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  • Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

  • It's an honor to be here.

  • Thank you for having me at Google Hong Kong.

  • I hope today through this session

  • both parties can have a blast.

  • And at any time if you feel that you want to voice out or ask

  • questions, please feel free.

  • So when I first got the invitation

  • to come to Google Hong Kong, I was thinking to myself,

  • what the hell am I going to do at Google?

  • Seriously.

  • Because you guys are the people I go to when I look at my stuff.

  • Seriously.

  • It could be through the search engine.

  • It could be through maps.

  • I like to travel a lot.

  • I could throw on a backpack and just wander off somewhere into the world and see the world.

  • So I'm always navigating through maps.

  • And lately, actually, speaking of which,I've been trying to pick up on more Japanese.

  • So I do this a lot now every day.

  • Hey Siri-san.

  • I've been trying to pick up on more Japanese.

  • So lately I've made Google Translate my best friend.

  • So I've even...

  • I'm even forcing my smartphone to converse

  • in Japanese with me, because we only have 24 hours a day.

  • So yeah.

  • But I must say, sometimes the translations

  • are still a bit funky.

  • But 80% of the time it does the job very well.

  • So thank you for whoever out there that's

  • making my life a lot easier.

  • I do visit you guys very, very often every day.

  • But I'm not here to talk about what we can Google.

  • I think you guys out of everybody

  • knows best what we can search on the internet.

  • But maybe today we could touch on some other keywords where we

  • cannot fully understand through the internet.

  • Maybe keywords like creativity.

  • I think creativity for me, it's the biggest thing.

  • Either it be through my music, or my food shows, or movies,

  • or my business.

  • Because I think without creativity we cannot really

  • ensure our place in the market.

  • And eventually you will be left behind in the world.

  • Creativity comes in many different forms and styles,

  • I guess.

  • It doesn't have to be through movies

  • or that kind of artistry.

  • It could be through tennis.

  • It could be through agriculture, architecture, woodworking,

  • lecturing, whatever it may be.

  • It could be through programming or engineering.

  • I think if Google was not as creative when they were doing the algorithms back then,

  • it would not be what it is today.

  • So a lot of people would say, yeah,

  • I'm not the creative type.

  • No.

  • We all are.

  • We just have to find that one edge.

  • We have to find how we can synergize and capitalize

  • on that on our own strengths.

  • But it is getting harder and harder to be creative,

  • I think, in this world, because everyday we

  • are flooded by so much content in our phones.

  • All the blogs that we look at, all the comments,

  • all the likes, all the streaming, all the films.

  • Everything.

  • But unknowingly, unknowingly we are so almost

  • too inspired to a point where we are losing ourselves,

  • because we are taking in everybody else's ideas--

  • their thoughts, their voices.

  • Therefore, if we are not creative enough,

  • we tend to what we call--

  • we would ride on other people's ideas.

  • Let's twist.

  • Let's tweak.

  • Let's-- in Cantonese we would say...

  • But when we get into a habit of that,

  • we forget about being original, being really creative,

  • starting our own ideas.

  • And to me that is very, very dangerous, because if what

  • you put out is no different than the person next to you,

  • if what you contribute to the company

  • is just the same as everybody else in the room,

  • let me tell you something.

  • Next year you won't be here.

  • The company doesn't need you.

  • Eventually the market doesn't need you.

  • And the world-- they don't need you.

  • So constantly ask yourself how you

  • can contribute more than the person next to you.

  • I've been in my industry for more than 22 years now.

  • And I tell you, I ask myself that question every damn day.

  • Every day.

  • Through music, through film, through my shows,

  • through my business.

  • How do I be more creative?

  • That is very, very hard.

  • And maybe even in some fields, it's getting harder and harder.

  • Like in music, I would say that it is harder for me

  • now to compose a very good piece of music

  • than it was 15, 20 years ago, because the time

  • signatures or the combinations of the notes

  • are simply being taken up.

  • It is harder to write something original than now

  • and have it not sound like that it has been written by someone,

  • sometime, like some song back then.

  • Because it's been done.

  • But in our world, that's what is happening

  • is because all the ideas are being voiced up.

  • And we are seeing it.

  • So if we don't voice out loud enough, clear enough,

  • soon enough, we are actually behind.

  • So I urge you--

  • the first key word that I would want to touch on

  • is actually creativity.

  • Does anybody have anything to say?

  • Any other things that you want to talk about?

  • Another word I would say is--

  • a keyword for me is experience, especially--

  • well, experience in terms of the verb experience, not the noun

  • experience, especially for you lot

  • where your work requires you to sit

  • behind a desk and a computer the whole day, maybe

  • the whole year.

  • But I would say that it is very important

  • to get out there to the world and really experience it.

  • Because I think the phone still only brings you halfway.

  • And you must walk the other half.

  • You know, nowadays when I'm chatting

  • with a lot of the younger generation kids, what really

  • happens a lot is that maybe the topic would

  • be along the line of, man, I was in--

  • I was-- I was in Finland last weekend.

