POLICE UNION CHARITY.

OUR DEMOCRATS BUILDING -- OR

WILL IT BACKFIRE?

FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR KARL ROVE

FOR MORE.

THANKS FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

>> THANKS, SHANNON.

>> Shannon: IF YOU HEARD

SENATOR MIKE LEE JUST A COUPLE

OF MINUTES AGO BLATANTLY

SHOOTING DOWN, MAKING NO

PRETENSE ABOUT IT THAT AS FAR AS

YOU CAN TELL THERE IS NO TALK OF

G.O.P. SENATORS COMING TOGETHER

TO GANG UP AND VOTE OUT THE

PRESIDENT SHOULD THE HOUSE

IMPEACHED HIM AND SEND IT OVER

TO THEM FOR A TRIAL.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT

CHATTER?

DO YOU THINK THERE'S NOTHING TO

IT?

>> I THINK IT MAY BE A DESPERATE

DESIRE ON THE PART OF SOME

DEMOCRATS AND COMMENTATORS TO

SEE IT HAPPEN, BUT I'VE BEEN

TALKING TO MEMBERS OF THE SENATE

AND I SEE ZERO CHANCE KNOWING

WHAT WE KNOW TODAY THAT THE

SENATE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO

PROVIDE 20 VOTES TO IMPEACH AND

REMOVE THE PRESIDENT FROM

OFFICE.

I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED ON THE

FINAL SENATE VOTE IF THERE

WEREN'T AS MANY DEMOCRATS OR

MORE DEMOCRATS VOTING IN SUPPORT

OF KEEPING THE PRESIDENT IN

OFFICE THAN THERE ARE VOTES TO

REMOVE IT.

>> Shannon: A LOT OF STEPS

BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THAT

SCENARIO.

IN THE MEANTIME, GOING OUT AND

TARGETING AND CAMPAIGNING IN

THESE PLACES WHERE SWING

DISTRICTS WHERE DEMOCRATS WON,

SEATS FORMERLY HELD BY

REPUBLICANS, THEY SAY THAT THE

WHITE HOUSE WANTS TO MAKE

VULNERABLE HOUSE DEMOCRATS PAY

FOR IMPEACHMENT.

DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS POINT

OUT, SUCCESSFULLY PROSECUTED A

SIMILAR CASE DURING HOUSE

G.O.P.-LED IMPEACHMENT OF

BILL CLINTON.

IT REPUBLICANS SUFFERED A NET

MIDTERM ELECTION, LOSING FIVE

CONGRESSIONAL SEATS.

WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE,

TWO OR THREE DOZEN PEOPLE WHO

ARE IN THIS PLACE.

HOW TOUGH A SPOT ARE THEY IN AS

THE SPEAKER MOVES FORWARD WITH

TALKS OF IMPEACHMENT?

>> THERE ARE 43 DEMOCRATS WHO

TODAY HOLD SEATS PREVIOUSLY HELD

BY REPUBLICANS.

31 OF THEM ARE IN DISTRICTS THAT

DONALD TRUMP CARRIED.

19 OF THEM IN DISTRICTS HE

CARRIED BY FOUR POINTS OR MORE.

IT'S NOT AN ACCIDENT THAT TEN OF

THOSE 19 DEMOCRATS IN THE MORE

HEAVILY TRUMPED DISTRICTS HAVE

YET TO ENDORSE THE INQUIRY.

THIS IS A USEFUL THING TO DO,

BUT REALLY WHAT IT ULTIMATELY

WILL MATTER IS HOW THIS ISSUE

GETS RESOLVED.

IT REPUBLICANS GET A LOT OF

TRACTION IN THE EARLY PART OF

IMPEACHMENT.

IT WAS WHEN THE ISSUE BASICALLY

HAVE BEEN PRETTY WELL

SUBSTANTIALLY RESOLVED.

BUT MIKE PENCE IS THE RIGHT

MESSENGER BECAUSE THE RIGHT

MESSAGE IN THESE DISTRICTS IS

ONE THAT'S NOT ANGRY AND HARSH,

BUT ONE THAT IS SORROWFUL AND

SORT OF SHAKING THEIR HEAD AT

ONE OF THE DEMOCRATS DOING TO

OUR COUNTRY AND MIKE PENCE IS

GOING TO BE PARTICULARLY I THINK

EFFECTIVE IN DELIVERING THAT

MESSAGE.

>> Shannon: DEMOCRATS OF

COURSE ARE HOPING NOT.

A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE

DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CAMPAIGN

COMMITTEE SAYS THIS.

