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  • Hi. It's Mr. Andersen and welcome to the immune system podcast. In this podcast

  • I wanted to start with a little history. These are some beautiful illustrations from the

  • Florentine Codex which is thousands of pages long. It was created over about 45 years by

  • this guy, this friar. And basically what we did was he studied Aztec culture and how it

  • changed over his lifetime. So we've converted a lot of this to English and you can find

  • some if it on Wikipedia. It's just fascinating. So you could see these rituals and these chieftains.

  • And he would describe all of it. But a sad part of that is that he describes how small

  • pox came and devastated the Aztec. And it's one of the reasons why the Spanish were able

  • to conquer them. And so they didn't have a immunity to it. And that's what this is about.

  • So basically what happens with any kind of a infection, a viral infection like this,

  • is you have a virus. And that virus is essentially going to gain entry inside your cells. It's

  • going to use the machinery of your cell to make copies of itself. And more copies of

  • itself. And more copies of itself. And eventually it's going to destroy the cell and it's going

  • to spread off to infect other cells. And so that seems awful. In other words when you

  • get a cold what's happening is that your cells are making viruses which are spreading to

  • more cells. And if it weren't for our immune system we would be devastated by all the viruses

  • that are around us. And so we have to have protection. And so I like the analogy of a

  • castle. A castle needs protection as well. And so if you're building a castle, you have

  • to think about a few ways to defend yourself. First of all you have to defend yourself from

  • the outside. So it's good to have a moat. It's also good to have a really large wall.

  • So it's hard for people to get over it. And this castle's great because it's got water

  • on all sides of it. You also have to have soldiers. So if anybody were to ever get close

  • to the gate you could shoot them with arrows or pour hot tar on them. But if they were

  • to breach the wall you have to be able to fight them there as well. But probably when

  • you're defending a castle a more important thing is you have to have intelligence. You

  • have to have spies that are sent out to surrounding areas to do reconnoissance and figure out

  • what's going on. To recognize invaders when then come. And so I'm going to quit talking

  • about castles and we're going to talk about the immune system. But the same thing works

  • inside us. And so the idea of a castle wall. Let's start with that. And so what protects

  • us from infection, our castle wall is going to be our skin. And so what our skin provides

  • us with is it provides us with a barrier. So there's going to be a barrier of cell,

  • dead cells, on the top. And keratin on the top. It's also going to have a really low

  • pH which makes it hard for any kind of bacteria to live there. And we're also going to have

  • chemicals on the surface of our skin that are going to disrupt certain viruses. And

  • also we're going to have bacteria that crowd out our skin. And so it makes it hard for

  • other bacteria to gain entry. We have what are called normal flora that just live on

  • our skin. And so all of this is going to provide protection against infection. But occasionally

  • you know that that get's breached. Occasionally you cut yourself or a pin prick or something

  • like that gains entry. And so that would be just like the soldiers making it over the

  • wall. And so what do we have? Well we have a call to arms. We have inflammation. So basically

  • we have chemicals that are released that cause our body to respond to that. Now you constantly

  • are being infected, especially if you are a teenager because you get acne. So what is

  • acne? Acne is essentially an infection in the pores of your skin. So it's bacteria that

  • are living and feeding inside our body. And so how do we fight that? Well we'll plug it

  • up for one thing, but we have swelling. So we're going to increase the heat. But basically

  • we're going to send soldiers in there. And those soldiers are the macrophages. Those

  • are going to be the eaters or the big eaters. And what they're going to do is they're going

  • to find anything that's not part of our body and they're going to eat it. So any invader

  • is called antigen. And so basically what a macrophage will do is it will notice that

  • this is not part of our body. It will grab on to it. It will take it into the macrophage.

  • It'll secrete lysosomes and enzymes into it which break it up. It will lots of times present

  • that on its surface, but eventually gets rid of it. And so this is an actual picture of

  • a macrophage. And you can see it's grabbing I don't know if it's viruses or bacteria on

  • either side. And so that's great. But the one thing about it is it attacks anything

  • that's not us. In other words if you get a heart implant from someone else, or you get

  • a heart transplant, those macrophages are going to attack it as well. It's going to

  • kill that. And so we also have what's called a specific immune response. Specific immune

  • response is more like the spies. And so basically here's an antigen again. An antigen is going

  • to have specific proteins on its surface. But to fight that we use what are called antibodies.