  • The Aurora lights, they were beautiful.

  • And then the kid would say something like, yeah.

  • I know.

  • I know.

  • I saw it on YouTube.

  • Or yeah, yeah.

  • That was really cool.

  • I saw it on Facebook.

  • Yeah.

  • OK.

  • Sure.

  • I'm sure it's an opening.

  • It's an idea.

  • It's a glimpse of what it really is.

  • But if that's how you see things,

  • you don't know...

  • Again, it's a great entrance to the world.

  • But it's halfway.

  • Please, when the opportunity allows, get off your butt

  • and walk the other half, which may be even more important.

  • Experience the world.

  • The phone is awesome.

  • The net is awesome.

  • But that is halfway, halfway.

  • Is it too early for you guys, because you

  • guys look kind of stale.

  • James, maybe we could start with a more Q&A.

  • If anybody wants, please jump in.

  • One of the things that is on our minds

  • is also giving back about creativity,

  • it's about experience.

  • A lot of that is because we're sort

  • of going through life through a screen,

  • and we're not interacting much.

  • Here at Google we spent a lot of time thinking about what

  • we're doing for Hong Kong, how we're supporting non-profits,

  • how we're providing services for schools--

  • training kids that code, for example.

  • What advice do you have for us, and also for the broader

  • millennial crowd who is interested in doing something

  • for Hong Kong?

  • How to get started.

  • How to think about that.

  • And what approach to take.

  • Thank you.

  • Thank you.

  • I think keep doing what you're doing.

  • Really.

  • But we cannot lose the--

  • what we're trying to do is share, I think, in this era.

  • And of course, sharing comes in different forms also.

  • And that's what Chef Nic, the brand,

  • is trying to do is because I think even now,

  • when you see families going off to go out to dinners,

  • they're eating through looking through their--

  • looking through their phones the whole time.

  • Actually, that's losing the true essence

  • of why we are eating together.

  • And that's what we're trying to promote through the "Chef Nic"

  • show is 鋒味.

  • What is 鋒味 is to actually enjoy a meal together.

  • And that's why-- that's what cooking has also taught me.

  • is let me tell you.

  • I was in really, really bad terms with my parents

  • for the longest time.

  • I was in boarding school ever since I was 12.

  • And then at the age of 14, I was sent to Tokyo

  • to start training in music.

  • By 16, I started working.

  • And I never really got a chance to have

  • a relationship with my parents.

  • And we've been on bad terms for the longest time,

  • until, until I started cooking.

  • Because when you cook, it's the food-- you don't eat it alone.

  • You want to share it.

  • You want to get some feedbacks.

  • And it gave me a medium to know how

  • to talk to my parents...

  • Whatever you cooked back then was really cool.

  • And you want to teach me?

  • It became-- now it's a habit, you know.

  • Does the food matter?

  • Of course it does.

  • But what really matters is how you find your way to share.

  • And I think keep doing what you're doing.

  • But if you can think of the third party,

  • then I think that the whole picture is much bigger.

  • Cool.

  • Why don't you take a seat.

  • We'll chat a little bit and get comfortable.

  • It was very inspiring talk, hearing talk

  • about creativity and the journey where you just

  • mentioned how cooking brought you and your family closer

  • together.

  • Right.

  • So a little bit on "Chef Nic."

  • It's now in its fifth season.

  • We're seeing a lot of traction both online and offline.

  • But I want to kind of turn back the clock back to 2014.

  • What besides what you just mentioned about the parents

  • thing-- but what was the thing that made you transition

  • from the singer, the actor to Chef Nic?

  • And what was that transition like?

  • I didn't think I--

  • I wasn't looking for a transition, really.

  • I thought I could do everything together.

  • Right?

  • I'm still doing music.

  • I'm still doing films.

  • It's weird, because people look at this

  • like I'm moving from woodworking to pharmacy.

  • It's not that far.

  • I think what I'm doing with food, with movies, and also

  • music, and the business together, I

  • think, as a whole it has perfect synergy.

  • I don't think that they're really unrelated.

  • And that's how I do things.

  • If I cannot pull resources from somewhere,

  • somehow to contribute into a new thing I do,

  • then I really would reconsider to either do it or not.

  • Because to start fresh at a later age-- later age--

  • is maybe at a disadvantage.

  • But first of all, I found food to be a true passion.

  • And then I also saw that it would be the next biggest thing

  • after communication and tech.

  • So I thought how I could kind of rejuvenate

  • the whole entertainment business of mine

  • and make it a long lasting one, I guess.

  • Was this interest in food something

  • that was always there?

  • It was always there.

  • But I thought to make it a bit more serious.

  • And at the time I think mainland China was actually--

  • it was really lacking a decent food or lifestyle show.

  • So we started 2014.

  • Right?

  • Yeah.

  • And we just finished the fifth season this year.

