STEVE: JOINING US LIVE HERE IN

NEW YORK CITY, BEN SHAPIRO

EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF THE DAILY

WIRE.

HOST OF THE BEN SHAPIRO PODCAST,

WILDLY SUCCESSFUL.

YOU ARE IN TOWN ROASTED BY

COMMENTARY MAGAZINE.

>> THAT IS A BLAST.

USED TO RECEIVING A LOT OF HATE

IN PERSON.

STEVE: ONE PARTICULAR LINE THAT

STOOD OUT?

AINSLEY: MADE YOU MAD?

>> FROM SOMEBODY ROASTING YOU OR

YOU AS A ROASTEE.

>> DANA PERINO KEPT CALLING ME

SHORT.

I FOUND THAT DISTURBING.

SHE IS TINY PERSSON.

BRIAN: DOESN'T HAVE THAT

AABRASIVE PART OF THAT

PERSONALITY.

>> I WAS SHOCKED BY THE CRUELTY

OF DANA PERINO.

AINSLEY: YOU ROASTED BACK.

>> YEAH.

JASPER CAME IN FOR A COUPLE.

STEVE: THAT IS HADDER DOG.

COMMENTARY MAGAZINE FROM THE

"NEW YORK TIMES," WHAT DO YOU

MAKE OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES"

BEING CAUGHT, NOT ONLY

APOLOGIZING FOR INAPPROPRIATE

TWEET, THEN AN EDITORIAL NOTE

FIXED ON THIS NEWS ANALYSIS,

THAT SAID, ESSENTIALLY, YEAH,

YOU KNOW WHAT?

WE LEFT OUT THE FACT THAT THE

WOMAN DOES NOT REMEMBER THE

STORY?

>> I WOULD SAY IT IS

UNBELIEVABLE EXCEPT IT IS

INSANELY BELIEVABLE.

EVERY TIME "THE NEW YORK TIMES"

MAKES A MISTAKE, DIRECTION OF

SOMEBODY ON THE RIGHT GETTING

CLOCKED.

THAT IS PARTICULARLY TRUE IN THE

KAVANAUGH STORY.

THERE IS MUCH BIGGER STORY IN

THE BOOK NOT REPORTED BY TIMES,

THAT LELAND KAISER, BEST FRIEND

OF CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD DIDN'T

BELIEVE FORD'S STORY AND

PRESSURED BY THE ALLIES TO

CHANGE HER STORY.

THEY BURIED THIS PARTICULAR

STORY IN THE NEWS ANALYSIS

SECTION SO THEY DIDN'T RUN IT

THROUGH THE NEWS SECTION.

THEY REMOVED THE LINE THAT SAID

THE ALLEGED VICTIM DIDN'T

REMEMBER THE INCIDENT IN

QUESTION, THEN REPLACED LATER.

THAT IS NOT JUST BAD JOURNALISM.

THAT IS BOTCHING, THAT IS

PURPOSEFUL.

BRIAN: SEE THEM TRY TO EXPLAIN

THEMSELVES OUT OF THIS.

THE TWO WRITERS OF THE BOOK

TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEY WROTE FOR

THE OPINION SECTION OF THE

NEWSPAPER AND THEN HOW IT WAS HE

EDITED OUT.

SEE IF YOU BUY THIS.

>> THERE WAS NO DIRE TO WITHHOLD

IMPORTANT INFORMATION FROM OUR

READERS.

WE HAVE IT ALL IN THE BOOK.

DURING THE EDITING PROS SETS WAS

KEY OVERSIGHT, THE WOMAN HERSELF

DOESN'T REMEMBER IT AND NOT

WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT, GOT

CUT.

IT WAS OVERSIGHT.

>> WE'RE A TEAM AT

"THE NEW YORK TIMES."

WE HAVE PROCESSES IN PLACE.

>> I THINK ACTUALLY THE WAY IT

HAPPENED WAS THE EDITORS BEING

CONCERNED ABOUT NAMING HER IN

THAT SENTENCE, HAD HER NAME.

ALSO HAD SHE DOESN'T REMEMBER

IT.

WE ALSO TOOK OUT THE FACT THAT

SHE DIDN'T REMEMBER IT.

AINSLEY: IS THERE A VICTIM?

>> SHE DOESN'T REMEMBER IT.

>> THERE IS NO STORY HERE.

THIS PROMPTED HE HAD TOLLS FROM

"THE NEW YORK TIMES,"

"WASHINGTON POST," HOW THE FBI

WAS ENGAGED IN A SHAM

INVESTIGATION.

THEY ARE NOT INVESTIGATING A

ALLEGATION WITH NO ALLEGED

VICTIM?

IT IS INSANITY.

BRIAN: DO YOU BELIEVE THE

EXPLANATION?

>> OF COURSE I DON'T BUY THE

EXPLANATION.

HOW IS IT OVERSIGHT YOU DON'T

REMOVE THE NAME, YOU REMOVE THE

KEY DETAIL OF THE ENTIRE STORY.

THAT IS THE CENTER OF THE STORY.

STEVE: THE CENTER OF THE STORY

WAS FROM A MAN WHO USED TO BE A

ATTORNEY FOR BILL CLINTON.

STEVE: DURING IMPEACHMENT.

>> HE WOULD NOT SPEAK TO THE

AUTHORS OF THE BOOK EITHER.