  • And so the name antigen means an antibody generator. In other words it generates the

  • formation of antibodies. So what are antibodies? Antibodies are going to be proteins produced

  • by our body. And basically they all look the same. They're this Y kind of a shape. So they're

  • a Y shape like this. We produce almost an infinite number and an infinite variety of

  • them. But at the top of the Y you're going to have different shapes. In other words,

  • you're going to have a shape that looks like this. But you're also going to have an equal

  • shape that might look like this. And you're going to have an equal shape that might look

  • like this. And so we're going to have all of these different shapes at the top. But

  • we're only going to produce the shape for the one thing that we're infected by. So basically

  • the antibody will dock to the antigen. And when it does that basically it marks the antigens

  • so macrophages can find it. And it also makes it harder for them to do their job. Imagine

  • if I had another antibody here. And another antibody here. And another antibody here.

  • It's hard for them to do their job. And so when you gain immunity, specific immunity

  • or specific immune response what that means is you have the ability to produce these antibodies.

  • And that's why when you have a cold you're not going to get that same cold again. And

  • so basically how do we do this? Or how does this work? Well we need what are called lymphocytes.

  • Lymphocytes are a type of white blood cells. And so basically there are two types of lymphocytes.

  • There are B lymphocytes and then there are T lymphocytes which will get to in just a

  • second. Okay. So B lymphocytes are made in the bone marrow. And they're responsible for

  • a humoral response. Now this term I'm going to show you a couple more times in this podcast.

  • Humoral means in the fluid or in the humers of your body. So that means in the blood.

  • In the lymph material. In the lymph vessels. In the interstitial fluid. And so humoral

  • response, what I want you to think about is going to be anytime there are viruses free

  • in the fluids of our body. And what the B lymphocytes do is they produce antibodies.

  • So how does that work? Basically you have a naive B cell. It's going to sense the shape

  • of the antigen. I'll tell you how that works in just a second. But basically what it's

  • going to do is it's going to produce antibodies. And so what B lymphocytes do is they produce

  • all of these antibodies that are specific for the antigen. So in other words if we're

  • infected by this virus, we'll call this virus A1, then we're going to produce antibodies

  • for that specific antigen. We're also going to produce memory B cells so that we have

  • that immunity for the rest of our life. So those are the B lymphocytes. And so you might

  • think, if they attack the viruses out inside our body then what do the T lymphocytes do?

  • Well the T lymphocytes are responsible for cell mediated response. What does that mean?

  • They're going to target and kill the cells inside our body that are already infected.

  • Okay. So what are the T lymphocytes? Where are they made? They're made in the thymus

  • gland which kind of sits on the top of our heart. Basically what they do is they create

  • what are called kill T cells or killer T lymphocytes. And so a killer T cell is an activated T cell.

  • Basically what it will do is it'll find any of the cells inside our body that are infected

  • with a virus. It'll dock next to them and it will kill our own cells. And so it's going

  • to kill any of the cells inside our body that are infected by the virus. Or even cancerous

  • cells, it's going to kill them. So it's made in the thymus and it produces cell death inside

  • us. And so the T lymphocytes are responsible for this cell mediated, I mean killing cells

  • inside, our cells that are infected. B lymphocytes are going to be in the humers of our body.

  • And so if I were to summarize this a little bit, this would be the humoral response up

  • here. So what type of cells are responsible for that? Those is going to be the B cells.

  • And here's the cell mediated down here. Those are going to be the killer T cells. And so

  • before we get to that let's look over here on the left side. So basically what's happening?

  • We have an antigen that is eaten by a macrophage. That macrophage is going to chop up that antigen.

  • It's going to present pieces of it on its surface. And so we use a chemical called MHC2.