  • Yeah.

  • I've been watching.

  • Thank you.

  • So on the food topic, I'm sure you hear this a lot.

  • And even people who know me doing this have asked

  • this as well is that, you've never worked in the kitchen.

  • Can you really cook?

  • Like, obviously I heard stories.

  • And I know that you put a lot of hard work and dedication

  • and courage into being who you are today and achieving

  • what you've done.

  • But not everybody has seen that.

  • So what goes through your mind when

  • you hear criticism like this?

  • And how do you deal with?

  • It's logically acceptable.

  • Because first of all, we may think

  • that because someone has not been doing something for really

  • long, they can't be good at it.

  • Right?

  • That's the logic.

  • It's OK.

  • It's OK.

  • But that's almost like saying--

  • let put it this way.

  • That's almost like saying we as a human race,

  • we've been using the landline telephone for centuries.

  • Why don't we stick with it?

  • That must be the best way.

  • So dump all your iPhones.

  • Dump all your mobiles right now.

  • Let's go back to the landline, because we've been doing

  • that for the longest time.

  • Right?

  • That's like saying, we as a human race,

  • we've been using the--

  • we've been driving gasoline automobiles for centuries.

  • So has Elon Musk gone crazy to start Tesla?

  • Why are there so many electronic cars out there now?

  • Because that must be the best way,

  • because we've been doing it for the longest time.

  • I think we are that narrow-minded.

  • That really frightens me, because we are in a new era.

  • There are perks and different texts

  • now out there that allows us to pick up on information much

  • more rapidly than it has been in the traditional kitchen, I would say.

  • Oh, I'm sorry.

  • But the way I've heard is maybe the first apprentice cook

  • would be peeling vegetables for maybe a year or two.

  • But I have my ways, or I have saved up enough money

  • to be peeling something much more in the first year.

  • Yeah.

  • I mean, like we hear all these stories

  • about like, chefs training in Japan

  • and like they're washing rice for like seven years

  • before they can make sushi.

  • Right.

  • So is that the best and only way?

  • I don't think we can be that narrow-minded in thinking like that.

  • Of course, there has been a lot of hard work

  • and time and effort put into it.

  • But I don't have to get into those.

  • Yeah.

  • But how do you stay focused on doing what you need to do?

  • Do you have like a system?

  • Do you have a way to do things?

  • Because obviously it's a lot of work.

  • It's a lot of work.

  • There's a lot of learning involved.

  • Like, how do you stay organized?

  • How do you stay focused?

  • That's one thing I learned in the kitchen is

  • time management.

  • Because when you're trying to serve two dishes, it's easy.

  • For two, it's easy.

  • For four, it's OK.

  • For eight, yeah, it's not bad.

  • But when you try and do eight dishes for a table of 10,

  • and they all have to be hot when you serve like,

  • in Chinese food.

  • It's not that easy.

  • And when you do one of my Michelin galas,

  • when you're serving for 700, they still have to be hot.

  • And you've got eight minutes of serving time for 700 fine dining.

  • It's very hard.

  • But then you learn.

  • Gradually, eventually you learn how to pace ourselves.

  • And then your organization.

  • Like what I just demonstrated on my phone.

  • I try to squeeze in all these little seconds and milliseconds

  • in my life to gain just that much more.

  • But I guess when there's a will, there's a way.

  • I don't know your time schedules.

  • But you figure that out for yourself.

  • But there are these little gaps in life

  • where you can just squeeze in a bit more here

  • and there, knowledge.

  • And then eventually that adds up.

  • That adds up.

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah.

  • I think it's amazing how you're able to balance so many things

  • and do everything so well.

  • And I'm a very--

  • naturally I'm a very [SPEAKING CHINESE] person.

  • I'm a very--

  • I'm very curious about everything.

  • You know?

  • I mean, I look up stuff just to know, just to ask why, where,

  • when, how.

  • And when I start something, I don't

  • like to stop until I actually get somewhere.

  • That's just a personality.

  • Yeah, I've heard many stories as well about--

  • Really?

  • --deep you go and how kind of focused you are,

  • and how deep down you drill into everything that you try to learn.

  • And I think that's something that's very admirable.

  • Oh.

  • I can be a pain in the ass in that aspect.

  • Yeah.

  • But like I said, you're a man of many hats.

  • You're developing a chef career on the side.

  • You have music.

  • You have acting.

  • All that together.

  • Kind of bringing the conversation back

  • to where it started with music, your last Cantonese album

  • was in 2005.

  • Really?

  • One step closer.

  • Right.

  • And then your last Mandarin album

  • was 10 years ago.

  • It was 2009.

  • Oh.

  • So I know you haven't stopped doing music.

  • So you've done movie songs, you did songs for your show.

  • And over the past 12 months, personally, I've

  • seen you kind of do a little bit more.

  • Started with 2018 [INAUDIBLE] in that performance.

  • You launched three singles this year.

