speak loudly as of Taiwan's tolerance and acceptance and diversity.

Public sector cannot just do everything by itself.

It's not the era of planned governance anymore.

Mostly the innovations come from the private sector and the civil society.

And spaces like this are links between the private sector, the civil society, and the public sector.

The idea of open governance gained foothold, I think, only after the Sunflower Movement's occupy,

where people, for the first time, demonstrated in the parliament,

that they are able to talk about the trade service agreement.

This really was the landmark change, and everything else that we see as that

is kind of repercussion of this kind of demonstration, including this post of digital minister.

In my childhood, people wouldn't even entertain the idea of a woman running for president.

But for the last election, we had two ladies running for the president,

and people generally see it as fine, right?

So in the brief span of maybe just 30 years,

the society has just evolved so much.