or should we say, have a seat, mom.

蓋爾·金：請坐，塞雷娜·威廉姆絲，

(Cheers)

或是應該說「請坐吧，母親。」

So no doubt, you guys are like me.

（歡呼聲）

You saw the release of Serena

毫無疑問，你們和我一樣。

in that great yellow bathing suit last week

大家都看到塞雷娜上周發佈的， 穿著黃色泳裝的照片，

and when I saw it, all I could think of was,

當我看到那張照片的時候， 我一直在想：

"Gosh, why couldn't she have waited til we sat onstage for TED?"

「天哪，她為什麼不等到 TED 演講時再公開呢？」

I was very selfish, I know.

我知道自己很自私。

So I asked you about that picture,

我問了你那張照片的事，

and you said nobody was supposed to see that picture.

你說你原來沒打算 讓其他人看到那張照片。

What do you mean?

這話是什麼意思？

Serena Williams: Well, actually, it was an accident.

塞雷娜：那其實是一場意外。

I was on vacation, just taking some time for myself,

我當時在度假， 只是給自己留點私人時間，

and I have this thing where I've been checking my status

我就用 Snapchat 檢視自己的狀態，

and taking pictures every week to see how far along I'm going --

每周拍些照片來記錄自己的變化。

GK: And sharing it with friends, maybe?

蓋爾：然後可能會分享給朋友們？

SW: No, actually I have just been saving it,

塞雷娜：不，其實我只想保存下來。

and I didn't really tell a lot of people,

說實話，我沒有告訴很多人，

to be quite honest,

我一直在保存照片，

and I'd been saving it,

但是你也知道社交媒體， 按錯了一個按鈕就…

and you know how social media is, you press the wrong button and --

（笑聲）

(Laughter)

蓋爾：就成這樣了。

GK: And there it was.

塞雷納：所以 30 分鐘之後… 我的電話向來不怎麼響，

SW: So 30 minutes later -- my phone doesn't ring that much --

30 分鐘之後， 就有四個未接來電，

and 30 minutes later, I missed like four calls,

我當時就想，有點奇怪啊，

and I'm like, that's weird,

然後我接了電話。 我心想：「噢，不。」

and then I picked it up and I was like, oh no.

但那其實正合時機。

But it was a good moment.

我原本打算再多等個五六天， 沒關係的。

I was gonna wait literally just five or six more days -- that's OK.

蓋爾：我知道，因為這很奇怪， 因為上面只寫了20 週，

GK: I know, because it was weird, Serena, because it only said 20 weeks,

所以並沒有透露很多信息。

so it's not like there was a whole lot of information on it.

塞雷納：沒錯， 我一直以來都是這麼做的。

SW: Exactly, so that's what I've been doing all this time.

我一直在追蹤記錄。

I've been just tracking it.

18 週，19 週… 每週我都會拍下照片並保存起來，

18, 19 -- every week I'd just take a picture and save it,

本來一切都很順利， 結果這次失手了。

and I've been so good about it,

蓋爾：就這樣公佈出來了。 好吧，恭喜你。

and this was the one time that I slipped.

塞雷娜：謝謝。

GK: There you go. Well, congratulations.

蓋爾：其實真的挺好。 當你得知這個消息時，

SW: Yes, thank you.

你是興奮，還是害怕或者擔憂？

GK: It really is OK. When you heard the news,

我指的是當你得知懷孕的時候。

were you excited? Were you afraid? Were you worried?

塞雷娜：我是在澳網公開賽 開賽前兩天得知的，

That you were pregnant, I mean.

這是最重要的大滿貫比賽之一。

SW: So I heard it two days before the beginning of the Australian Open,

蓋爾：開賽前兩天才得知？

which is one of the biggest grand slams.

塞雷娜：是的，兩天前才知道。 我非常緊張。

GK: You found out two days before?

我不知道當時應該想些什麼，

SW: Yeah, so it was two days before, and I knew.