  • You were a guest judge on "The Voice."

  • And now just recently you had the RTHK performance.

  • So is this foreshadowing something?

  • Are we going to see more music coming from you in 2019?

  • I didn't really plan this.

  • I think I'm just going with the flow, really.

  • Sometimes.

  • But I think at different times with different inspirations,

  • or sometimes I feel that there are different advantages

  • for different fields.

  • You know how sometimes the stock market,

  • it's doing better than the real estate.

  • Sometimes music is doing better than film.

  • And that's how I can kind of weasel around and do my thing,

  • because there's never one trend that's always at the top.

  • That's actually true.

  • If you really look at the market,

  • something is always doing a bit better.

  • And if the trend is like that, and you kind of catch the wave,

  • man, you're on top.

  • Because when we started the "Chef Nic" show,

  • we are definitely the biggest food show in China.

  • When we started in 2014, by the third season

  • we were doing over 300 million RMB.

  • And now we're in the fifth season.

  • But if you catch the wave, that's a different thing.

  • That's a different thing.

  • So I think we're doing very stable in "Chef Nic."

  • So I think now I have the time to kind of--

  • Do more music.

  • --do more music.

  • So does that mean we'll see the album--

  • an album this year?

  • I don't know if I'm working on a full album.

  • But I don't really think if that really matters anymore

  • in the new market.

  • Right?

  • But yeah.

  • But what does matter?

  • I'm hoping for--

  • I'm actually working on a concert.

  • But there's--

  • That's what we were going to ask.

  • In Hong Kong everybody

  • is starting a concert as if they have nothing else to do.

  • And still hard to buy tickets.

  • So.

  • We need a bigger stadium.

  • That's what we need.

  • Yeah.

  • We need a bigger--

  • A new, bigger stadium.

  • --platform.

  • We need more creativity.

  • Maybe that's why I couldn't book my stadium schedule, because I've been dissing it the whole time.

  • Well, time to get creative and think

  • about something different.

  • Right?

  • Back on the topic of [SPEAKING CHINESE], "The Voice."

  • A lot of people have said that this season was a lot better

  • than previous seasons.

  • I think so.

  • Personally, I think you being on it injected

  • kind of a different dynamic.

  • It was-- it was interesting to see how seriously you took it.

  • Again, stories.

  • I heard a story that maybe I want

  • you to share with everybody about the drumming performance.

  • So I actually heard from Derek how hard you prepared for it

  • and how you kept on--

  • Well, preparation for the performance is a given.

  • But actually, when you talk about "The Voice," what I would

  • actually want to share is--

  • I don't know how many people has watched the show.

  • But you know how I got totally bashed

  • when I started hammering onto the button at first

  • in the first two episodes, because there are actually these two new perks.

  • They changed the way the game played this year.

  • That to start off with, all the contestants--

  • there are about 150 contestants put into one room.

  • And they are watching a live feed of whatever is happening on stage-- the performance, along with the judges' comments and how they would choose their team.

  • That's one thing.

  • The second thing is, each judge would have a six-person quota

  • to choose into assembling their team.

  • And if you do choose a seventh person,

  • that person would have to battle out any of their chosen--

  • the person from the original team.

  • So thinking like that, there are a few things

  • I tried doing is the first episode, if people

  • who have seen the show would see me just hearing the first two sentences, and then I would be smashing onto the button.

  • And then the reporters, the viewers,

  • who would say, he doesn't know Jack about music! Go back to cooking!

  • How could you choose someone from just listening

  • for the first two words?

  • What I found out was, I am very aware that for the past 10

  • years, like you said--

  • my last album was maybe 10 years ago--

  • I'm very aware that a lot of the younger kids,

  • they don't see me as a singer.

  • They don't see me as a musician.

  • If I were to fight for these contestants over--

  • with the other judges, I would have a very big disadvantage.

  • The only way I could plant some ideas into the 150 contestants

  • that are watching the live feed is

  • by hammering onto that button and slowly turning around,

  • because therefore, I have the floor.

  • I have the power of speech. Because they didn't choose the person.

  • I did.

  • So actually I'm trying to voice out and tell

  • not the person on the stage, but the 150 in the room,

  • what I have done or what my views on music

  • is so that they would feel more comfortable joining my team.

  • But then, man, I got totally bashed by the media,

  • by everybody else.

  • Yeah, stop this guy, or he's crazy, or whatever.

  • And that's one thing I found that was really

  • helping me out strategically.

  • The second thing is people are also bashing me for--

  • I would choose a lot of contestants

  • because I was solely pressing onto the button.

  • But what I was also doing is, I found out

  • if you had to choose a seventh member,

  • and if your whole team was equally matched, six of them

  • were equally as good, it's very hard for a newcomer

  • to choose who they would like to battle.

  • But if you have two that are--

  • it's cruel to say this-- but, if you

  • have two that is obviously a bit weaker,

  • it's easier for the newcomer to choose from.