AND ONLY SPOKE THROUGH TWO OTHER

PEOPLE WHO WERE OFFICIALS WHO WE

DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

BRIAN: YOU MEAN THE NON-PARTISAN

ATTORNEY?

THAT IS WHAT THEY WROTE.

STEVE: NON-PROFIT OR SOMETHING.

>> EXACTLY THE WHOLE THING IS

ABSURD.

THEY IGNORED THE REAL STORY.

THAT IS THE "NEW YORK TIMES"

AND.

BRIAN: WHAT ABOUT EVERY

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE THAT

IMMEDIATELY CALLED FOR KAVANAUGH

TO BE IMPEACHED ON A STORY THAT

HAD NO SUBSTANCE?

>> YOU MEAN DEMOCRATS DON'T CARE

ABOUT DUE PROCESS?

AGAIN, ALWAYS BRETT KAVANAUGH?

MAKE HIM THE FACE, WE DON'T CARE

ABOUT DUE PROCESS.

EVERY TIME THEY SAY THEY DON'T

CARE ABOUT DUE PROCESS, THEY

SHOULD FLASH HIS PICTURE.

AINSLEY: WHAT ABOUT BIDEN AND

HIS LATEST BLUNDER.

HE WILL PUT 720 MILLION WOMEN

BACK IN THE WORKFORCE.

PROBLEM IS THERE ARE ONLY 330

AMERICANS.

LISTEN TO THIS.

>> YOU GET A TAX BREAK FOR A

RACEHORSE, WHY IN GOD'S NAME

WOULD WE PROVIDE 8,000-DOLLAR

TAX CREDIT FOR EVERYBODY WHO HAS

CHILD CARE COSTS.

IT WOULD PUT, IT WOULD PUT

720 MILLION, MILLION WOMEN BACK

IN THE WORKFORCE.

IT WOULD INCREASE THE GDP TO

SOUND LIKE WONK LEAR BY .8 OF

1%.

IT WOULD GROW THE ECONOMY.

BRIAN: NEVER SOUNDS LIKE A WONK

IN DEFENSE OF JOE BIDEN.

WHAT ABOUT THE NUMB?

HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THE

NUMBERS?

YOU'RE VERY GOOD AT MATH.

>> I'M VERY SURE THAT DOESN'T

ADD UP.

HE IS STUMBLING INTO OBJECTS.

JUST SEARCHING FOR EARLY BIRD

DINNER AT DENNY'S, DRINKING CANS

OF ENSURE ON ROUTINE BASIS, THAT

IS BAKED IN THE CAKE.

I TAKE PERSPECTIVE IN THE

GENERAL ELECTION MIGHT NOT BE

BAD TO LOOK SENILE, OLD,

INEFFECTUAL, HONESTLY HE DOESN'T

LOOK DANGEROUS.

IF YOU'RE TRYING TO RUN SOMEBODY

AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP YOU

DON'T WANT TO SCARE THE AMERICAN

POPULATION, JOE BIDEN IS THE

BASE OF NOT SCARY WHAT IS SCARY

OF A MAN WALKING AROUND WITH

TENNIS BALLS ON HIS --

STEVE: WARREN IS SECOND OR THIRD

PLACE.

SHE IS DOING BETTER.

NUDGING PAST BERNIE.

IF SHE PICKS UP REST OF BERNIE

SANDERS SUPPORT.

ELIZABETH WARREN WILL REMAIN SHE

HAS NO BLACK SUPPORT.

THE FACT JOE BIDEN RETAINS AN

ENORMOUS SHARE OF BLACK SUPPORT.

HE WAS VICE PRESIDENT TO

BARACK OBAMA.

ELIZABETH WARREN IS WHITER THAN

I AM BY A LARGE STRETCH AND IDEA

THAT SHE WILL START PICKING UP

BLACK SUPPORT FROM JOE BIDEN IN

THE ABSENCE OF BIDEN HAVING FALL

INTO THE VAN LIKE HILLARY

CLINTON MOMENT I --

BRIAN: SHE HAS ALMOST NO

MIDWESTERN SUPPORT.

THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY DOES

NOT LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN.

A DEMOCRAT I TALK TO ON MONDAY,

IF SHE GETS NOMINATION,

DONALD TRUMP HAS FOUR MORE

YEARS.

>> A LOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE

WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT JOE BIDEN

IS OLDER THAN METHUSLAH.

AINSLEY: I'M PICTURING, CUTTING

X'S IN 10 BUSINESS BALLS AND

METHUSALAH.

>> YOU THINK JOE BIDEN IS ONLY

DEMOCRAT WINNING?

>> I DON'T THINK HE HAS AT SHOT

WIN BUT HE HAS THE BEST SHOT.

HE IS THE DEFAULT DEMOCRAT

BECAUSE HE BASICALLY IS THE BODY

OF WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S.

ALL YOU DO WALK HIM AROUND.

BRIAN: ALL THE POLLS SAY HE IS

NOT WINNING AGAINST ANY DEMOCRAT

THAT RAN FOR OFFICE EVER?

>> HE MAY NOT WIN THE PRIMARIES.

THAT MAKES HIM APPEALING IN THE

GENERAL ELECTION MAKES HIM

VULNERABLE IN THE PRIMARIES.

BRIAN: DID YOU ENJOY THE

APPEARANCE HERE?