>> WE HAD A MEETING SCHEDULED.

IT WAS MY IDEA.

WHEN I HEARD VERY SIMPLY THEY

KILLED ONE OF OUR SOLDIERS, 12

OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE I SAID

THERE IS NO WAY I'M MEETINGS ON

THAT BASIS, THERE IS NO WAY OF

MEETING.

THEY'RE DEAD AS FAR AS I'M

CONCERNED.

BRIAN: THAT IS THE PRESIDENT

YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT WHY HE

CUT OFF THE CAMP DAVID TALKS

WITH THE TALIBAN AND THE SITTING

GOVERNMENT.

SITTING WITH US IS SOMEBODY THAT

HAS SEEN IT ALL, LIVED IT ALL,

FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE UNDER

GEORGE W. BUSH, AUTHOR OF THE

ECONOMICS.

BETTER WORLD, CHOICES TO END THE

COLD WAR, TO CREATE A GLOBAL

COMMONWEALTH.

I THINK WAS A ALMOST A SIMPLER

TIME, MISS SECRETARY.

>> SEEMS LIKE IT.

BRIAN: DO YOU THINK THE

PRESIDENT MADE A GOOD MOVE TO

INVITATION TO CAMP DAVID NUMBER

ONE AND CANCELING TO THE

CONFERENCE, NUMBER TWO?

>> LET ME SPEAK TO THE CANCELING

OF THE CONFERENCE.

IT WAS A GOOD DECISION.

I AM FRANKLY RELIEVED.

ALL THE SIGNS WERE THAT THE

TALIBAN WAS NOT SERIOUS ABOUT AN

AGREEMENT ACCEPTABLE TO US.

THE SIGNS WERE THEY WOULDN'T

EVEN STALK TO THE AFGHAN

GOVERNMENT, WHICH HAS BEEN OUR

PARTNER, DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED

GOVERNMENT FOR DECADE 1/2.

THEY WOULD NOT MAKE GUARANTIES

NOT HAVING TERRORISTS COME BACK

ON THEIR TERRITORY.

WE REALLY CAN'T SIGN AN

AGREEMENT THAT WILL UNDO ALL OF

THE FINES OVER THE LAST 18

YEARS.

SO I WAS RELIEVED, AS TO CAMP

DAVID I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY

CHOSEN ANOTHER VENUE,

PARTICULARLY THIS WEEK AS WE

LOOK TOMORROW TO THE ANNIVERSARY

OF 9/11.

IT IS NOT THAT CAMP DAVID IS IN

SOME SENSE SACRED IN THAT WAY.

PLO WAS PROBABLY A TERRORIST

ORGANIZATION WHEN ARAFAT WENT

THERE BUT THE TIMING WASN'T

IDEAL.

LISA: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE

PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL DIPLOMACY

APPROACH, WILLINGNESS TO SIT

DOWN WITH THE TALIBAN?

>> IF IN FACT LOOKED LIKE THERE

WAS A GOOD DEAL TO CLOSE, ALL

WARS HAVE TO END AND PRESIDENTS

HAVE TO BE END THEM.

I NEVER-MINDED THE PRESIDENT HAS

TO DO PERSONAL DIPLOMACY.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT IS

WELL-PREPARED.

WHEN YOU HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF

THE UNITED STATES TO GO IN,

SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN.

LISA: IS IT WELL-PREPARED?

>> LOOKS TO ME IF THIS ONE WAS

NOT QUITE THERE.

I KNOW HIM VERY WELL.

HE WORKED FOR ME.

HE IS A CAPABLE NEGOTIATOR.

BRIAN: BORN IN AFGHANISTAN.

>> BORN IN AFGHANISTAN.

KNOWS THE CULTURE, BUT SEEMS TO

ME HAD KIND OF IMPOSSIBLE TASK

AT THIS POINT TO TRY TO FIND AN

AGREEMENT THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO

US.

THE TALIBAN I ALSO THINK HAD

BEGUN TO THINK WE WANTED AN

AGREEMENT MORE THAN THEY DID

BECAUSE OF ALL THAT HAS BEEN

SAID, NOT JUST IN THIS

ADMINISTRATION ABOUT PULLING OUT

TROOPS, REMEMBER THE PULLING OUT

TROOPS GOES BACK TO THE OBAMA

ADMINISTRATION AND SO THEY HAVE

KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME AMERICA

WANTS TO END THIS WAR.

I THINK THEY THOUGHT WE WOULD

END IT ON ANY TERMS.

STEVE: ABSOLUTELY.

THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

RIGHT NOW.

YOU IN YOUR NEW BOOK, TO BUILD A

BETTER WORLD, LOOK BACK AT THE

COLD WAR, THE LAST 40 YEARS OF,

WHAT IS THE MAIN TAKEAWAY FOR

YOU IN DESCRIBING WHAT YOU HAVE

TAB KELED HERE?

>> THE MAIN TAKEAWAY IS ONE I

THINK RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE

LOOKING AT IN AFGHANISTAN.

IN ORDER TO BRING THAT BETTER

WORLD ABOUT IN 1989, '90s, 91,

GERMANY WILL BE UNIFIED 30 YEARS

NEXT YEAR.

WE HAD TO BE PATIENT, RESILIENT.

THEY STAYED IN EUROPE FROM 1945,

FOR 45 YEARS UNTIL GERMANY WAS

UNIFIED.

WE HAVE BEEN IN KOREA SINCE 1953

TO MAKE SURE THAT KOREA AND THE

KOREAN PENINSULA STAYS PEACEFUL.

I THINK THE REAL LESSON OF THIS

BOOK YOU CAN HAVE GREAT

DIPLOMACY WHICH WE DID AT THE

END OF COLD WAR WITH

GEORGE H.W. BUSH AND BRENT

SCOWCROFT AND JIM BAKER HELMUT

KOHL.

>> AND THE GERMANS WHICH WERE SO

EXTRAORDINARY.

IT WAS A BASIS OF FRIENDSHIP,

ALLIANCE, 45 YEARS AND AMERICAN

STEADFASTNESS, WILLING TO STAY

THE COURSE UNTIL THE TERMS WERE

RIGHT.

THAT'S A LESSON FOR ANY DIPLOMAT