  • So you could always keep on upgrading your team,

  • if that makes sense to anybody.

  • But strategically, I think I've done something new in the show.

  • Yeah.

  • So it seems like you took a very strategic approach

  • on how you picked your team and how you--

  • Yes.

  • But at the end, I hope all these elements

  • would bring a better show.

  • Yeah.

  • Right.

  • So how long was the filming of the entire process?

  • The shooting days was 29 days.

  • But the whole process with all the rehearsal

  • and all the training was maybe three months.

  • So over that span, like being on "The Voice"

  • and this is a relatively new experience for you.

  • Yeah.

  • What do you think was the biggest thing that you

  • learned or gained from that?

  • For me, it was a great platform

  • to get back into music, because it

  • has the most reach right now in terms of variety shows in China.

  • So...

  • Are you going back next season?

  • I don't know.

  • I don't know.

  • OK.

  • But some stuff like that, like kind of music shows and stuff

  • are still something you'd like to be more involved in?

  • Definitely. Definitely.

  • OK.

  • As I talked about at the beginning of the talk,

  • you're the first guest we're having here at Talks at Google in Hong Kong.

  • So I'd be remiss not to bring the conversation back to tech a little bit.

  • All right.

  • I heard that you're a very heavy YouTube user.

  • So let's start from there.

  • No, no.

  • You told me in the room.

  • Sure.

  • So what's your view on kind of technology

  • and how we interact with platforms like YouTube and other social media?

  • And how do you think that plays into today's world, and even your own life and career?

  • Well, definitely for me it's a very important part of my life now.

  • I think for any of us, really.

  • We've just got gotten into the habit of learning a lot.

  • Even like, my kids, they're always on YouTube.

  • Seriously.

  • I think the tech nowadays, it has really enhanced the speed of our learning curve.

  • We are picking up the goods and bads through the internet.

  • Like, even through food

  • like how tech has really changed food immensely through the past 10 years now.

  • The delivery system has allowed us

  • to choose fresh goods from the internet, stuff like that.

  • You're not a very heavy user on social media.

  • Right.

  • I'm not a social media guy.

  • But if there's a destination I'm looking for,

  • then I would definitely go on it.

  • Do you feel that social media nowadays has kind of become something that

  • more or less kind of consumes people and has become more of an addiction for some people and...

  • Well, definitely.

  • takes away from the benefits of technology?

  • But then I think it's

  • a balance between for everything that we do.

  • If we go to extreme, it's always kind of harmful.

  • So we just have to balance it out.

  • Is that why you're not on it?

  • Or you just don't like it?

  • I'm just not in the habit of doing the...

  • that maybe it's just not me.

  • Right?

  • But it's--

  • I think it's also a platform for you to kind share your views sure

  • and share what you've done and something like that.

  • So maybe something to consider.

  • Of course. Of course.

  • I'm sure if you opened up a YouTube channel

  • and shared your cooking tips,

  • everyone here would be love to subscribe.

  • But then that's another thing

  • right now that's really-- there's a bit of a language barrier.

  • I mean, I have a lot of clips, but they're in Mandarin.

  • Yeah.

  • So if I do put it on YouTube,

  • then I would have to kind of redo the exact same thing,

  • but one maybe in English or in Cantonese.

  • That really pisses me off.

  • Right?

  • I have to do three of the same thing.

  • I would have to kill three fish to do a steam fish.

  • Yeah.

  • And if you only kill one fish, people will be commenting again and saying

  • Right?

  • there's already a cut there.

  • Yeah.

  • OK, I've been meaning to ask you about a show

  • that you did called "Celebrity Chef East Versus West."

  • So you faced off against star chef David Rocco.

  • And it was a five episodes mini-series.

  • And spoiler alert-- you won.

  • Why did you choose to go film an English show?

  • What was that experience like?

  • Well, back to the part where a lot of people

  • has been doubting me for the cooking part.

  • So all you could do really is just

  • to go the extent to prove yourselves.

  • I think that in--

  • I've been doing that in every field, really.

  • That's why I put myself through competitions.

  • Especially when you do a foreign show like from Fox.

  • Then it's not a "Chef Nic" show.

  • That if I can't prove myself through that kind of platform,

  • then the haters will be haters.

  • But at least I've gone the extent.

  • I might even be going back this year

  • to be judging or even competing.

  • I'm OK with competing.

  • But, yeah.

  • I think you just have to find yourself to--

  • find ways to prove yourself.

  • I have done many crazy stuff just to prove myself.

  • But sometimes that's the extent you would have to do.

  • I've jumped off buildings.

  • I've jumped off convention center in Hong Kong

  • Police Story.

  • Right.

  • When people also thought that I-- because I'm the son of two celebrities-- maybe

  • I don't take my job seriously.

  • And that's-- that's why I've been putting myself through all

  • this hardship and this pain and buildings after buildings,

  • because if that's not serious enough for you, then what is?

