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  • >> Dana: WELCOME BACK VERY

  • POWERFUL SCENE IN A TEXAS COURT

  • ROOM.

  • A MAN HIS BROTHER WAS SHOT TO

  • DEATH BY DALLAS POLICE OFFICER

  • FOR GIVING HIS BROTHER'S KILLER

  • HER.

  • >> IF YOU TRULY ARE SORRY, I

  • KNOW I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

  • I FORGIVE YOU.

  • AND...

  • I KNOW IF YOU GO TO GOD AND ASK

  • HIM, HE WILL FORGIVE YOU.

  • AND I DON'T THINK, AGAIN, I'M

  • SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, NOT EVEN

  • FOR MY FAMILY.

  • BUT I LOVE YOU JUST LIKE ANYONE

  • ELSE.

  • AND I'M NOT GOING AS I HOPE YOU

  • ROT AND DIE, JUST LIKE MY

  • BROTHER DID.

  • I PERSONALLY WANT THE BEST FOR

  • YOU.

  • AND I WASN'T GOING TO HAVE HER

  • SAY THIS IN FRONT OF MY FAMILY

  • OR ANYONE, BUT I DON'T EVEN WANT

  • YOU TO GO TO JAIL.

  • I WANT THE BEST FOR YOU.

  • BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S EXACTLY

  • WHAT BOTHAM WOULD WANT ON THE

  • BEST WOULD BE TO GIVE YOUR LIFE

  • TO CHRIST.

  • I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING

  • ELSE.

  • I THINK GIVING YOUR LIFE TO

  • CHRIST WOULD BE THE BEST THING

  • THAT BOTHAM WOULD WANT YOU TO

  • DO.

  • AGAIN, I LOVE YOU AS A PERSON.

  • AND I DON'T WISH ANYTHING BAD ON

  • YOU.

  • I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE

  • BUT CAN I GIVE HER A HUG,

  • PLEASE?

  • >> YES.

  • >> Dana: THE JUDGE ALSO

  • HUGGING THE FORMER OFFICER,

  • AMBER GUYGER, GIVING HER A BIBLE

  • AFTER SENTENCING HER TO TEN

  • YEARS BEHIND BARS FOR KILLING A

  • NEIGHBOR, AN UNARMED BLACK MAN,

  • AND HIS OWN APARTMENT.

  • SHE SAID SHE MISTOOK IT FOR HER

  • APARTMENT AND THOUGHT SHE WAS AN

  • INTRUDER.

  • THAT'S BRING IN OUR FOX NEWS

  • CONTRIBUTOR, THEOLOGIAN AND

  • ETHICIST.

  • YOU COULD HELP US THINK ABOUT

  • THIS.

  • THE AMOUNT OF POISE AND DIGNITY

  • FROM THE 18-YEAR-OLD YOUNG MAN

  • WAS REALLY INCREDIBLE.

  • >> THE POISE AND DIGNITY CAME

  • FORTH FROM A HEART THAT HAD

  • ALREADY GIVEN UP A JUST CAUSE

  • THAT HE HAD AGAINST THIS POLICE

  • OFFICER.

  • LET ME SAY, A JUST CAUSE.

  • WE MAKE ALL SORTS OF EXCUSES AND

  • OUR PERSONAL LIVES WHY WE WON'T

  • FORGIVE SOMEBODY.

  • IT USUALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE

  • FACT THAT THE OTHER PERSON DID

  • SOMETHING WRONG, OBJECTIVELY

  • WRONG.

  • BUT FORGIVENESS IS SAYING EVEN

  • THOUGH I HAVE A JUST CAUSE

  • AGAINST YOU, I'M GOING TO GIVE

  • IT UP.

  • BECAUSE GOD IS THE ONLY ONE

  • WHO'S PERFECT.

  • DANA, AS I WAS WALKING INTO THE

  • STUDIO, A GENTLEMAN IN THE

  • PARKING LOT -- I'M HERE IN

  • PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA,

  • VISITING FAMILY AND A GENTLEMAN

  • SAID WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

  • ON TV NOW AND I SAID I'M GOING

  • TO TALK ABOUT THE STORY OF THIS

  • GUY WHO FORGAVE THE KILLER OF

  • HIS BROTHER AND HE SAID THAT'S

  • WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS RIGHT NOW.

  • THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IN THIS VERY

  • TENSE POINT IN OUR COUNTRY.

  • HE SAID DIDN'T JESUS SAY

  • SOMETHING ABOUT THAT?

  • THE BIBLE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT

  • IF YOU DON'T FORGIVE, GOD WON'T

  • FORGIVE YOU.

  • JUDGE NOT LEST YOU BE JUDGED.