但那時候我只知道，集中精力 打好澳網公開賽才是最重要的，

I was nervous.

但我完全不知道該做什麼。

I wasn't quite sure what to think,

我心想：我能參賽麼？

but I just knew that at that moment

我知道開始的 12 週是非常危險，

it was really important for me to just focus right there

所以我有很多顧慮。

at the Australian Open,

蓋爾：但你不僅參加了， 威廉姆絲女士，你還贏了。

and I was definitely not sure what to do.

（歡呼聲）

I was like, can I play?

塞雷娜：是的。

I know it's very dangerous, maybe, sometimes in the first 12 weeks or so,

蓋爾：我得對你說， 你贏得了 23 場大滿貫賽事冠軍。

so I had a lot of questions.

塞雷娜：謝謝你。

GK: But not only did you play, Ms. Williams, you won.

蓋爾：而且還在懷孕期間。

(Cheers)

（掌聲）

SW: Yeah.

塞雷娜：我只想多打一場障礙賽。

May I just say, 23 grand slams to you.

蓋爾：你得知自己懷孕後， 在比賽時有什麼不同？

SW: Thank you.

塞雷娜：是的，確實不容易。

(Applause)

聽說過很多關於懷孕後的說法， 孕婦會感到噁心和疲憊。

GK: While pregnant!

蓋爾：你有晨吐嗎？ 塞雷娜：我運氣不錯，還沒有。

SW: Well, I was looking for another handicap, so ... no.

但她們都感到疲憊和非常緊張，

GK: Did you play differently that game, knowing you were pregnant?

而我必須把這些能量 通通放進紙袋裡，然後扔掉，

SW: I did. It wasn't very easy.

因為我覺得真的沒有時間 去處理任何額外的情緒和事情，

You hear all these stories about people when they're pregnant,

無論會否懷孕，沒人知道結果，

they get sick and they get tired.

而我每次參加賽事， 就應該在那場賽事中取勝。

GK: Have you had morning sickness?

大家期待我得勝， 而如果我輸了，那將是更大的新聞。

SW: No, I've been so fortunate and so I haven't.

蓋爾：是的，如果你沒有贏， 那將是一件大事。

But they get really tired and they get really stressed out,

塞雷娜：是的，所以對於我來說， 所有的負能量和情緒，

and I had to really take all that energy,

我必須把它們通通壓抑住。

put it in a paper bag, so to say,

並且弄清楚下一步要做什麼。

and throw it away,

蓋爾：你得到很多支持和愛戴。

because I really felt like I didn't have time

即使我到這裡來時， 人們也在機場攔住我，

to deal with any extra emotions, any extra anything,

我對空服員和機長說： 「猜猜我要去哪裡？」

because pregnant or not, no one knew,

他們說：「我的天， 我們很高興她懷孕了。」

and I was supposed to win that tournament

但是你也總是會遇到些怪人，

as I am every tournament that I show up.

來這裡的路上，有人跟我提起 伊利耶·納斯塔塞。

I am expected to win,

他說了些很刻薄、不適當的， 我敢說含有種族歧視的言論。

and if I don't win, it's actually much bigger news.

你還回應他了。

GK: Yeah, when you don't win, that's a big story.

你說什麼了？

SW: Yes, so for me, I had to really take anything negative

我就不重複他說的話了，

and any emotions that I was feeling at that point

但是你回應了， 你為什麼要回應呢？

and kind of just bottle them up

塞雷娜: 我認為這是 非常不恰當的評論。

and really figure out what the next step for me to do was.

不僅如此，我一直 非常支持我的同胞。

GK: You have a lot of support. You have a lot of love.

以及那些和我共事的人。

Even when I was coming here, people stopped me at the airport.

我作為職業選手將近 20 年了。

I was saying to the flight attendant, the pilot, "Guess where I'm going?"