  • It may be silly to some people.

  • But then you go try it.

  • Right?

  • I mean, I'm sure in the room not everybody

  • is familiar with how you started and everything.

  • But definitely as someone who grew up in that generation,

  • I was able to witness all the negative--

  • Yeah, yeah.

  • All right.

  • Same generation.

  • But I was-- yeah.

  • For people who doesn't know,

  • the first four years of my career was 99% booing.

  • I would not get any applause anywhere.

  • The minute I stepped onstage it was all boos and foul language and profanities.

  • Four years.

  • And it wasn't because of what you did.

  • It was because of your background and who you were.

  • Sure.

  • Sure.

  • And it was really, really tough for four years.

  • Every time I walked off stage I would see my managers and my team.

  • They would be just...

  • they would be all holding their fist and just crying.

  • And I would be the only one that could walk back to the changing room

  • and cool myself down.

  • But I would have to endure that for every day for four years.

  • And you kept going.

  • Because back then we had so much promotion to do, all the performances.

  • Back then it was work after work.

  • And because there was no internet yet.

  • So everything was live.

  • Every day was live.

  • Every time before I walked on stage,

  • I would almost get paranoid about being booed.

  • Because it got to an extent where

  • I could not hear one word of the song I was singing.

  • It was getting that nasty.

  • Then somewhere in year 2000, it turned around.

  • What was the turning point?

  • I don't know, man.

  • You don't know.

  • Maybe, maybe there was some new kid to pick on.

  • Or maybe they just got tired of all the hating.

  • Or maybe they saw...

  • Or maybe there was enough buildings jumped.

  • But what I mean is...

  • You didn't jump the convention in 2000.

  • No, I didn't.

  • I jumped it in a 2003 or somewhere like that with Mr. Jackie Chan.

  • But yeah.

  • When there is that need, you just

  • have to find your way to excel.

  • Maybe there are some crazy things that we've got to do.

  • Thank you for that.

  • Any live questions?

  • So during the first few years

  • when things were really tough, did you ever doubt yourself

  • and think that you just weren't good enough?

  • And if you did, what kept you going?

  • I did.

  • But maybe for a very short time.

  • I never doubted myself in terms of music.

  • I never doubted myself in terms of all the hard work

  • I was putting in.

  • I believe in...

  • I think I'm a logical person.

  • And I think anybody can accomplish anything if you work hard enough.

  • Really, I don't think there was a time where

  • I think I could have given up.

  • I would just-- I'm the person that does not give up.

  • Naturally, I just have that kind of personality.

  • And the second thing is, I can't give up,

  • because I had to make a living.

  • A lot of people would imagine that because I came from a family of two actors and actresses...

  • an actress-- that I don't take my job seriously.

  • But I've been self-sustained ever since my debut.

  • At the age of 20 I'd been paying my sister's education.

  • So that's behind the scenes stories.

  • But I could not afford to give up my job back then.

  • So I took everything more seriously than anybody would have ever thought.

  • I have a question online.

  • Do you think though you've been in, like I said, over 50 films.

  • I didn't know that.

  • Yeah.

  • I looked that up.

  • What's your outlook on the genre of [SPEAKING CHINESE]??

  • Do you think there's a future?

  • What do you think the future looks like?

  • Back to the creativity thing.

  • I think we are--

  • Hong Kong right now is-- we are really lacking this part.

  • I think we have been geniuses in the stock market.

  • We are excellent in the real estate market.

  • But maybe that's the last generation, the past generations.

  • To get by in this generation we've

  • got to be really creative in our own fields.

  • Like in movies.

  • If you're talking about the movie industry.

  • I think we've all had our fair shares of the Marvel DC franchises

  • where we've all seen our Supermans, our Batmans,

  • our Ironmans, our Hulks, our Flashes, our Wonder Womans, our...

  • I can go on and on.

  • And we have all seen them.

  • The thing is, don't we have 5,000 years of history and culture?

  • But yet we are still shooting the monkey king.

  • Right?

  • Right?

  • So I urge any of you guys out there,

  • if you guys ever fantasize about our own superheroes,

  • please jot down something.

  • Write a paragraph or two.

  • Send them to me or to whoever that you think can make something happen.

  • Because we have to.

  • If we don't, we're going to be really, really behind really, really far.

  • Send in your movie idea to me.

  • I'll pass them along.

  • Yeah.

  • The next live question.

  • The question I want to ask is,

  • can you share with us one of the failure story,

  • or the moment you doubt yourself-- is a good decision to kick off this "Chef Nic" show?

  • And then if that is yes, how you overcome?

  • How you self-motivate yourself and then bring back your passion.

  • Thank you.

  • Thank you.

  • Failures.

  • Wow.

  • Many failures, really.

  • But I think in business I would say

  • one of the more obvious ones were I invested

  • in a company that did a post-production

  • at the age of 22, 23.

  • That was 2003.