  • It's major histocompatibility complex 2. It's going to present the shape of that antigen

  • on it's surface and now we get this cell right here which is super important. It's call the

  • T helper cell. What the T helper cell is going to do is it's going to dock and it's going

  • to physically sense the shape of that antigen. It uses another protein called CD4. And it's

  • going to sense the shape of that antigen. The helper T cell is responsible for initiating

  • both the humoral and the cell mediated immune response. So let's see what helper T cell

  • is going to do. Helper T cell is going to tell that shape to the B cells. And so it

  • can produce more antibodies. It's going to activate macrophages. So it can kill more

  • of them inside the humers of our bodies. So it's responsible for that humoral response.

  • And the helper T cell is also going to activate the killer T cells. So they can kill the cell

  • mediated, or excuse me, the cell's that are infected by a virus. And so if isn't for these

  • guys, if it isn't for the helper T cells, we're out of luck. Now sadly, helper T cells

  • are the cells that are infected by HIV or people who have AIDS. And so you can see why

  • that's a really bad thing. Because without the helper T cells we can't fight normal infections.

  • So if you have HIV you don't die of that. You're dying of normal infections that we

  • would fight off. So let me kind of do this in cartoon style. If we were to animate it

  • again. So what we've got here is our antigen. Remember that's our invader. And so basically

  • what's going to happen is it is going to be eaten by a macrophage. So the macrophage will

  • take it in. It will secrete enzymes into to it which are going to digest that antigen.

  • It will get rid of it. But it's also going to grab on to a little bit of that. It's going

  • to grab on with this major MHC. It's going to take it's shape out to its surface and

  • now we have helper T cell. What's helper T cell going to do? Helper T cell is going to

  • dock with that macrophage. And it's going to sense the shape of that antigen. It's now

  • going to become an activated helper T cell. So thinking back to that flow chart just a

  • second ago, where does it go next? Well it can activate macrophages. But more importantly

  • it's going to activate B cells. So now we've got an activated B cell. It's going to activate

  • killer T cells. And now through clonal selection it's basically, they're going to make clones

  • of themselves. We're going to have a whole bunch of activated B cells. We're going to

  • have a whole bunch of activated killer T cells. So now, thinking about it, this on the top

  • is going to be the humoral response up here. And this down here is going to be the cell

  • mediated response. And so basically we can fight those antigens out here in the humers

  • of the body. We do that by sticking antibodies to it so macrophages can eat it, break it

  • down. We also inactivate them a little bit. But if you look down here, that killer T cell

  • is docked with a cell inside our own body that's already infected by an antigen. And

  • so it's going to secrete enzymes into it that are going to break that down. So it's going

  • to kill that. And so basically what we have done is we've killed them in the humers or

  • in the fluids of the body and then we've killed cells that are infected. And so this takes

  • awhile. But it's going to be your immune response. And it's specific to that antigen. Until we

  • get that specific antigen, we're not going to produce the antibodies for it. So let's

  • talk about a cold, because I'm getting a cold right now. So basically what happens is you're

  • exposed to the cold right here. The virus is going to start reproducing inside my body

  • and it's going to take me a little while for me to start building memory, excuse me, B

  • cells and killer T cells. And so there's going to be a lag time but essentially I'm going

  • to produce a whole bunch of antibodies and effector T cells. So that's going to increase

  • inside my body. And this time right here is where I actually feel like I have a cold.

  • So this is me feeling like I have a cold, but really what's happening is it's my body

  • fighting and killing off all the viruses. And so let's say I get exposed to that same

  • cold again in the future. Well in the future I'm going to get exposed to it. But since

  • I have so many antibodies I'm going to produce them so quickly. And since I have these memory

  • B cells and memory T cells that are just hanging out, I'm going to fight off and kill that

  • infection before I even realize that I have a cold. And this could be years later. Now

  • how could colds get around this, and they do get around it? Well they can have a bunch

  • of different types and colds I think have a hundred different types of rhinoviruses.

  • But they also can mutate. And if they mutate they change the shape of the antigen. And

  • now those antibodies aren't going to work anymore. And so that's the immune response.

  • If you think of it this way, it's like keeping the invaders out of the castle. You're at

  • least one step closer to understanding the immune system. And I hope that's helpful.

Hi. It's Mr. Andersen and welcome to the immune system podcast. In this podcast

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