所以對我來說， 支持女性真的很重要。

They said, "Oh my God, we're so glad she's pregnant."

這些年輕女士，

But then you always have these cranky Yankees.

她們會來更衣室， 她們想要與我合照，

On the way over here, somebody was telling me about Ilie Nastase,

對我而言，

who said some very unkind, inappropriate, dare I say racial things.

我非常想作爲她們的優秀領袖 和一個好的榜樣，

You have responded to him.

所以…

I'm not even going to dignify what he said,

（掌聲）

but you responded. Why did you respond?

不僅是因爲納斯塔塞 對我和我同伴們的粗魯言論，

SW: Well, I think there are very inappropriate comments,

我認爲為彼此相互支持，

and not only that, I've been really supportive of my peers

對自己支持是非常重要的。

and the people that I've worked with.

那個時候，我必須要說出來：

I've been a pro for almost 20 years,

我不害怕，我哪兒也不去。

and so for me, it's really important to hold women up,

但這不合適。

and it's something that these young women,

每件事都有最合適的時機地點。

they'll come to the locker room, they'll want to take pictures with me,

那個時候真的不合適。

and for me, it's just like,

蓋爾：我們要把你說的 你哪兒都不去的部分剪掉，

I want to be able to be a good leader and a good example for them.

因爲九月份你就滿 36 歲， 36 歲你的寶寶要出生了。

So not only --

你的教練也說， 年齡是很重要的。

(Applause)

尤其是在網球界， 這是尤其重要的。

Not only did he have rude things to say about me and my peers,

但他很確定你還會回來。

I felt it was important for us to stand up for each other

你有沒有想過：「我要回球場嗎？

and to stand up for myself.

否要給自己多一些休息時間呢？」

And at that point it was really important for me to say,

我知道公開賽的很多女選手在說，

like, I'm not afraid, I'm not going anywhere,

「懷孕生孩子需要多久？ 她要離開兩年嗎？」

but this is inappropriate,

你怎麼看？

and there's time and there's a place for everything.

塞雷娜：你知道， 我一直都在努力克服困難。

And that really wasn't the time and the place.

對我來說一切都取決於信念。

GK: We cut the part where you said you're not going anywhere,

我計劃當然是回歸， 我的使命還沒有完成。

because you'll be 36 in September. Baby's coming, 36.

我姐姐給了我很大的鼓舞。

And your coach said age is always important,

她比我大一歲，

but in tennis it's very important,

所以如果她還在打網球， 那麼我知道我也可以。

but he has no doubt that you're coming back.

（笑聲）

Have you thought, am I coming back?

還有很多人——羅傑·費德勒， 他也比我大一些，

Will I take some time off?

他還在一直拿冠軍， 所以我知道我也可以。

I know the women on the tour are saying,

這一切都在鼓舞著我， 尤其是最近，

"How long does it take to have a baby? Two years will she be gone?"

我知道這是我想要去完成的。

What are you thinking?

我的故事還沒結束。

SW: Well, I'm always trying to defy the odds, you know,

我和我的教練聊天，

so for me everything is really mental.

我們在聊這會成為 我新生活的一部分，

I definitely plan on coming back. I'm not done yet.

我的寶寶會站在觀眾席上，

I'm really inspired by my sister.

但願能為我加油打氣， 而不是一直哭個不停。

She's a year older than me, and that's something that --

蓋爾：不，你昨天給你的寶寶 寫了封很美的信。

if she's still playing, I know I can play.

你說—— 從老母親到年輕媽媽，

(Laughter)

從最年老的到最年輕的， 我都期盼著你的到來。

And there's so many -- Roger Federer, he's a little bit older than me

很多人都有這種感受。

and he's still winning everything, so I'm like, I know I can do that too.

我一年前見到你，塞雷娜， 我在思考你的人生。

So that's been so inspiring to me, especially recently,

你在短短六個月的時間裡， 經歷了人生的三個轉折點。

and I know that it's something I want to do.

