thing

you know sometimes there's no

tape recorder stopped my just forget it

it's a process him

but in the new units comming soon some songwriters just three battle it out

and then you take it back into their land

teeth this were to move this phrase around

using using organic

well some songs are more ganic and some songs are very traditionally

put together elect i'd never strayed

in tiredness from the original

lyrics of because the night you know

uh... bruce and i wrote the lyrics and i a always sing the same lyrics because

you know it's a popular song people like it there's no reason to change them

but a song like random thousand dances

johnny is gone through hundreds of different always for gas

naked

hughes got it from every and prevented it

please do you just heard you had the feeling that did you know this was gonna

change the world in the dizzy or you look back i managed to such a

concentration of

created

but a bit itself was just a dump on the boundary

well cd gee bees came in it

perfect

time

seventy four