THE NOTION THAT THE GOVERNMENT

SHOULD PROVIDE A BASIC INCOME

GOES BACK CENTURIES.

THEN IT WAS THOMAS PAYNE WHO

WROTE SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

HE CALLED IT AT CITIZENS

DIVIDEND.

EVEN CONSERVATIVE ECONOMISTS

LIKE MILTON FREEDMAN THOUGHT THE

IDEA HAS MERIT.

DATE MANY CHAMPIONS BY ELON MUSK

AND ON THER TECH TITANS.

IN STOCKTON, CALIFORNIA, THEY

ARE GOING TO GIVE FOLKS $500 IN

BASIC INCOME.

WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A

TECHNOLOGY BOOK THAT'S TAKING A

LOT OF JOBS, AND SOME THINK

THERE IS A PLACE FOR NEW DEAL

FOR THOSE PEOPLE DISPLACED BY

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

BUT PEOPLE NEED TO WORK FOR A

NUMBER OF REASONS.

STOCKTON'S UNEMPLOYMENT IS 6.6%.

20% OF THE ADULTS DON'T HAVE A

HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA AND MANY

CAN'T SPEAK ENGLISH.

ALSO GIVE THEM SKILLS AND

INSTILL A SENSE OF PRIDE.

THAT'S TO ME IS A UNIVERSAL GOAL

THAT'S MORE ENRICHING THAN A

HANDOUT.

FAMILY BRUCE AND KATIE FRATES.

COMPLETE LET ME START WITH YOU,

PETER.

I HAVE WRITTEN EXTENSIVELY ABOUT

THIS.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.

THIS BOOMING IDEA, UNIVERSAL

BASIC INCOME.

>> I DON'T AGREE WITH IT.

I THINK IT MAKES NO SENSE.

I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING

IS WE SHOULD TAKE THE MONEY WE

ARE SPENDING ON WELFARE AND

POVERTY PROGRAM AND TAKE THAT

MONEY AND CONCERT IT INTO JOBS

IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHERE

POSSIBLE, AND THE PUBLIC SECTOR

IF THERE AREN'T ENOUGH.

SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE WORKING, NOT

STAYING HOME AND GETTING A

CHECK.

PEOPLE WANT TO WORK.

IN THE EARLY 1960s, POPE JOHN

PAUL II SAID IF YOU TAKE WORK

AWAY FROM A MAN YOU DENY HIM HIS

SPIRITUALITY.

I BELIEVE THAT.

YES THERE ARE A FEW BUMS OUT

THERE, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE WANTS

TO WORK.

WHY DON'T WE USE THE MONEY TO

HAVE THEM WORK.

>> THERE ARE A LOST WORKING POOR

IN THIS COUNTRY.

SO WHY NOT LET THEM BUFFER THEIR

PAYCHECK.

THERE ARE FOLKS ON BOTH SIDES OF

THE AISLE THAT THINK THAT MIGHT

BE THE RIGHT IDEA.

>> I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHEN

THESE STUDIES ARE OUT.

WHY A SUE TOPIA WON'T BE

POSSIBLE AND IF YOU ARE GIVEN

SOMETHING QUOTE-UNQUOTE FOR

FREE, IT'S STILL COMING FROM

SOMEWHERE.

IT DOES NOT INCENTIVIZE YOU TO

DO MORE.

IT ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS YOU TO

STAY AND BE

IT ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS YOU TO

STAY AND BE SLOTHFUL.

CHARLES: I REMEMBER FDR'S FOUR

FREEDOMS.

ONE THAT EASE BOTHERED ME WAS

THE FREEDOM FROM WANT.

THEY TRIED THIS LAST YEAR IN

FINLAND.

THE PROGRAM WAS A MISERABLE

FAILURE.

THEY ARE CONVINCED INCLUDING THE

BRILLIANT BILLIONAIRESTH SILICON

VALLEY THAT SOMEHOW THIS WILL

CREATE A YOU TOAFTER OF SORTS.

TAMMY: THESE INDIVIDUALS

ACCOMPLISHED A LOT.

BUT THEY VIEW SOCIETY IN A

DIFFERENT WAY.

THIS IS SPRINKLING THE RU BERKS

WITH A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.

IT'S LIBERAL CITIES LIKE

STOCKTON WHERE THEY HAVE A HIGH

POVERTY RATE.

WITH THE FAILURE OF THEIR

POLICIES.

OBVIOUSLY AS WE DISCUSSED, THIS

DESTROYS THE HUMAN SENSE OF

SELF.

IT'S A SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT, BUT

MOST OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND

ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING

SOMETHING FOR FREE YOU DON'T

TAKE IT AS SERIOUSLY.

IT'S NOTING A YOU WORKED FOR

THAT YOU OWN.

BUT I WORRY THAT GOVERNMENT

WANTS PEOPLE TO BE IN THAT

POSITION EVERYTHING JUST BARELY

MAKING IT ENOUGH SO YOU ARE NOT

WRIEGHT.

BUT YOU HAVE A VOICE.

CHARLES: WE SEE THESE EXTREME

LEVELS OF INCOME INEQUALITY IN

THE MOST OF PROGRESSIVELY RUN

CITIES AND STATES IN THIS

COUNTRY.

TO ME IT PROVES THEIR SCHEMES DO

NOT WORK, AND THEY MAKE THINGS

WORSE.

>> THE WORST THING IS TO KEEP

PEOPLE NOT WORKING.

THERE WAS A BOOK WRITTEN BY ADAM

PERKINS LAST YEAR BY A BRITISH

NEUROBOYOLOGIST.

HE LOOKED -- A NEUROBIOLOGIST.

IT AFFECTS THE BRAIN, IT AFFECTS

HOW PEOPLE THINK, THOUSAND THEY

ABROACH THE WORLD.

IF YOU KEEP PEOPLE JUST

RECEIVING A CHECK-IN STEAD OF

HAVING THEM WORK, AND USING THE

MONEY TO KEEP THEM HOME MAKES NO