  • I started a post company--

  • post-production company.

  • And we would do computer graphics.

  • We would do color grading.

  • We would do editing.

  • Dubbing for a lot of commercials and films and stuff like that.

  • Right?

  • So when you're in that kind of a hardware tech company,

  • you buy a lot of stuff.

  • You buy a lot of--

  • we call [INAUDIBLE],, editors, and mics, and this and that.

  • But back then we were at the end of the analog trend.

  • And all of a sudden things changed.

  • They don't use tapes anymore.

  • They went from analog to digital.

  • But all my hardware, they were a lot of money.

  • So all those all of a sudden went into the can.

  • And that's-- to the well where I was just saying,

  • if you can catch the trend, that's a different story.

  • I didn't back then.

  • And I lost I lost a lot of money back then.

  • I had to mortgage my house and all that.

  • But that was on me.

  • You know, everything just changed.

  • But do I-- at that time it was hard.

  • But I still believed in the network that I had built,

  • all the connections, and the work we were doing.

  • And then at the end we were OK.

  • But there were a few years that was really, really tough.

  • But as long as-- you have to stick with it.

  • I mean, a lot of stuff I do, it doesn't reflect right away.

  • Most of the stuff doesn't reflect right away.

  • The "Chef Nic" show didn't reflect right away.

  • But eventually, eventually.

  • Like how everybody would doubt me through my--

  • in my culinary journey.

  • But then last month, or two months just now,

  • I think maybe a lot of people had also had the "Chef Nic"

  • McDonald burger.

  • It was really good.

  • Thank you.

  • Thank you.

  • At that price I think we did a great job.

  • And you know, actually, right after this meeting

  • I'm going into inventing-- into the Central Kitchen

  • to invent the 2019 one again.

  • And we sold within five weeks-- just only in Hong Kong--

  • we sold over 2 million burgers.

  • And there is only, let me remind you,

  • only 6 point somewhat million population in Hong Kong.

  • I ate like, five.

  • So.

  • Thank you.

  • I thank you.

  • But then, yes.

  • It took five years to kind of prove yourself.

  • Just you really have to stick with it.

  • On the-- just a quick question also

  • online on the McDonald's collaboration.

  • Throughout the whole process, how many burgers

  • did you have to eat?

  • Man, I ate--

  • I ate a lot of burgers.

  • And there are--

  • I ate a lot of burgers.

  • We also tested a lot of the fries, a lot of the ice cream,

  • a lot of drinks.

  • And yeah.

  • There were a lot of other crazy stuff that we tested.

  • What's that creative process working

  • to create a new menu item?

  • Or to do something that's never been done before?

  • Like the pork chop.

  • Right.

  • That one's so good.

  • Yes!

  • So good.

  • That's part of being creative.

  • I think that's something that I really

  • enjoy is creating menus or writing songs and making

  • something my own.

  • And when they gave me the homework to start up something

  • that has [speaking Cantonese],, Hong Kong [speaking Cantonese]..

  • It actually-- I didn't know how to translate that, that taste--

  • Taste of Hong Kong.

  • Right.

  • I was thinking how I

  • could relate the taste of my childhood

  • to a McDonald's burger.

  • And there are other ideas that I'm still

  • working on right now, maybe later in the kitchen today.

  • Stuff like you know how Hong Kong people love

  • their [speaking Cantonese]?

  • Right?

  • I would always think that it would probably

  • work with a [speaking Cantonese].

  • Right?

  • Because that's almost the same thing.

  • But maybe a [speaking Cantonese].

  • Right.

  • Exactly.

  • But then there are ups and downs we have to overcome.

  • Like if we do work on a curry dish,

  • then the kids would be left out.

  • Right?

  • So it's a long journey.

  • But I really love it.

  • These are some of the creative juices that I have to get out.

  • I can't wait to see what you have in store.

  • Thank you.

  • Thank you.

  • Any other questions?

  • Thank you for coming.

  • Thank you.

  • And thank you for being so

  • honest with everything you say.

  • I can just feel it that you're not scripted.

  • So, thanks, James.

  • It seems like you have a lot of wisdom invested in a company

  • back when you were 22, even though it kind of went

  • through rough times.

  • So through all these times, do you look up to somebody?

  • Is somebody your mentor that has always been since day one?

  • Or that has evolved depending on which part of the industry

  • that you're in?

  • Good question, actually.

  • I don't have that person.

  • I've always thought of my mentor as logic.

  • I've really not gone to anybody about much

  • of this kind of stuff.

  • Maybe I should.

  • Really.

  • But I just don't have that person in life.

  • AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

  • So yes.

  • In my company, yes.

  • That's actually interesting.

  • I don't have that person.

  • Are you open to seeking mentorship?

  • Like seeking help and asking for that?

  • Or I don't know.

  • Like--

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

  • Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • No.

  • But what I'm saying is--

  • Did you guys open like a new department?

  • Like, I know you help a lot of young people.