懷孕、比賽獲勝、墜入愛河。

And my story is definitely not over yet.

我去年見到你的時候，

I was talking to my coach about it,

我問：「你的感情生活如何？」 諸如此類的問題。

and we were talking about how this is just a new part of my life,

你說：「我遇見了一個人， 有點書呆子，有點宅，

and my baby's going to be in the stands

你肯定猜不到他是誰。」

and hopefully cheering for me, not crying too much.

我問：「他叫什麼名字？」

GK: No, you wrote a beautiful letter to your baby yesterday

塞雷娜：是的，我記得這段對話。

that you said -- from the oldest mommy to the youngest one,

蓋爾：你說：「亞歷克西斯·奧哈尼安。」 我就說：「我認識他，他棒極了。」

to the oldest, to the youngest, I can't wait for you to get here.

但是我從沒想到， 你會跟一個書呆子在一起。

A lot of people feel that.

你說你也沒想到。

I saw you about a year ago, because I think about your life, Serena.

塞雷娜：我必須誠實的說， 我也沒想到。

You've had three life-changing things in a six-month time:

但這對我來說是件幸運的事。

pregnant, huge win, fell in love.

蓋爾：為什麼幸運？

And when I saw you last year,

他不像個超級宅男嗎？

I was saying, "How's your love life? Da da da."

看看他的 T 恤。

You said, "I met a guy. He's a nerdy, kinda geeky guy.

（笑聲）

You won't know who he is."

不，說真的，他人很好。

I said, "What's his name?"

塞雷娜：看得出來 他的確是個技術宅男。

SW: I remember talking to you about that, yes.

蓋爾：他人非常非常好。

GK: And you said, "Alexis Ohanian." I said, "I know him!" He's awesome.

我很喜歡他。

But I would never put you with a nerdy geek,

所以為什么是他獲得你的芳心， 而不是其他人呢。

and you said, you neither.

你是怎麼知道的 他就是那個對的人？

SW: I'm going to be honest with you, I didn't either,

塞雷娜：好吧，我不會告訴你，

but it's been the best thing for me.

但是...

GK: The best thing why?

（笑聲）

Does that look like a nerdy geek?

蓋爾：說吧，塞雷娜，說出來！

Look at the shirt.

塞雷娜：呃...

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

No, he's a very nice guy.

他就是那個人。

SW: You can tell he's into technology.

（掌聲）

GK: He's a very, very nice guy.

蓋爾：你知道我的意思。

I like him very much.

塞雷娜：他很可愛、很善良， 我媽媽也說他替人着想。

So how did he succeed when others have failed?

當她這麼跟我說的時候，

How was he the one that you knew, this is the one for me?

我覺得他真的是如此。

SW: Well, I'm not going to say that,

生活裏的一點一滴 能造成很大不同。

but ...

蓋爾：比如呢？

(Laughter)

塞雷娜：一些簡單的細節，

GK: Say it, Serena, say it!

我的時裝公司每年都有一場秀。

SW: Well ...

我們去年的秀場上， 我幾乎是瘋了一樣到處忙碌。

(Laughter)

我爲那場秀心力交瘁，

Yes.

奉獻了一切，

(Applause)

所以我忙得跑來跑去，

GK: But you know what I mean.

他當時有一件簡單襯衫，

SW: He is very loving and he's very kind, and my mom says he's very considerate,

他想確定我也有一件一樣的。

and when she said that to me,

這是一件奇怪的事情。

I was like, you know, he really is,

對我來說感受不一樣，我保證。

and it's the little things that really make a huge difference in life.

蓋爾：你的求婚很讚吧？

GK: Like?

還是說就像碧昂絲的一首歌，

SW: Something simple.