  • >> Dana: I REMEMBER HEARING

  • PRESIDENT BUSH TELLING ME AT ONE

  • PRESIDENT BUSH TELLING ME AT ONP

  • PRESIDENT BUSH TELLING ME AT ONI

  • PRESIDENT BUSH TELLING ME AT ONO

  • PRESIDENT BUSH TELLING ME AT ONG

  • PRESIDENT BUSH TELLING ME AT ONV

  • PRESIDENT BUSH TELLING ME AT ONN

  • PRESIDENT BUSH TELLING ME AT ONS

  • PRESIDENT BUSH TELLING ME AT ONI

  • PRESIDENT BUSH TELLING ME AT ONS

  • SOMETHING THAT YOU DO FOR

  • YOURSELF AS WELL.

  • SO THAT YOU CAN MOVE ON.

  • HE LOST HIS BROTHER WHO HE LOVED

  • VERY MUCH.

  • TALK TO ME ABOUT THE BRAVERY OF

  • THIS YOUNG MAN WHO SAYS HE WAS

  • NEVER PLANNING TO SAY THIS IN

  • FRONT OF HIS FAMILY BUT THAT HE

  • CHOSE TO SPEAK AND WHEN YOU LIVE

  • YOUR FAITH AND YOU CHOOSE TO

  • SPEAK ABOUT IT, IT CAN OFTEN

  • FEEL A LITTLE SCARY.

  • >> YEAH, EXACTLY.

  • TO BRING BOTH OF THOSE POINTS

  • TOGETHER, DANA, WHETHER YOU DO

  • IT FOR YOURSELF, FOR SOMEBODY

  • ELSE.

  • I THINK THE CONSEQUENCE OF DOING

  • SOMETHING OUT OF LOVE IS THAT IT

  • ALSO HELPS YOU.

  • BUT IT'S LOVE THAT DRIVES THE

  • DECISION.

  • IT'S LOVE FOR THE OTHER PERSON.

  • THE RESULT IS THAT BOTH ARE

  • WINNERS.

  • SOMEBODY JUST WROTE TO ME ON

  • FACEBOOK, WHEN I POSTED THAT I

  • WAS GOING TO BE ON THIS

  • AFTERNOON AND SHE SAID MY

  • BROTHER WAS KILLED IN 2007 AND

  • I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FORGIVE

  • UNTIL NOW.

  • WATCHING THIS YOUNG MAN DO IT.

  • IT'S IT TIED TO SEE WHO WINS.

  • FIRST OF ALL, THE WOMAN WHO

  • RECEIVED FORGIVENESS, THE POLICE

  • OFFICER.

  • SECONDLY, THE GUY WHO FORGAVE.

  • WE KNOW HE'S GOING TO BE IN A

  • LOT BETTER POSITION RIGHT NOW

  • AND THIRD, IT'S ALL OF US.

  • WE ALL WIN.

  • THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOT

  • WINNING AND THE OPPOSITE OF JUST

  • HOLDING A GRUDGE, ANGER EATS

  • AWAY AT OUR SOUL.

  • OUR OWN SOUL AND THE SOUL OF OUR

  • NATION.

  • >> Dana: WHAT ABOUT THE FACT

  • THAT THIS ENTIRE TRIAL -- I

  • DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE

  • TO FOLLOW IT BUT THROUGHOUT YOU

  • HAD A LOT OF LOVE AND KINDNESS

  • WITHIN THIS COURT ROOM.

  • WITH EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDING THE

  • TERRIBLE SITUATION.

  • THE LOSS OF A LIFE, MISTAKE THAT

  • TURNED OUT TO BE SOMETHING SHE'S

  • GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND TEN YEARS

  • IN PRISON FOR.

  • THE BAILIFF WAS KIND.

  • THE JUDGE GIVES HER A BIBLE.

  • YOU'VE DONE PRISON MINISTRY IN

  • YOUR LIFE.

  • THIS ISN'T TYPICALLY HOW IT GOES

  • DOWN.

  • >> IT'S NOT IN THE DIFFERENCE IS

  • HATRED OR LOVE.

  • IT'S ANGER OR FORGIVENESS.

  • I THINK WE APPLY, EACH ONE OF US

  • IN OUR OWN LIVES AND IT'S NOT

  • ONLY ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS.

  • IT'S ACTUALLY FORGIVING WHEN I

  • HAVE A JUST CAUSE AGAINST

  • ANOTHER PERSON, FORGIVING WHEN

  • THERE'S A JUST CAUSE.

  • I THINK THAT'S THE HEART OF IT

  • ALL.

  • >> Dana: IF THAT PERSON ISN'T

  • SORRY ABOUT SOMETHING, STILL

  • FORGIVING IS THE WAY TO GO,

  • RIGHT?

  • >> JESUS SAID FOR EXAMPLE, HE

  • WAS BEING CRUCIFIED AND HE SAID

>> Dana: WELCOME BACK VERY

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