"AT EVERY STOP MICE THAT MIGHT

VICE PRESIDENT PANS MAKES YOU

WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR HIS

GROWING ROLE IN ANY CANDIDATE

THAT IS STILL WILLING TO APPEAR

PUBLICLY WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT

PRINCIPAL MADE IT CLEAR THAT

THEY ACCEPT THE WHOLESALE

EAGERNESS TO BETRAY THE OFFICE

OF THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT.

YOUR RESPONSE?

>> LOOK, THIS IS KIND OF

OVER-THE-TOP RHETORIC THAT IS

GOING TO BLOW UP IN HER FACE.

THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO DO

WHAT?

BETRAY THE COUNTRY?

AS I RECALL WHAT THIS HAD TO DO

WITH, HE SAID WOULD YOU LOOK

INTO THE ISSUE OF THE SERVER --

WOULD YOU ALLOW MY GUYS, MEANING

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE

UNITED STATES AND THE VERY

RESPECTED INDEPENDENT

PROSECUTOR, U.S. ATTORNEY FROM

CONNECTICUT, JOHN DURHAM, TO

LOOK AT THE SERVER THAT THE

UKRAINIANS THAT WAS IN UKRAINE

THAT MAY HAVE BEEN USED BY THE

RUSSIANS TO STEAL

HILLARY CLINTON'S EMAILS.

AND WHAT YOU LOOK INTO THIS

FIGHT AND THINK YOU MIGHT DO

DEMOCRATS REALLY SAY THAT IT IS

A BETRAYAL OF OUR COUNTRY TO

RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR

NOT JOE BIDEN WAS AWARE OF THE

APPARENT CONFLICT OF INTEREST

THAT EXISTED WHEN HE WENT TO

UKRAINE AND LECTURED THEM ON

CORRUPTION WHEN HIS SON WAS

SERVING ON THE BOARD OF A

SUSPECT STINKY --

>> Shannon: YOU KNOW WHAT THEY

SAY, THAT'S COMPLETELY DEBUNKED

AND THERE IS NO MERIT TO IT.

>> WAIT A MINUTE.

IT'S NOT DEBUNKED.

WE KNOW FOR A FACT CERTAIN THAT

HE WAS ON THE BOARD OF A COMPANY

THAT WAS STINKY AND WE KNOW THAT

THAT COMPANY WAS A SOURCE OF

CONCERN TO THE UKRAINIANS AND

THE ONLY REASON THEY HIRED

JOE BIDEN AND DEVON ARCHER --

EXCUSE ME, JOE BIDEN'S SON AND

DEVON ARCHER, A CLOSE COMPATRIOT

OF THE THEN SECRETARY OF STATE

JOHN KERRY, WAS SO THE NATURAL

GAS COMPANY SO THAT THEY HAD

JUICE WITH WASHINGTON, D.C.

WHAT BETTER WAY TO PROTECT

YOURSELF AND TO GET A GUIDE WAS

A LONGTIME CONFIDANT OF THE

SECRETARY OF STATE AND THE SON

OF THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE

UNITED STATES?

NEITHER OF WHOM HAD EXPERIENCE

IN UKRAINE, NEITHER OF THEM KNEW

ANYTHING ABOUT THE NATURAL GAS

BUSINESS.

I USED TO SPEND TIME IN THE

FORMER SOVIET UNION, I WAS IN

THE BOARD FOR INTERNATIONAL

BROADCASTING THAT OVERSAW RADIO

FREE EUROPE AND RADIO LIBERTY

AND IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE FALL

OF THE IRON CURTAIN, THIS IS

WHAT PEOPLE IN CENTRAL EUROPE

AND RUSSIA DID IN ORDER TO

PROTECT THEMSELVES.

THEY HIRED AMERICANS TO BE IN

VERY VISIBLE POSITIONS, JUST

LIKE PAUL MANAFORT WAS HIRED BY

SOME OF THE UKRAINIAN OLIGARCHS,

PUTIN'S MAN IN UKRAINE.

SO WE KNOW THIS.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE

BEEN ALLEGED THAT ARE NOT TRUE,

BUT WE DO KNOW FOR A FACT

CERTAIN THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT

OF THE UNITED STATES WENT OVER

THERE TO LECTURE UKRAINIANS ON

CORRUPTION WHILE HIS SON WAS ON

THE BOARD OF A COMPANY THAT WAS

SUSPECT.

>> Shannon: THERE ARE A

HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN

DIGGING INTO THIS AND IT SEEMS

LIKE A COUPLE OF OTHERS ARE

WAKING UP AND GETTING INTERESTED