「如果你喜歡就給它戴上戒指」？

My fashion company, we have a show every year,

你對於婚姻感到有壓力嗎？

so in our show last year, I was running around like crazy,

你當時有意識到它的到來嗎？

because I do everything for the show,

塞雷娜：是啊，我對於結婚， 從來沒有什麼壓力。

and everything for it,

但我也不是那種很想結婚的人，

so I was running around like crazy,

我真的很熱愛我的生活，

and he, it was a simple gesture of this shirt that he had,

我熱愛我的自由。

and he just wanted to make sure that I had the same one,

我聽說過婚姻會帶來改變，

and it was -- it's a weird story.

但我熱愛我所做的一切，

It was better in person, I promise.

我也喜愛我的職業，

GK: Was it a wonderful proposal?

我也總是希望， 不讓任何事干擾我的職業。

Or was it a Beyoncé song?

我甚至是以職業爲中心。

"If you like it then you ought to put a ring on it"?

實際上，當他求婚的時候，

Were you feeling pressure to get married?

我幾乎是生氣了，

Did you know it was coming?

不是幾乎，我就是生氣了。

SW: Yeah, I actually never felt pressure to get married

因爲那時正好是我的訓練季，

and I can't say I'm the marrying type of person.

我說：「我要贏澳網公開賽。

I really love my life.

我不能飛到羅馬去。」

I love my freedom.

因爲他想帶我去羅馬。

I heard that kind of changes.

我說：「我不能去，我要贏。」

But I love everything that I do,

我就是那麼專注。

and I love my career,

蓋爾：好的，我們的塞雷娜是個說 「不，我不能去羅馬」的女孩。

and I always felt like I didn't want anything to interfere with that.

塞雷娜：但我真的特別 專注於達成目標。

I've actually been so career-oriented

我那個時候知道， 我想超越一個選手。

and in fact, when he proposed,

我想打破施特菲·格拉夫的記錄。

I was almost angry.

這對我真的意義非凡。

Not almost. I was angry,

當我全神貫注地投入一件事情。

because it was right in the middle of my training season,

我堅決要達到目標。

and I said, "I gotta win the Australian Open.

無論如何。

I can't fly to Rome."

蓋爾：你知道嗎， 你說，於你而言——

Because he wanted to take me to Rome,

你說過對你來說勝利是會上癮的。

and I said, "I can't. I gotta win."

塞雷娜：的確。

But that's how focused I was.

蓋爾：那是什麼意思？

GK: This is a girl that says, "No, I can't go to Rome." OK.

塞雷娜：我覺得對於我來說， 勝利真的很容易成癮。

SW: But I was really focused on reaching my goals

我覺得只要你擁有過勝利，

and I knew at that point there was one player that I wanted to pass.

就會一直想再得到它。

I wanted to pass Steffi Graf's record,

我第一次獲得冠軍時只有十七歲，

and that really meant a lot to me,

但是我永遠忘不了那種感覺。

and when I put my mind to something,

在每一次我贏得比賽的時候，

I really am determined to reach it

我都想獲得第一次奪冠的感覺。

no matter what.

世上沒有任何一種感覺 能與之相提並論。

GK: You know, you said that for you --

正如這些年所有的訓練，

I've heard you say that winning is addictive to you.

從孩童時代就開始，

SW: It is.

然後終於獲勝，這是一種奇妙的體驗。

GK: What do you mean?

我非常喜歡這種感覺。

SW: I feel like winning for me is superaddictive.

很顯然，我不喜歡輸的感覺。 我覺得——

I feel like once you experience it,

蓋爾：不，事實上， 熟悉你的人都說你輸不起。

you always want to get that feeling again,

塞雷娜：我確實有點輸不起。

and when I won my first championship, I was only 17 years old,

蓋爾：你是完全輸不起。

but I never forgot that feeling,

聽我說，沒有運動員， 沒有哪個冠軍是喜歡輸的。

and I feel like every time I win one,

這個我明白。

I want to reach that feeling of your first championship.

但是有人說，當輸了的時候， 你表現非常糟糕。