  • But you're also a young person yourself, right?

  • So when you do come across--

  • Same generation.

  • Yeah, yeah.

  • Same generation.

  • When you do come across difficult decisions and stuff,

  • do you just solely--

  • you're comfortable relying on yourself and just

  • thinking that through?

  • That's something I'm actually really interested in,

  • because I'm facing similar kind of situations for my career.

  • I've always been able to--

  • I've always been able to gradually work out

  • the problems in my life.

  • So yeah.

  • I've really not found that person to go to.

  • And then because of the different fields

  • that I work on, sometimes it's music.

  • Sometimes it's film.

  • Sometimes it's business.

  • Sometimes it's kind of a bit tech.

  • So there's not really that one person I

  • can talk to regarding all the different fields.

  • Believe it or not, some of us

  • actually delayed our [INAUDIBLE] flight so we

  • can [INAUDIBLE] your talk.

  • Thank you.

  • Thank you.

  • Some people actually flew in.

  • Really?

  • Yeah, yeah, yeah.

  • Thank you.

  • Thank you.

  • So I'm curious to know what are the messages

  • or expectation or impact that you expect

  • to bring through your music, your art, or entire passion to

  • [INAUDIBLE]

  • Through music, through movies, of course.

  • Mainly it's entertainment.

  • And music, I could say, I hope it brings more--

  • I hope my music can also stimulate or console you

  • in your everyday life.

  • But in terms of a deeper message,

  • we're trying to do that through the "Chef Nic" show.

  • Because as like what I was saying about we don't share

  • correctly or how we are missing the essence of eating together,

  • I really, really learned a lot through the kitchen--

  • the time management stuff, the sharing part.

  • It has changed my personality immensely.

  • I was a really different person before I started cooking.

  • And I think especially in this day and age

  • we hope to promote a lot more activities or wilderness

  • wildlife activities, or stuff that you

  • could do apart from just looking at the phone or the computer.

  • I think that's a very, very important part of life.

  • I've got a question more about your film career.

  • So I just wanted to know moving forward--

  • so first of all, congratulations on the Best Actor award.

  • Moving forward for your future film projects,

  • are you going to be pursuing more action-driven movies

  • like "Police Story"?

  • Or are you going to go for more controversial or dramatic roles

  • that kind of further challenge your acting abilities?

  • I don't really have a preference.

  • I think that I am--

  • sometimes you need a bit of luck when you're given a script.

  • The cast has got to be right.

  • The story has to be right.

  • The whole crew has to be right.

  • The timing has to be right.

  • We always say that in the movie industry.

  • Each movie has its own journey, really.

  • All you could do is do your best when it is handed to you.

  • But I do think there is one that I'm

  • planning on in a few months.

  • It is action packed.

  • I do think Hong Kong has to find its roots some way, somehow.

  • And to me, Hong Kong movie is about Hong Kong action.

  • It has never really been about Hong Kong drama.

  • So it's going to be tough.

  • But I think, yes, I'm going to have

  • to dig down and fight again.

  • And maybe jump off some buildings.

  • I think many of us are big fans of yours.

  • Thank you.

  • Here in the room and on video.

  • And you started the talk with your [INAUDIBLE]..

  • So I was just wondering reflecting back

  • on your life path, what are some of the key words that

  • define your character, who you are today that made you to be

  • a successful life, successful career,

  • and maybe just share some words of wisdom with us.

  • Thank you.

  • Key words would be creativity.

  • Key words would be--

  • would be tenacity.

  • Key words would be synergy, actually.

  • Resourcefulness.

  • But different key words come at different times, really.

  • And to me, if I was to be greedy,

  • I would say every word is a key word.

  • Yeah.

  • Cool.

  • So before we wrap up, just one question from somebody watching

  • from the States, actually.

  • Wow.

  • What time is it over there?

  • It is late.

  • So basically, they said, at our headquarters

  • we have a program called Kitchen Sink.

  • And there are chefs that come all the time

  • to teach how to cook.

  • And if you're ever in the area, would that

  • be something you would be interested in hosting?

  • Cool.

  • Cool.

  • Hey, speaking of which, I think tech-wise,

  • right now I'm having problems with working on the VR goggle.

  • Like, when you're teaching cooking,

  • the problem is the depth.

  • You can't lean into the pot and see what's in there.

  • If you guys crack that problem, please tell me.

  • Yeah?

  • Oh, we can-- we can work together

  • and see what we can do.

  • Seriously, because I'm still

  • the Asia-Pacific marketing director for the digital domain

  • company in LA.

  • And we're still doing on the post-production for "Avengers,"

  • for all those series.

  • So if you guys ever come up with that kind of tech, tell me,

  • please.

  • Awesome.

  • So that brings us to the end of our Talks at Google.

  • Thank you everybody for coming.

  • Thank you, Nick, for taking your precious time to share with us.

  • Thank you.

  • [APPLAUSE]

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

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